Paisley USA Custom Shop Masterbuilt Telecaster! - Page 2

mjb1967 · June 19th, 2008, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by TerryOz

Here are some pics of a lightly reliced one...They look pretty good to me, I just need to know that it is in fact the exact same pattern as indicated
Thanks
Terry

i usually don't care for paisleys, but that is just way too cool......what kind of price range if I can intrude?

TerryOz · June 19th, 2008, 04:04 AM

They have a list price of $6600 for the '68 Masterbuilt Paisley Telecaster and matching Pro Junior Amplifier set...I see that the website isn't offering them as an option as we speak, bet the dealer I have been talking to has a couple on order which are a couple of months away from delivery...
Terry

Elliot Easton · June 19th, 2008, 04:50 AM

Does it really look that different to anybody than the CIJs?

Elliot Easton · June 19th, 2008, 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by TerryOz

considered a bit of a "luxury", but it's up to their wives to hassle them about that...I thought that this is where we come not to be hassled about our reason for buying guitars...
Just my Two Cents Worth!

Thanks
Terry

I couldn't agree more, Terry. If one can afford something and they choose to buy it, then it's nobodys place to question their motives. Live and let live; this should be a haven for discussing and celebrating the greatest solidbody electric ever, not a place where you need to hear from substitute mom or another wife! Who cares if you have an original and still want one of these? One thing has nothing to do with the other. There's no quota of how many Teles one can own. There are guys here with a dozen black guard butterscotches or a pile of sparkle Teles. So, who's business is that? Check out the Les Paul forum sometime. There are guys with a whole pile of essentially the same guitar. More power to 'em. It's your money and you spend it in any way you see fit.

Elliot Easton · June 19th, 2008, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by TerryOz

Thanks Buckocaster...I have seen them clean, where the pink is strong all over and you are right, Barbie Pink is a good way to describe it, although nicely graded from he edge like a burst outer edge
Terry

I could be wrong but doesn't the paint on the rims of the Japanese reissue have more of a pearlescent quality than the originals?

Elliot Easton · June 19th, 2008, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by e-merlin

You are 100% right about that, no doubt about it. If Fender is saying it's the original stuff. Which brings us to another question. Is Fender saying it's the original stuff or is the dealer saying that Fender is saying it's the original stuff. Big difference.

It would be easy enough to simply call Dennis and ask him. I have 3 guitars built by him-he's a great guy, very approachable, and a great builder to boot!

djinn1973 · June 19th, 2008, 05:20 AM

Its fabric or wall paper?
I know this is kind of a silly question but we don't know one upholsterer between us? Or is finding this stuff going to turn in to one of those "Found it in the trunk of an old car in a barn" type of things?

TDPRI · June 19th, 2008, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Elliot Easton

Does it really look that different to anybody than the CIJs?

Hey Elliot, it sure looks MUCH different to me than the MIJs, but if you go back one page and see my Crook Tele next to an MIJ you can see that the Crook isn't all that much different than this Masterbuilt.

I got just a body from Crook, and then attempted to buy all '68 or '69 parts to complete it. I got a '69 bridge, '66 controls and electronics, '68 pickups and... unfortunately at '73 neck (sold as a '69 on Ebay, which is why I say attempted). But it's pretty darn close to a '69 Paisley if you ask me.

Here it is:

The main difference I see is how much green there is in the Masterbuilt compared to the Crook. The green is much more subdued on mine. I think the shade of pink is better, compared to the MIJ, on the Crook and the background is golden or tan on the crook, but it's not textured like the original.

jwells393 · June 19th, 2008, 10:54 AM

I have one of the CIJ models built around 2000. I must say the new CIJ models look a lot better than mine. Mine has way too much overspray of the pink on the edges. Perhaps the painter had a hangover when he painted mine.

I realize lighting and camera angle can affect colors in pictures ....... especially with metallics, but the Masterbuilt Paisleys I've seen pictures of seem to have a darker paint than the CIJ models. Here are some Internet pictures I found.

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On another note, The websites that have the Masterbuilt model are calling it a '68 Paisley. They're probably parroting what Fender told them. Perhaps Fender should read some of their own history. I don't believe they were doing one piece skunk stripe necks in '68. Those were re-introduced in '69.

The CIJ models use Gotoh Kluson style tuners. The Custom Shop models use period correct "F" Tuners. I think the "F" tuners have a slightly different hole spacing. I think Fender Japan uses the Kluson style so they can drill all their necks the same.

FredDairy · June 19th, 2008, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jwells393

I have one of the CIJ models built around 2000. I must say the new CIJ models look a lot better than mine. Mine has way too much overspray of the pink on the edges. Perhaps the painter had a hangover when he painted mine.

