Genuine or Fake?

Wardpike · June 1st, 2008, 11:27 PM

I have some serious doubts about this...

Depiction of a 1958 Tele/Esquire actually being authentic, genuine, real.

It's supposedly, a 1958 that was finished "done right" in Burgundy Mist, which it isn't, because it's metallicy wine red. And also, it's "Been Esquired".

What do you experts think?

Ward

refin · June 1st, 2008, 11:35 PM

I'm no expert,but it looks okay to me.
Some of the better relic-masters could probably fool me though.

alexpigment · June 1st, 2008, 11:35 PM

man, i think you're being a little too picky there. that's burgundy mist enough for my tastes. i mean seriously, fender colors are like general guidelines. i've seen darker BM than this many times.

all that aside, it seems like a pretty cool guitar and probably worth that general ballpark figure.

mistermullens · June 1st, 2008, 11:40 PM

I'm no expert, but the decal looks a little weird to me. String tree isn't right, but that could have easily been changed. Looks cool, though.

Sidney Vicious · June 1st, 2008, 11:42 PM

The headstock shape looks odd to me -

and the foot needs a pedicure -

other than that I got nothin'

mellecaster · June 2nd, 2008, 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wardpike

I have some serious doubts about this...

Depiction of a 1958 Tele/Esquire actually being authentic, genuine, real.

It's supposedly, a 1958 that was finished "done right" in Burgundy Mist, which it isn't, because it's metallicy wine red. And also, it's "Been Esquired".

What do you experts think?

Ward

I'm sure not an Expert...but I'm pretty sure he used to post here, and is a Trusted and respected Seller of Vintage Guitars....maybe it's stuff like this that caused him to quit stopping by for a visit ??....I'm pretty sure Fuzzy knew him ?

Wardpike · June 2nd, 2008, 12:33 AM

Stuff like what?

A genuine guitar can withstand scrutiny, as can any genuine seller. Defensiveness at being questioned would only prove that the specimen and seller are questionable!

surfoverb · June 2nd, 2008, 12:37 AM

Whats wrong with the string tree? Its aligned with the A tuner like it should be...Compared to the pic of a 58 Tele in the Duchossoir book the headstock and logo looks exactly right...Those are some close close-ups!

PJ · June 2nd, 2008, 12:59 AM

If it is original (which the electronics appear to be), those mods brought the price down. But, it might be a good piece to restore
back to its original glory. In addition to being a nice guitar, I think it would probably restore some value.

blue metalflake · June 2nd, 2008, 04:44 AM

Apart from what the seller has noted, it certainly looks original. Don't particularly like the "being esquired" but a fine chance to get a nice guitar to restore.

Fatmanstratman · June 2nd, 2008, 08:08 AM

Wardpike, you say that you have some "serious doubts" - but you didn't say WHAT your "doubts" are? Can you say why you do not believe this guitar to be genuine?

Can't see anything out of place from my quick cursory glance. The seller appears to have been open and honest about various items that have been worked on during the life of this guitar.

If anything, I think that it has been valued a little high. But what do I know?....

Hafner · June 2nd, 2008, 08:26 AM

If I remember right, BigJim is a member in our community and could jump in. He owns a good reputation as seller and will answer your question.
Nice Guitar, but if the headstock says "Telecaster", I would not re-esquire it.

Wardpike · June 2nd, 2008, 09:33 AM

Well, Fatmanstratman,
The doubts I had about it being authentic centered around the 5 screw pickguard, when I think they're supposed to be 8 screws from this year onwards...nd the "Esquired" aspect (explain that one, if anyone can: original neck pup gone? Recreation of the 50s Esquire wiring scheme?)...and the finish, being a refin but not showing much signs of the original under years of wear and tear, I also thought the decal and string tree looked off... and a poster above mentioned the headstock shape looking odd - but that may be all from photographic angles.

I was looking for good solid opinions and I think I got 'em. Thanks/

mellecaster · June 2nd, 2008, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wardpike

Stuff like what?

Defensiveness at being questioned would only prove that the specimen and seller are questionable!

Well that's just plain Goofy........

jwells393 · June 2nd, 2008, 10:19 AM

Wardpike ........... Your thread title suggests that you suspected this was a fake. The seller provides excellent closeup photos and throughly describes what is not original about the guitar. So ............were you thinking this was a fake made up of parts purchased from Warmoth or All parts?

You say the 5-hole pickguard was one of your suspect items. The seller says it's a replacement pickguard. If you'd examine the pictures you'd see it was drilled for eight.

It seems that all someone has to do is list an old guitar on eBay and someone immediately suspects it to be a fake.

BritishBluesBoy · June 2nd, 2008, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jwells393

WardpikeIt seems that all someone has to do is list an old guitar on eBay and someone immediately suspects it to be a fake.

It would seem so...

e-merlin · June 2nd, 2008, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by alexpigment

i've seen darker BM than this many times.

That sure is funny when taken out of context.

