Steve Cropper, no longer a Peavey endorser?

Blazer · December 14th, 2003, 09:44 PM

This picture at the Gibson Site shows Steve Cropper playing a Valley Arts, Cropper who stuck true to the guitar he's endorsing no matter what, apparently didn't want his Peaveys anymore. If I'm wrong please correct me.

Adam Waldron · December 14th, 2003, 09:55 PM

Well the Peavey website is still showing the 'Cropper Classic'.

I haven't played the Peavey, I am sure it is a good guitar but to me it just isn't a Steve Cropper guitar...

Fender should have been talking to him before Peavey.

Cheers,

Adam

eryque · December 14th, 2003, 10:21 PM

Fender did talk to him long before Peavey, for a long long time he was a consultant for Fender. I think that was also the time before they started with the artist models, though.

And then, maybe the Colonel decided he wanted something completely different in a guitar. He sure got it from Peavey. Would be cool to see a Cropper signature model from Fender, though.

Adam Waldron · December 14th, 2003, 10:32 PM

Thanks Eryque. And yep, I'd like to see a Cropper Fender too.

I guess when they started doing signature guitars at Fender they started out with high profile artists?

I guess by the time Fender started doing 'musicians mucisian' signature axes Steve was already stitched up at Peavey?

Cheers,

Adam

ramblinmike · December 15th, 2003, 12:39 AM

mostly because i've just always seen him as a "telemaster." the blues brothers movie just wouldn't have been the same if when they went into Ray Charles' music store and Steve picked up a gibson ES-335 or a LP rather than that white TELE :D

shuggie1 · December 15th, 2003, 12:44 AM

I'm sure that the peevee's & the valley art thingy's are fine wonderful guitar's.
But in my own 'pinion, I feel Cropper should have his own fender deal.

Ringo · December 15th, 2003, 01:31 AM

Since it was a Gibson sponsered gig, maybe Gibson provided all the gear? They own Valley Arts now too - not that I'm impressed with that at all.
FWIW I saw James Burton playiing a Gibson at the summer NAMM show one year, he was visiting the Gibson booth and some folks took pics. Doesn't mean anything.

As for the Fender connection with Stever Cropper, seems like I read somewhere that they never offered to make a Cropper model, he seemed to be a little offended by that too, since he was a Tele man from way back.
But he sounds good with the Peavey model too.

Jerry J · December 15th, 2003, 12:40 PM

I just bought the BB DVD just for the Colonel and the Duckster as they are the backbone of that band. The new DVD is $9.99 at Best Buys and the bonus material is just as good as the movie. You gotta check it out - the Colonel talking about now good Belushi actually was! He was actually impressed with Belushi's ability.

Bonus BB tidbit - Peewee Herman plays the waiter in the fancy French restaurant scene!

Great movie, thats all I can say.

pbradt · December 15th, 2003, 12:52 PM

Keep in mind the guy with the Les Paul is none other than the great Lee Roy Parnell.

Thanks for the pix. Always good to seer either Lee Roy or the Colonel.

Ritchie Fliegler · December 15th, 2003, 12:58 PM

I'm not saying that this applies to this particular subject, but........... Fender does not pay advances, "consulting fees" or any other type of monies to its endorsers - they play Fender because they love the guitar. As such, a Fender signature model is more about "having your face on the cover of the Rolling Stone" than making some bucks. In the past, there have been some artists that wanted the money more than the guitar.

RF

Ron Garson · December 15th, 2003, 02:04 PM

The pic is from the recent party given by Gibson for Scotty Moore, and it was held at the Valley Arts/Baldwin building in Nashville. Several people were playing Valley Arts there and I think that instruments were available for those who didn't have their own there.

Falstaff · December 15th, 2003, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ritchie Fliegler

I'm not saying that this applies to this particular subject, but........... Fender does not pay advances, "consulting fees" or any other type of monies to its endorsers - they play Fender because they love the guitar. As such, a Fender signature model is more about "having your face on the cover of the Rolling Stone" than making some bucks. In the past, there have been some artists that wanted the money more than the guitar.

RF

Ritchie:

This may not be the right place, but being pretty new here I haven't seen you before. I just wanted to let you know I love your amp book. Thanks for writing it!

