Reliable Musicians

VampiressX · December 15th, 2003, 12:04 AM

I have to categorically state that I must be one of *the* most reliable and enthusiastic musicians I know of. I seem to be always running into strife with people who just don't get it. For instance, a drummer turned up to a gig (around 20 years ago) with no kit. Recently I sacked an entire band because they were just plain idiots. Bass player from said band didnt want to buy his own amp and always relied on the kindness of stupid guitarists willing to stick him in their amp. I sware my jaw always hit the ground on that one. Many other cases to speak of but I'm sure you all have your own stories.

I on the other hand, am always arranging rehearsal venues, times, always there and set up at least 30 mins before time, designing flyers, organising communication (mailing lists etc).... the list goes on. Man, it's hard work before you even get to the stage of playing to an audience.

shuggie1 · December 15th, 2003, 12:35 AM

And????????

inertian · December 15th, 2003, 01:49 AM

...at least in my own limited experience.

For example: in a current project that has been literally years in planning, the two "pro" musicians involved were consistently flakey in showing up and alternately brilliant and terrible when actually playing. OTOH, the "amateur" players (those with real day jobs) by and large showed up on time, prepared, and ready to get the job done.

Maybe I just attract a certain class of person...

%^)

Skully · December 15th, 2003, 02:46 AM

In my experience, musicians often become musicians not because they love the music, but because they love the "rebel" lifestyle (selfish, substance abusing, terminally adolescent, etc.) they think goes with the job.

Nick Fanis · December 15th, 2003, 03:14 AM

I simply don't CARE how good a performer is if he does not conduct himself in a pro way!
It is simply intolerable for a musician to be LATE during a recording session,be unprepared and unreliable.
You know what?
I have produced quite a few artists and used quite a few musicians the BEST ones (the ones with real talent and success) were NEVER late,NEVER foolish and ALWAYS prepared...................

Skully · December 15th, 2003, 03:28 AM

That brings me back to the Stones again and Charlie Watt's comment that his first 25 years with the Stones were 5 years of work and 20 years of waiting.

Baard · December 15th, 2003, 04:10 AM

Hah. People are different. You get along best with folks that have the same working ethics as your self. And the same goals. Beeing too ambitious can also be a burden. People who does not know hoe to be on time are a drag to work with. Actually impossible. I always pull out of projeckts as fast as +'¨¨ if people does not know to show up for rehersals on time.... That´s the first thing you have to learn if you want to be a musician.

In my current band we´ve played 200 gigs. Nobody missed a single one,everyones been on time, births,deaths, divorces, sickness you name it there is no excuse. That´s what it takes....

Baard

TwinReverb · December 15th, 2003, 04:20 AM

Baard,

You're bandmembers even show up after passing to the next world??? They must be scared of you....

Baard · December 15th, 2003, 06:06 AM

We have a standing joke, when the leadsinger pass away, we have a huge big black coffin on wheels, he´ll fit nicely.....and won´t do as much damage.And we won´t have to make a new poster... Only problem is where will we put the microphone stands...

then.

Baard

sparky · December 16th, 2003, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VampiressX

a drummer turned up to a gig with no kit.

Should've made him wear his vest and pants :)

December 15th, 2003, 12:04 AM	#1 (permalink)
VampiressX Tele-Meister Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 43 Posts: 119 3 Photos	Reliable Musicians I have to categorically state that I must be one of the most reliable and enthusiastic musicians I know of. I seem to be always running into strife with people who just don't get it. For instance, a drummer turned up to a gig (around 20 years ago) with no kit. Recently I sacked an entire band because they were just plain idiots. Bass player from said band didnt want to buy his own amp and always relied on the kindness of stupid guitarists willing to stick him in their amp. I sware my jaw always hit the ground on that one. Many other cases to speak of but I'm sure you all have your own stories. I on the other hand, am always arranging rehearsal venues, times, always there and set up at least 30 mins before time, designing flyers, organising communication (mailing lists etc).... the list goes on. Man, it's hard work before you even get to the stage of playing to an audience. __________________ -=[VampiressX]=-

December 15th, 2003, 01:49 AM	#3 (permalink)
inertian Tele-Holic Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lindenhurst, NY Posts: 583	Reliable Musician = Oxymoron... ...at least in my own limited experience. For example: in a current project that has been literally years in planning, the two "pro" musicians involved were consistently flakey in showing up and alternately brilliant and terrible when actually playing. OTOH, the "amateur" players (those with real day jobs) by and large showed up on time, prepared, and ready to get the job done. Maybe I just attract a certain class of person... %^) __________________ "There's very little you can't do with a Dremel if you have the right attachment."

December 15th, 2003, 03:14 AM	#5 (permalink)
Nick Fanis Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Athens-GREECE Posts: 1,792 14 Photos	speaking from my producer's chair... I simply don't CARE how good a performer is if he does not conduct himself in a pro way! It is simply intolerable for a musician to be LATE during a recording session,be unprepared and unreliable. You know what? I have produced quite a few artists and used quite a few musicians the BEST ones (the ones with real talent and success) were NEVER late,NEVER foolish and ALWAYS prepared................... __________________ "Hit him again Jack,he is crazy!" Hunter S.Thompson www.myspace.com/nickfanis

December 15th, 2003, 04:10 AM	#7 (permalink)
Baard Tele-Holic Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 668	Story well known..... Hah. People are different. You get along best with folks that have the same working ethics as your self. And the same goals. Beeing too ambitious can also be a burden. People who does not know hoe to be on time are a drag to work with. Actually impossible. I always pull out of projeckts as fast as +'¨¨ if people does not know to show up for rehersals on time.... That´s the first thing you have to learn if you want to be a musician. In my current band we´ve played 200 gigs. Nobody missed a single one,everyones been on time, births,deaths, divorces, sickness you name it there is no excuse. That´s what it takes.... Baard __________________ All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

December 15th, 2003, 04:20 AM	#8 (permalink)
TwinReverb Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 477	Zombie? Baard, You're bandmembers even show up after passing to the next world??? They must be scared of you....

December 15th, 2003, 12:35 AM	#2 (permalink)
shuggie1 Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Minnesota Posts: 319	And????????

December 15th, 2003, 02:46 AM	#4 (permalink)
Skully Friend of Leo's Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Glamorous NoHo Posts: 3,988	In my experience, musicians often become musicians not because they love the music, but because they love the "rebel" lifestyle (selfish, substance abusing, terminally adolescent, etc.) they think goes with the job.

December 15th, 2003, 03:28 AM	#6 (permalink)
Skully Friend of Leo's Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Glamorous NoHo Posts: 3,988	That brings me back to the Stones again and Charlie Watt's comment that his first 25 years with the Stones were 5 years of work and 20 years of waiting.

December 15th, 2003, 06:06 AM	#9 (permalink)
Baard Tele-Holic Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 668	That´s the deal..... We have a standing joke, when the leadsinger pass away, we have a huge big black coffin on wheels, he´ll fit nicely.....and won´t do as much damage.And we won´t have to make a new poster... Only problem is where will we put the microphone stands... then. Baard __________________ All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.