I realize lighting and camera angle can affect colors in pictures ....... especially with metallics, but the Masterbuilt Paisleys I've seen pictures of seem to have a darker paint than the CIJ models. Here are some Internet pictures I found.

......

On another note, The websites that have the Masterbuilt model are calling it a '68 Paisley. They're probably parroting what Fender told them. Perhaps Fender should read some of their own history. I don't believe they were doing one piece skunk stripe necks in '68. Those were re-introduced in '69.

The CIJ models use Gotoh Kluson style tuners. The Custom Shop models use period correct "F" Tuners. I think the "F" tuners have a slightly different hole spacing. I think Fender Japan uses the Kluson style so they can drill all their necks the same.

Is that a CIJ on the left? I have to say I realize the CIJ paisley is different than the masterbuilt's paisley but the difference is so slight! One has a more silver background and that's about it! When it comes down to it you're going to get the same crowd reaction with both guitars.

UhillTele · June 19th, 2008, 11:24 AM

Well, I'm not sure what's going on here - but I don't think anyone will find the Original manufacture - as Not even fender has the name of the Company. Next The company went out of business in the late 80's early 90's some time and all the parts were sold off. I know almost everything there is to know about the history in this. There may be some old inventory left but it's held by someone who doesn't even know that they have it, as I've contacted everyone that the original company sold dead inventory to, and no one had it.

Apparently the main problem you all see with the repro-s are color and texture. remember now though that Laquer fades, and yes they used lacquer on the originals - NOT Poly. But there was some poly finish on them to seal the color - but urethane will fade as well. Old Car finishes used to fade all the time, and red was the number one offender.

Apparently fender's main problem with they're reproduction is the background appears to be a gold foil - very similar to the Japanese repos, but it's gold. They've tweeked the colors a bit, but it's still wrong.

i can't really speak to anyone else out there selling a reproduction - I'm not allowed.

Trimac20 · June 19th, 2008, 11:32 AM

I wish they did something like that with the Blue Flower Tele - seeing as I missed getting one off ebay for $500 (lefty too) - alas, not all of us lefties are as priviledged as Elliott, so it'll be a long wait. Wonder if Fender got both wallpapers from the same supplier?

UhillTele · June 19th, 2008, 11:35 AM

http://www.musicgalleryinc.com/publi...0/DSC_0013.JPG

http://www.crookcustomguitars.com/images/new1.jpg

i'm not sure if all these images will help - But if you google, "Fender Custom Shop Pink Paisley" this website comes up, and you can clearly see it's just a gold tinted version of the Japanese print - not the real backed paper -
http://www.musicgalleryinc.com/publi...ele_R36300.htm

I think anyone interested in checking out a paisley should First and Foremost just find one you think you like, and try it on and see if you like it - no guitar is ever going to be perfect (if you're like me)..... Just like buying a new pair of shoes, except a lot more money, but if you've got it to spend, spend it up.

FredDairy · June 19th, 2008, 11:54 AM

What would happen if one put a coat of lacquer on top of a CIJ? Wouldn't the lacquer eventually age and turn yellow on top of the poly?

mojocasterman · June 19th, 2008, 12:02 PM

To the OP: I don't know if they use the same stuff or not. Couldn't find anything final to prove one way or the other. The pics you posted w/ the amp and the guitar, sure are gorgeous! But I understand where you are coming from and I agree with you 100% that if they advertise it as being the same exact roll, then it has to be a perfect match.

Since Paul posted his Crook, I figured I'd post mine as well... though she's not pink:

jwells393 · June 19th, 2008, 12:08 PM

UhillTele........... you photos aren't showing up. To post PhotoBucket photos in this forum, left click the IMG line below the PhotoBucket thumbnail. When you see the yellow "Copied" indicator, paste into the text area.

Mojocasterman .......... It's clear Mr. Crook has copied the original paisley pattern but it doesn't appear he's had it printed on a metalilc background. I first noticed this some time ago looking at a Blue Flower Crook. Can you verify that yours is not on a metallic background.

mojocasterman · June 19th, 2008, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jwells393

UhillTele........... you photos aren't showing up. To post PhotoBucket photos in this forum, left click the IMG line below the PhotoBucket thumbnail. When you see the yellow "Copied" indicator, paste into the text area.

Mojocasterman .......... It's clear Mr. Crook has copied the original paisley pattern but it doesn't appear he's had it printed on a metalilc background. I first noticed this some time ago looking at a Blue Flower Crook. Can you verify that yours is not on a metallic background.