-Matt

maxvintage · December 15th, 2003, 02:46 PM

Really? Absolutely no offense meant, but Jimmie Vaughn gets nothing more than the thrill of seeing his name on somebody else's guitar? That's pretty remarkable--no royalties or licensing fees? All those Mark Hoppus basses--I would not make such a deal. Do you mean for custom shop instruments? I don't see how you can have a line of guitars based on someone's name and not pay them for the use of their name. But I may be missing the right term here

mitscan · December 15th, 2003, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ritchie Fliegler

Fender does not pay advances, "consulting fees" or any other type of monies to its endorsers.RF

Clapton doesn't get any dinero from Fender for all those signature Strats? I find that hard to believe, especially considering his loyalty to the brand when he could be (and probably should be) anything out there.

Ringo · December 15th, 2003, 07:52 PM

I picked up a newer EC Strat to check it out last year at Mars Music before they closed up.
When they first came out the EC Strats were pretty decent, nice finish on the necks, whether or not you liked the Lace Sensors and the boost is another thing.
This newer EC Strat had no tint at all to the neck finish, looked like a Squire, very poor finsh job too, real thick around the frets, and other problems.
I'm sure if EC saw the quality or lack of would be a better way to put it, he'd be pulling his name off of them real quick.

And there is no way I believe that Fender doesn't pay endorsement or royalty fees, Les Paul still gets royalties from Gibson, why would Fender be any different?

Shnook · December 15th, 2003, 08:02 PM

In regards to the EC Strat, I'm sorry but the one I had was junk. It was a '88 or '89 and had a lot of problems with the finish flaking off the neck. I could fit a quarter in the space between the neck pocket and neck. I finally sold the guitar once I noticed a hairline crack starting down the center of the neck. Not to mention the tuning problems I had with the thing. I don't know if there was just something screwy going on with the neck of that guitar, but it didn't leave me with a very good impression of the EC Strat. However, I had a friend with a '88 7UP color EC that's his baby. Go figure... I think people would be better off buying the 57RI Strat personally.

But I should also add here that I'm a big fan of the Gatton Tele mainly because of all the features on that guitar that you can't get stock on anything else.

Ritchie Fliegler · December 16th, 2003, 11:42 AM

Please show me where I said we don't pay royalties? Stop putting words in my mouth. I said we don't give advances or "consulting fees".

Everybody pays royalties and therefore they are a non-issue, but even the most popular of sig models generate little more than "lunch money" , the bucks come in the form of "clinic fees", "consulting" NAMM Apearences ets... we don't pay for any of this stuff while other comapanies pay a ton.

RF

television · December 16th, 2003, 12:08 PM

Ritchie, no one is putting words in your mouth. You conveniently ignore what your post said. You stated:

" Fender does not pay advances, "consulting fees" or any other type of monies to its endorsers - they play Fender because they love the guitar."

"...or any other type of monies..." would certainly seem to include royalties.

nopedals · December 16th, 2003, 12:09 PM

"Please show me where I said we don't pay royalties? Stop putting words in my mouth."

um, you said

"or any other type of monies"

I always hate it when folks flame fender reps on boards, because I love it that fender cares enough to provide this kind of customer contact, so don't take this the wrong way. Oh yeah, I loved the amp book, too!

Ritchie Fliegler · December 16th, 2003, 12:33 PM

Fair enough............. As someone who deals with this stuff everyday,something that is a given is a non-factor (The water is cold, no need to state that it's wet too :-))

Bottom line is nobody is buying a house, a car or even a flat screen TV with their royalties on Sig guitars from FMIC. Other companies provide significant income to thier artist endorsers.

RF

TheGoodTexan · December 16th, 2003, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ritchie Fliegler

Bottom line is nobody is buying a house, a car or even a flat screen TV with their royalties on Sig guitars from FMIC. Other companies provide significant income to thier artist endorsers.

RF

BUT - You can get your whole band their own Plymouth Prowlers just for licensing your current single for use on their Super Bowl commercial. :)

GilmourD · December 16th, 2003, 02:36 PM

I'm also assuming that the person who's namesake is on the guitar ocassionally gets a freebie axe, right?

sticko · December 16th, 2003, 09:06 PM

When Fender launched their reissue series(1982 I think? "The sound that creates legends")the brochure had photos of Buddy Holly, Clapton, Hendrix, and a very bearded Cropper along the top. So there was a little bit of association back then.

