Bridge pick poles up not directly under strings. - Telecaster Guitar Forum
The Number 1 Fender Telecaster Guitar authority in the world.
   

Go Back   Telecaster Guitar Forum > Main Telecaster Forum > Tele-Technical
Forgot Username/Password? Join Us!
Notices

Tele-Technical Telecaster nuts and bolts talk ONLY


Wilde Pickups by Bill & Becky Lawrence WD Music Products Amplified Parts Mod Kits DIY Amps, Mods, Pedals dallenpickups.com Warmoth.com seymourduncan.com


Forum Jump


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old July 23rd, 2012, 01:26 PM   #1 (permalink)
TDPRI Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Ruston, Louisiana
Posts: 19
Bridge pick poles up not directly under strings.

So I just finished my first build yesterday. I'm very pleased with how it plays. However, the high e string is very quiet in the amp while the bridge pickup is selected. So I checked to see if the pick up needed to be raised.... Sadly, it needed to be moved as the pole is directly between the E and the B. The pole under the low E is centered. So my understanding of geometry leads me to believe that the bridge (which holds the pickup) is rotated slightly about the pole under the low E. This is very scary and I'm afraid that there is no fix. Someone please ease my fears and tell me how to fix it. I'll post a pic this evening. Thanks.

CIVENGR is offline   Reply With Quote

Old July 23rd, 2012, 01:38 PM   #2 (permalink)
TDPRI Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: towson, maryland
Age: 62
Posts: 90
I don't think anyone can answer a question about your own build. What is the spacing of the strings? What is the angle of the bridge pickup? If you got a body that already had the bridge pickup routed, I would say you may just have a pickup that is not spaced for your string spacing. Over the years, the string spacing has gotten narrower (down to 2 1/8 on the moderns, I believe.) "Vintage was wider. But, if you bought the body with string holes already drilled, measuring those will tell you what the spacing is.

If you did our own drilling and routing, I am afraid you may be on your own.

It really helps to do your first build by having a manufactured tele to compare with.

Ed
Ed Mo is offline   Reply With Quote

Old July 23rd, 2012, 02:06 PM   #3 (permalink)
TDPRI Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Ruston, Louisiana
Posts: 19
My spacing at the bridge is 2 and 1/8. The pickup spec is the same. So the spacing is not the issue. I'm hoping its not my routing. I was extremely cautious with that part considering I only had one block of wood. I did buy a cheap six saddle bridge off ebay.
CIVENGR is offline   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links   #
Sponsored posting
 

Old July 23rd, 2012, 02:12 PM   #4 (permalink)
Tele-Afflicted
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: bloomington, in
Posts: 1,697
Quote:
Originally Posted by CIVENGR View Post
I did buy a cheap six saddle bridge off ebay.
Maybe that is it. Send us pics when you can.
clayfeat is offline   Reply With Quote

Old July 23rd, 2012, 03:01 PM   #5 (permalink)
TDPRI Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Ruston, Louisiana
Posts: 19
Here is a pic.

Click image for larger version

Name:	ForumRunner_20120723_140007.jpg
Views:	79
Size:	31.7 KB
ID:	136081
CIVENGR is offline   Reply With Quote

Old July 23rd, 2012, 05:34 PM   #6 (permalink)
Friend of Leo's
 
Rod Parsons's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Winchester, Va.
Age: 67
Posts: 2,413
Are there groves in the sadles to keep the strings from sliding?That whole bridge assembly looks kind of weird to me. I think that if were mine, I would try another assembly, just to see if the one in the picture is "off" somehow. I'm wondering why all the saddle screws are slanted to the right and are up against the right side if the bridge. I have a Fender Pat Pend 3-saddle bridge and the saddles are brass. With mine, I can move the strings maually over the pole pieces and the brass holds the strings in place. After awhile, small groves are formed where I place the strings and the grooves, though very, very tiny, do hold the strings right where I want.
Rod Parsons is offline   Reply With Quote

Old July 23rd, 2012, 06:22 PM   #7 (permalink)
TDPRI Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Ruston, Louisiana
Posts: 19
Ok, I think I've got it. It must be the bridge. The low E string comes through the body almost directly under the the saddle screw. This happens for each string. The tension of the string puts a force tangent to the screw pushing it sideways. The high E string does not make contact with the saddle screw. But by then all the other saddles are pushing it off course. I'll test this idea by making sure the saddles aren't touching each other and post back.
CIVENGR is offline   Reply With Quote

Old July 23rd, 2012, 09:31 PM   #8 (permalink)
Friend of Leo's
 
Bartholomew3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Montreal
Posts: 2,480
I would put a piece of steel or something in beside the top E saddle to prevent it from shifting to the right like that.

Then they would all be in the proper place.
Bartholomew3 is offline   Reply With Quote

Old July 23rd, 2012, 09:46 PM   #9 (permalink)
Tele-Holic
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Colorado
Posts: 762
You've got "offset" saddles in a bridge for which the string-through holes are centered on the saddle screw. I would say that's in correct.

That kind of bridge (which I've just removed from a guitar) is meant to be about 1/8 to 3/16" off center, also. Maybe, for one thing, you've centered it. And, like I say, the string through holes should be offset from the saddle screw hole.

I would recommend you get a different bridge with centered saddles like this one from GFS which also has their well-thought of stainless saddles in it. Or at least a correct saddle/bridge combination.