To my knowledge, Bill offers both the metallic and the non-metallic finishes, though I may be wrong on that. Mine is definitely NOT metallic.

jwells393 · June 19th, 2008, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by miketoe

The Underhill material is clearly fake

I think that's a little strong and a bit premature. Looking at the sample picture you posted from the Underhill website it appears it has the same background texture as the closeup picture or TerryOz's original.

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Originally Posted by once again .. miketoe

Whereas the Underhill knockoff is just a direct print onto vinyl wallpaper, that's not even reflective!

That picture was clearly taken outside in the shade. How can you say it's not reflective.

......and besides ........... Underhill has never said that his is the original paper ......... so how can it be fake. It's fair to call it a reproduction but a fake .......I don't think so. Overpriced .......... definitely.

UhillTele · June 19th, 2008, 04:30 PM

i hope these pictures show up there - I love how everyone is an expert here. I'm not sure this material could be a fake? it came from the Original mFG....

UhillTele · June 19th, 2008, 04:37 PM

it's funny though too, how everyone knows how much work goes into making one of these guitars..... what's also funny is that there are people out there willing to pay $6600 for a Fender Custom Shop - when Crooks are in the $3000 range, and are way nicer....

UhillTele · June 19th, 2008, 04:41 PM

I also have more shots of an actual 1968 Closet Classic - no metallic backing what so ever, the metallic backing is just an illusion of sorts. it's the finishing that brings this out.... just another quick thought

FredDairy · June 19th, 2008, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by UhillTele

it's funny though too, how everyone knows how much work goes into making one of these guitars..... what's also funny is that there are people out there willing to pay $6600 for a Fender Custom Shop - when Crooks are in the $3000 range, and are way nicer....

Uhilltele, the funny thing to me is how much we all obsess over having a "correct" paisley. When in the end I think it doesn't matter because whether you're playing a CIJ reissue, an original, or a Crook.... to the average Joe in the crowd it's going to look like a pink guitar.

Wow the Crooks are 3 grand?! I'm not claiming to know how much work goes into those and I'm sure he's not ripping anyone off but I'd have trouble taking something like that out to bars.

June 19th, 2008, 04:04 AM	#42 (permalink)
TerryOz Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: South Australia Age: 54 Posts: 125	'68 Paisley Tele Pro Junior Set They have a list price of $6600 for the '68 Masterbuilt Paisley Telecaster and matching Pro Junior Amplifier set...I see that the website isn't offering them as an option as we speak, bet the dealer I have been talking to has a couple on order which are a couple of months away from delivery... Terry __________________ *Tele-Contented*

June 19th, 2008, 04:50 AM	#43 (permalink)
Elliot Easton Tele-Meister Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 431	Does it really look that different to anybody than the CIJs? __________________ *It's impossible to tell lies on a Telecaster!*

June 19th, 2008, 05:20 AM	#47 (permalink)
djinn1973 Tele-Meister Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Dixon, California Age: 35 Posts: 385	Its fabric or wall paper? I know this is kind of a silly question but we don't know one upholsterer between us? Or is finding this stuff going to turn in to one of those "Found it in the trunk of an old car in a barn" type of things? __________________ I wonder if there will be cake?

June 19th, 2008, 10:54 AM	#49 (permalink)
jwells393 Doctor of Teleocity Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Albuquerque, USA Age: 64 Posts: 12,242 101 Photos	I have one of the CIJ models built around 2000. I must say the new CIJ models look a lot better than mine. Mine has way too much overspray of the pink on the edges. Perhaps the painter had a hangover when he painted mine. I realize lighting and camera angle can affect colors in pictures ....... especially with metallics, but the Masterbuilt Paisleys I've seen pictures of seem to have a darker paint than the CIJ models. Here are some Internet pictures I found. ...... On another note, The websites that have the Masterbuilt model are calling it a '68 Paisley. They're probably parroting what Fender told them. Perhaps Fender should read some of their own history. I don't believe they were doing one piece skunk stripe necks in '68. Those were re-introduced in '69. The CIJ models use Gotoh Kluson style tuners. The Custom Shop models use period correct "F" Tuners. I think the "F" tuners have a slightly different hole spacing. I think Fender Japan uses the Kluson style so they can drill all their necks the same. __________________ Jack's Disclaimer: When I say something.... always ask yourself ..... "What the hell does he know?" _ Guys - learn to disable the flash on your digital cameras.

June 19th, 2008, 11:35 AM	#53 (permalink)
UhillTele NEW MEMBER! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 8	http://www.musicgalleryinc.com/publi...0/DSC_0013.JPG http://www.crookcustomguitars.com/images/new1.jpg i'm not sure if all these images will help - But if you google, "Fender Custom Shop Pink Paisley" this website comes up, and you can clearly see it's just a gold tinted version of the Japanese print - not the real backed paper - http://www.musicgalleryinc.com/publi...ele_R36300.htm I think anyone interested in checking out a paisley should First and Foremost just find one you think you like, and try it on and see if you like it - no guitar is ever going to be perfect (if you're like me)..... Just like buying a new pair of shoes, except a lot more money, but if you've got it to spend, spend it up. Last edited by TDPRI; June 20th, 2008 at 10:50 AM.