December 14th, 2003, 09:44 PM	#1 (permalink)
Blazer Friend of Leo's Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 3,416	Steve Cropper, no longer a Peavey endorser? This picture at the Gibson Site shows Steve Cropper playing a Valley Arts, Cropper who stuck true to the guitar he's endorsing no matter what, apparently didn't want his Peaveys anymore. If I'm wrong please correct me. __________________ "I reject your reality and subsitute my own." - Adam Savage, Mythbusters

December 15th, 2003, 12:39 AM	#5 (permalink)
ramblinmike Tele-Holic Join Date: May 2003 Location: Long Island NY Age: 23 Posts: 924	its a shame mostly because i've just always seen him as a "telemaster." the blues brothers movie just wouldn't have been the same if when they went into Ray Charles' music store and Steve picked up a gibson ES-335 or a LP rather than that white TELE :D

December 15th, 2003, 01:31 AM	#7 (permalink)
Ringo Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Memphis TN Posts: 1,913	they are ALL playing "Gibson" products Since it was a Gibson sponsered gig, maybe Gibson provided all the gear? They own Valley Arts now too - not that I'm impressed with that at all. FWIW I saw James Burton playiing a Gibson at the summer NAMM show one year, he was visiting the Gibson booth and some folks took pics. Doesn't mean anything. As for the Fender connection with Stever Cropper, seems like I read somewhere that they never offered to make a Cropper model, he seemed to be a little offended by that too, since he was a Tele man from way back. But he sounds good with the Peavey model too.

December 15th, 2003, 12:40 PM	#8 (permalink)
Jerry J Tele-Holic Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NoVa Posts: 650	Ditto that, R&B, the other great Tele Music! I just bought the BB DVD just for the Colonel and the Duckster as they are the backbone of that band. The new DVD is $9.99 at Best Buys and the bonus material is just as good as the movie. You gotta check it out - the Colonel talking about now good Belushi actually was! He was actually impressed with Belushi's ability. Bonus BB tidbit - Peewee Herman plays the waiter in the fancy French restaurant scene! Great movie, thats all I can say.

December 15th, 2003, 12:52 PM	#9 (permalink)
pbradt Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 267	Keep in mind the guy with the Les Paul is none other than the great Lee Roy Parnell. Thanks for the pix. Always good to seer either Lee Roy or the Colonel. __________________ Hell yeah I'd love to make it, But I suck at playing games I'd rather starve than fake it For a little taste of fame - Allison Moorer

December 14th, 2003, 09:55 PM	#2 (permalink)
Adam Waldron Tele-Holic Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 607	Well the Peavey website is still showing the 'Cropper Classic'. I haven't played the Peavey, I am sure it is a good guitar but to me it just isn't a Steve Cropper guitar... Fender should have been talking to him before Peavey. Cheers, Adam

December 14th, 2003, 10:21 PM	#3 (permalink)
eryque Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: albany, ny [not chicago] Posts: 7,118 44 Photos	Fender did talk to him long before Peavey, for a long long time he was a consultant for Fender. I think that was also the time before they started with the artist models, though. And then, maybe the Colonel decided he wanted something completely different in a guitar. He sure got it from Peavey. Would be cool to see a Cropper signature model from Fender, though.

December 14th, 2003, 10:32 PM	#4 (permalink)
Adam Waldron Tele-Holic Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 607	Thanks Eryque. And yep, I'd like to see a Cropper Fender too. I guess when they started doing signature guitars at Fender they started out with high profile artists? I guess by the time Fender started doing 'musicians mucisian' signature axes Steve was already stitched up at Peavey? Cheers, Adam

December 15th, 2003, 12:44 AM	#6 (permalink)
shuggie1 Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Minnesota Posts: 319	I'm sure that the peevee's & the valley art thingy's are fine wonderful guitar's. But in my own 'pinion, I feel Cropper should have his own fender deal.

December 15th, 2003, 12:58 PM	#10 (permalink)
Ritchie Fliegler TDPRI Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fountain Hills, AZ Age: 55 Posts: 57	I'm not saying that this applies to this particular subject, but........... Fender does not pay advances, "consulting fees" or any other type of monies to its endorsers - they play Fender because they love the guitar. As such, a Fender signature model is more about "having your face on the cover of the Rolling Stone" than making some bucks. In the past, there have been some artists that wanted the money more than the guitar. RF

December 15th, 2003, 02:04 PM	#11 (permalink)
Ron Garson Tele-Holic Join Date: May 2003 Location: UK Posts: 645 20 Photos	The pic is from the recent party given by Gibson for Scotty Moore, and it was held at the Valley Arts/Baldwin building in Nashville. Several people were playing Valley Arts there and I think that instruments were available for those who didn't have their own there.