June 1st, 2008, 11:27 PM	#1 (permalink)
Wardpike Tele-Holic Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: St. John's, Newfoundland Age: 43 Posts: 656	Genuine or Fake? I have some serious doubts about this... Depiction of a 1958 Tele/Esquire actually being authentic, genuine, real. It's supposedly, a 1958 that was finished "done right" in Burgundy Mist, which it isn't, because it's metallicy wine red. And also, it's "Been Esquired". What do you experts think? Ward

June 1st, 2008, 11:35 PM	#2 (permalink)
refin Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Florida Panhandle Age: 52 Posts: 1,987	I'm no expert,but it looks okay to me. Some of the better relic-masters could probably fool me though. __________________ "For You,Lord,are good,and ready to forgive,and abundant in mercy to all those who call upon You." Ps. 86:5 http://www.soundclick.com/bands/0/refin_music.htm MASTER VOLUME? WHAT'S A MASTER VOLUME?

June 1st, 2008, 11:40 PM	#4 (permalink)
mistermullens Friend of Leo's Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Atlanta Age: 31 Posts: 2,379 51 Photos	I'm no expert, but the decal looks a little weird to me. String tree isn't right, but that could have easily been changed. Looks cool, though. __________________ When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix

June 2nd, 2008, 12:37 AM	#8 (permalink)
surfoverb Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,889	Whats wrong with the string tree? Its aligned with the A tuner like it should be...Compared to the pic of a 58 Tele in the Duchossoir book the headstock and logo looks exactly right...Those are some close close-ups! __________________ "You released the ****** fury!"*

June 2nd, 2008, 12:59 AM	#9 (permalink)
PJ Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,077 4 Photos	If it is original (which the electronics appear to be), those mods brought the price down. But, it might be a good piece to restore back to its original glory. In addition to being a nice guitar, I think it would probably restore some value. __________________ PJ "I don't know if it's art, but I like it."

June 1st, 2008, 11:35 PM	#3 (permalink)
alexpigment Tele-Meister Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Austin TX Posts: 333	man, i think you're being a little too picky there. that's burgundy mist enough for my tastes. i mean seriously, fender colors are like general guidelines. i've seen darker BM than this many times. all that aside, it seems like a pretty cool guitar and probably worth that general ballpark figure.

June 1st, 2008, 11:42 PM	#5 (permalink)
Sidney Vicious Tele-Afflicted Join Date: May 2003 Location: New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Posts: 1,157 9 Photos	The headstock shape looks odd to me - and the foot needs a pedicure - other than that I got nothin'

June 2nd, 2008, 12:33 AM	#7 (permalink)
Wardpike Tele-Holic Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: St. John's, Newfoundland Age: 43 Posts: 656	Stuff like what? A genuine guitar can withstand scrutiny, as can any genuine seller. Defensiveness at being questioned would only prove that the specimen and seller are questionable!

June 2nd, 2008, 04:44 AM	#10 (permalink)
blue metalflake Friend of Leo's Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: ireland Age: 55 Posts: 2,340 10 Photos	Apart from what the seller has noted, it certainly looks original. Don't particularly like the "being esquired" but a fine chance to get a nice guitar to restore.

June 2nd, 2008, 08:08 AM	#11 (permalink)
Fatmanstratman Friend of Leo's Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Fatmanville, Cambs., UK Posts: 2,912	Wardpike, you say that you have some "serious doubts" - but you didn't say WHAT your "doubts" are? Can you say why you do not believe this guitar to be genuine? Can't see anything out of place from my quick cursory glance. The seller appears to have been open and honest about various items that have been worked on during the life of this guitar. If anything, I think that it has been valued a little high. But what do I know?.... __________________ . . . *"Behind every argument is someone's ignorance."*

June 2nd, 2008, 08:26 AM	#12 (permalink)
Hafner Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Switzerland Age: 60 Posts: 1,552 18 Photos	If I remember right, BigJim is a member in our community and could jump in. He owns a good reputation as seller and will answer your question. Nice Guitar, but if the headstock says "Telecaster", I would not re-esquire it. __________________ Manfred

June 2nd, 2008, 09:33 AM	#13 (permalink)
Wardpike Tele-Holic Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: St. John's, Newfoundland Age: 43 Posts: 656	Well, Fatmanstratman, The doubts I had about it being authentic centered around the 5 screw pickguard, when I think they're supposed to be 8 screws from this year onwards...nd the "Esquired" aspect (explain that one, if anyone can: original neck pup gone? Recreation of the 50s Esquire wiring scheme?)...and the finish, being a refin but not showing much signs of the original under years of wear and tear, I also thought the decal and string tree looked off... and a poster above mentioned the headstock shape looking odd - but that may be all from photographic angles. I was looking for good solid opinions and I think I got 'em. Thanks/

June 2nd, 2008, 10:19 AM	#15 (permalink)
jwells393 Doctor of Teleocity Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Albuquerque, USA Age: 64 Posts: 12,242 101 Photos	Wardpike ........... Your thread title suggests that you suspected this was a fake. The seller provides excellent closeup photos and throughly describes what is not original about the guitar. So ............were you thinking this was a fake made up of parts purchased from Warmoth or All parts? You say the 5-hole pickguard was one of your suspect items. The seller says it's a replacement pickguard. If you'd examine the pictures you'd see it was drilled for eight. It seems that all someone has to do is list an old guitar on eBay and someone immediately suspects it to be a fake. __________________ Jack's Disclaimer: When I say something.... always ask yourself ..... "What the hell does he know?" _ Guys - learn to disable the flash on your digital cameras.