June 19th, 2008, 11:24 AM	#51 (permalink)
UhillTele NEW MEMBER! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 8	Well, I'm not sure what's going on here - but I don't think anyone will find the Original manufacture - as Not even fender has the name of the Company. Next The company went out of business in the late 80's early 90's some time and all the parts were sold off. I know almost everything there is to know about the history in this. There may be some old inventory left but it's held by someone who doesn't even know that they have it, as I've contacted everyone that the original company sold dead inventory to, and no one had it. Apparently the main problem you all see with the repro-s are color and texture. remember now though that Laquer fades, and yes they used lacquer on the originals - NOT Poly. But there was some poly finish on them to seal the color - but urethane will fade as well. Old Car finishes used to fade all the time, and red was the number one offender. Apparently fender's main problem with they're reproduction is the background appears to be a gold foil - very similar to the Japanese repos, but it's gold. They've tweeked the colors a bit, but it's still wrong. i can't really speak to anyone else out there selling a reproduction - I'm not allowed.

June 19th, 2008, 11:32 AM	#52 (permalink)
Trimac20 Tele-Meister Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Perth, WA, Australia Age: 22 Posts: 238	I wish they did something like that with the Blue Flower Tele - seeing as I missed getting one off ebay for $500 (lefty too) - alas, not all of us lefties are as priviledged as Elliott, so it'll be a long wait. Wonder if Fender got both wallpapers from the same supplier?

June 19th, 2008, 11:54 AM	#54 (permalink)
FredDairy Tele-Holic Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: chicago Posts: 708	What would happen if one put a coat of lacquer on top of a CIJ? Wouldn't the lacquer eventually age and turn yellow on top of the poly? __________________ The Stacks The Reluctant Aquanauts Last edited by TDPRI; June 20th, 2008 at 10:51 AM.

June 19th, 2008, 12:02 PM	#55 (permalink)
mojocasterman Friend of Leo's Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 4,279	To the OP: I don't know if they use the same stuff or not. Couldn't find anything final to prove one way or the other. The pics you posted w/ the amp and the guitar, sure are gorgeous! But I understand where you are coming from and I agree with you 100% that if they advertise it as being the same exact roll, then it has to be a perfect match. Since Paul posted his Crook, I figured I'd post mine as well... though she's not pink: __________________ Lentz HSL - McNaught SC Jr - Tom Anderson Cobra w/ 3 P90s - Crook Custom Tele w/ Lollar & TV Jones - Trussart Deluxe Steelcaster - Vinetto Legato - Grosh Bent Top S - SRV Strat - Ovation Elite T - Dr. Z. Carmen Ghia & Mini Z - Fender Tweed Blues Junior.

June 19th, 2008, 12:08 PM	#56 (permalink)
jwells393 Doctor of Teleocity Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Albuquerque, USA Age: 64 Posts: 12,242 101 Photos	UhillTele........... you photos aren't showing up. To post PhotoBucket photos in this forum, *left* click the IMG line below the PhotoBucket thumbnail. When you see the yellow "Copied" indicator, paste into the text area. Mojocasterman .......... It's clear Mr. Crook has copied the original paisley pattern but it doesn't appear he's had it printed on a metalilc background. I first noticed this some time ago looking at a Blue Flower Crook. Can you verify that yours is not on a metallic background. __________________ Jack's Disclaimer: When I say something.... always ask yourself ..... "What the hell does he know?" _ Guys - learn to disable the flash on your digital cameras.

June 19th, 2008, 04:30 PM	#59 (permalink)
UhillTele NEW MEMBER! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 8	i hope these pictures show up there - I love how everyone is an expert here. I'm not sure this material could be a fake? it came from the Original mFG....

June 19th, 2008, 04:37 PM	#60 (permalink)
UhillTele NEW MEMBER! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 8	it's funny though too, how everyone knows how much work goes into making one of these guitars..... what's also funny is that there are people out there willing to pay $6600 for a Fender Custom Shop - when Crooks are in the $3000 range, and are way nicer....

June 19th, 2008, 04:41 PM	#61 (permalink)
UhillTele NEW MEMBER! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 8	I also have more shots of an actual 1968 Closet Classic - no metallic backing what so ever, the metallic backing is just an illusion of sorts. it's the finishing that brings this out.... just another quick thought