December 15th, 2003, 02:46 PM	#13 (permalink)
maxvintage Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 49 Posts: 427	Really? Absolutely no offense meant, but Jimmie Vaughn gets nothing more than the thrill of seeing his name on somebody else's guitar? That's pretty remarkable--no royalties or licensing fees? All those Mark Hoppus basses--I would not make such a deal. Do you mean for custom shop instruments? I don't see how you can have a line of guitars based on someone's name and not pay them for the use of their name. But I may be missing the right term here

December 15th, 2003, 07:52 PM	#15 (permalink)
Ringo Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Memphis TN Posts: 1,913	re Clapton Strats I picked up a newer EC Strat to check it out last year at Mars Music before they closed up. When they first came out the EC Strats were pretty decent, nice finish on the necks, whether or not you liked the Lace Sensors and the boost is another thing. This newer EC Strat had no tint at all to the neck finish, looked like a Squire, very poor finsh job too, real thick around the frets, and other problems. I'm sure if EC saw the quality or lack of would be a better way to put it, he'd be pulling his name off of them real quick. And there is no way I believe that Fender doesn't pay endorsement or royalty fees, Les Paul still gets royalties from Gibson, why would Fender be any different?

December 15th, 2003, 08:02 PM	#16 (permalink)
Shnook Tele-Meister Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Roanoke, VA Posts: 402	In regards to the EC Strat, I'm sorry but the one I had was junk. It was a '88 or '89 and had a lot of problems with the finish flaking off the neck. I could fit a quarter in the space between the neck pocket and neck. I finally sold the guitar once I noticed a hairline crack starting down the center of the neck. Not to mention the tuning problems I had with the thing. I don't know if there was just something screwy going on with the neck of that guitar, but it didn't leave me with a very good impression of the EC Strat. However, I had a friend with a '88 7UP color EC that's his baby. Go figure... I think people would be better off buying the 57RI Strat personally. But I should also add here that I'm a big fan of the Gatton Tele mainly because of all the features on that guitar that you can't get stock on anything else.

December 16th, 2003, 11:42 AM	#17 (permalink)
Ritchie Fliegler TDPRI Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fountain Hills, AZ Age: 55 Posts: 57	Please show me where I said we don't pay royalties? Stop putting words in my mouth. I said we don't give advances or "consulting fees". Everybody pays royalties and therefore they are a non-issue, but even the most popular of sig models generate little more than "lunch money" , the bucks come in the form of "clinic fees", "consulting" NAMM Apearences ets... we don't pay for any of this stuff while other comapanies pay a ton. RF

December 16th, 2003, 12:08 PM	#18 (permalink)
television TDPRI Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 77	Ritchie, no one is putting words in your mouth. You conveniently ignore what your post said. You stated: " Fender does not pay advances, "consulting fees" or any other type of monies to its endorsers - they play Fender because they love the guitar." "...or any other type of monies..." would certainly seem to include royalties.

December 16th, 2003, 12:09 PM	#19 (permalink)
nopedals Tele-Meister Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 152	sorry, can't resist "Please show me where I said we don't pay royalties? Stop putting words in my mouth." um, you said "or any other type of monies" I always hate it when folks flame fender reps on boards, because I love it that fender cares enough to provide this kind of customer contact, so don't take this the wrong way. Oh yeah, I loved the amp book, too!

December 16th, 2003, 12:33 PM	#20 (permalink)
Ritchie Fliegler TDPRI Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fountain Hills, AZ Age: 55 Posts: 57	Fair enough............. As someone who deals with this stuff everyday,something that is a given is a non-factor (The water is cold, no need to state that it's wet too :-)) Bottom line is nobody is buying a house, a car or even a flat screen TV with their royalties on Sig guitars from FMIC. Other companies provide significant income to thier artist endorsers. RF

December 16th, 2003, 02:36 PM	#22 (permalink)
GilmourD Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Nutley, NJ Age: 29 Posts: 1,568	I'm also assuming that the person who's namesake is on the guitar ocassionally gets a freebie axe, right?

December 16th, 2003, 09:06 PM	#23 (permalink)
sticko Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: They don't call it the Bluff City for nothin' Posts: 424	When Fender launched their reissue series(1982 I think? "The sound that creates legends")the brochure had photos of Buddy Holly, Clapton, Hendrix, and a very bearded Cropper along the top. So there was a little bit of association back then.