Greg
Greg.Coal is offline   Reply With Quote

Old July 23rd, 2012, 10:18 PM   #10 (permalink)
Telefied
 
boris bubbanov's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: New Orleans, LA + in the
Posts: 35,651
Quote:
Originally Posted by CIVENGR View Post
Here is a pic.

Attachment 136081
These saddles are wide enough, they're gonna force the strings to land wide of where they're supposed to go. Left that way, the volume on the B and especially the little E string will be extremely low.

If you moved the saddles down in where they're liable to fall if the guitar is intonated right, the problem will be less evident. You could shove the saddles tight together, shove the saddles over to the left, but the spacing will be very wide not only for the bridge pickup, but even more for the neck pickup (assuming it isn't an Esquire) and won't line up on the neck correctly, either. The little E will hang off of or at least play off of the edge of the board.

But I'd ditch this bridge, and use another form of 4 screw hole bridge in its place. IMO this bridge offers too few advantages in exchange for a smorgasbord of faults and problems. There are a number of bridge plates that are meant for 3 compensated barrels and they work so much nicer and won't force the strings to fall where they do not belong.
boris bubbanov is offline   Reply With Quote

Old July 24th, 2012, 08:43 AM   #11 (permalink)
Tele-Afflicted
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: bloomington, in
Posts: 1,697
I think the saddles are too wide. The string holes in the bridge appear to line up with the pickup polepieces.
clayfeat is offline   Reply With Quote

Old July 24th, 2012, 09:15 AM   #12 (permalink)
Tele-Afflicted
 
H. Mac's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: In the USA!
Age: 60
Posts: 1,933
Quote:
Originally Posted by boris bubbanov View Post
But I'd ditch this bridge, and use another form of 4 screw hole bridge in its place. IMO this bridge offers too few advantages in exchange for a smorgasbord of faults and problems. There are a number of bridge plates that are meant for 3 compensated barrels and they work so much nicer and won't force the strings to fall where they do not belong.
Yep. It sounds like with the exception of the problem bridge, your first build turned out really well, so congrats and happy new guitar day. The good thing is that there are a lot of good bridges to chose from, that aren't too pricy, and that will result in better alignment with your strings being properly over the poles.

A lot of folks (including me) like the Wilkinson bridge with 3 compensated brass saddles that goes for about $20. Just a suggestion though.
H. Mac is offline   Reply With Quote

Old July 24th, 2012, 09:50 AM   #13 (permalink)
Telefied
 
boris bubbanov's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: New Orleans, LA + in the
Posts: 35,651
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg.Coal View Post
These saddles in my experience will not fit on the existing plate that the O.P. has shown, as they're dead centered (which is good normally) while the holes on that plate are offset. Also, the string will hang up IME on the underside of the back portion of the saddle on its way through the block saddle and then over the top of the saddle (the break point) because of where the through holes are located on the O.P.'s bridgeplate. Thus the saddle and string are woven together like chain mail and this IMO sounds like rubbish (even through the speaker).

But, the bridge shown is a good copy of the existing bridge on the Squier Tele Standard if you have that "2 top screw over 3 very low mount screw" mounting configuration and through hole configuration that we see on many overseas T models but not on any USA T guitars I can think of.
boris bubbanov is offline   Reply With Quote

Old July 24th, 2012, 10:01 AM   #14 (permalink)
Tele-Holic
 
LarsOS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Norway
Age: 37
Posts: 632
Quote:
Originally Posted by clayfeat View Post
I think the saddles are too wide. The string holes in the bridge appear to line up with the pickup polepieces.
+1. The saddles seem to be all over the place. They're certainly not straight. The low E is not that bad, the A looks OK, but after that each string is slightly worse than the previous. You could try some other saddles, or grind them down to make them a little bit narrower.
LarsOS is offline   Reply With Quote

Old July 24th, 2012, 10:51 AM   #15 (permalink)
TDPRI Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Ruston, Louisiana
Posts: 19
Thanks yall. I've discovered that when aligning the neck I was off as well. That contributes to the problem I'm sure. Neck aligning is probably the hardest part of the process for me. I will look into a new bridge as well.
CIVENGR is offline   Reply With Quote

Old July 24th, 2012, 04:16 PM   #16 (permalink)
Telefied
 
boris bubbanov's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: New Orleans, LA + in the
Posts: 35,651
Quote:
Originally Posted by CIVENGR View Post
Thanks yall. I've discovered that when aligning the neck I was off as well. That contributes to the problem I'm sure. Neck aligning is probably the hardest part of the process for me. I will look into a new bridge as well.
Yeah, you will want some freedom in mounting the neck, and the 3 barrel bridges provide that in abundance. You can move the strings around, even notch the barrels for the strings once you are set, and have the neck aligned right with the strings all nicely spaced up and down the neck. Sometimes the 6 saddle bridges just so happen to align but in a home assembly, you don't want to be heavily dependent on luck in that area.

Enjoy!
boris bubbanov is offline   Reply With Quote

Old July 24th, 2012, 06:53 PM   #17 (permalink)
Tele-Meister
 
JimmieT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Seattle, WA
Age: 63
Posts: 309
the bridge mounting looks right but those saddles are mounted on the bridge wrong. Get a new bridge .
JimmieT is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Forum Jump


» Random Photo for Guests
three_silver_faces
Untitled Document



 


Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2



IMPORTANT:Treat everyone here with respect, no matter how difficult! No sex, drug, political, religion or hate discussion permitted here.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0 RC 2
© TDPRI.COM 1999 - 2014 All rights reserved.