Pickguard wiring help

[ericluther]

I bought a used G&L S-500 Tribute, that was supposed to have texas special in the middle and neck position. Turns out it didnt, anyway I bought new pickups and I'm not sure it was wired correctly.

I found a schematic on Seymour Duncans website that is for 3 single coils, one volume, two tone. My problem is my guitar has the switch to add the bridge pickup. I also have a schematic but its all Greek to me lol

also my 5 way switch has the tabs all inline, not staggered like the SD schematic

Any help would be appreciated! Thanks!!

[sjtalon]

This might work, you could possibly wire the switch like a reg. Strat (per the Seymour Duncan) and do without the bridge switch, although it should still work in the circuit. I guess they do that trick to get n&b AND all three as well.

[ericluther]

oh awesome that diagram does help with the 5 way, thank you!

here is a diagram for what the switch does

[Phostenix]

Is any of it wired up right now?

Do you want to stay with the Treble & Bass cut controls (rather than the standard Strat 2 Treble cuts)?

Do you like that switching setup with the toggle flipped? With that G & L tone setup, you could do an easy change to get the more typical 7-way switching Fender uses.

[ericluther]

Originally Posted by Phostenix

Is any of it wired up right now?

Do you want to stay with the Treble & Bass cut controls (rather than the standard Strat 2 Treble cuts)?

Do you like that switching setup with the toggle flipped? With that G & L tone setup, you could do an easy change to get the more typical 7-way switching Fender uses.

The original pickups are wired up, but I cant seem to tell any difference when the toggle is flipped, could just be me though.

I would like to stay with the treble and bass yes.

What is the more typical 7 way?

Thank you for helping I really want to get this wired up!!!

Eric

[sjtalon]

I have one of my Strats with the regular Strat-O-Tone and then a mini toggle for adding the neck. On my other one, I installed a push/pull tone switch to do the "neck on"-------- 7 way.

Take a paper clip and tap pups as you go through the switch positions to verify what's going on.

[Phostenix]

Originally Posted by ericluther

What is the more typical 7 way?

When you flip the switch, only 2 of the positions change (total of 7 possibilities).

The way they wired it in that schematic, you get a lot of duplicate positions. I try to avoid that, if possible.


Let me work on a drawing for you. I don't know if we have an import switch in our library of parts. I'll see what I can do.

[ericluther]

Originally Posted by Phostenix

When you flip the switch, only 2 of the positions change (total of 7 possibilities).

The way they wired it in that schematic, you get a lot of duplicate positions. I try to avoid that, if possible.


Let me work on a drawing for you. I don't know if we have an import switch in our library of parts. I'll see what I can do.

thanks so much, I appreciate you taking the time to do that!

Eric

[Phostenix]

Here's what I've got. It wouldn't hurt to have some people double check my work here to make sure I got it all correct.

[Phostenix]

You could use a SPST toggle switch, but their schematic shows a SPDT, so that's what I put in.

With the toggle switch up, if you would rather have this:

1. Bridge
2. Middle & Bridge (Parallel)
3. Middle
4. All 3 Pickups (Parallel)
5. Neck & Bridge

It would only take moving 2 wires to make that change.

[ericluther]

Originally Posted by Phostenix

You could use a SPST toggle switch, but their schematic shows a SPDT, so that's what I put in.

With the toggle switch up, if you would rather have this:

1. Bridge
2. Middle & Bridge (Parallel)
3. Middle
4. All 3 Pickups (Parallel)
5. Neck & Bridge

It would only take moving 2 wires to make that change.

my toggle has 6 pins, those combos are great!! would it help if I uploaded a photo of the current pickguard? thanks again!!

[Phostenix]

Sure, let's see what you've got.

Are you OK with the switching setup I put in the drawing?

[ericluther]

Originally Posted by Phostenix

Sure, let's see what you've got.

Are you OK with the switching setup I put in the drawing?

yes thats great!!

[ericluther]

hope this helps

[Phostenix]

It's hard to see it all, but it looks pretty close to their schematic.

What colors of wires do each of the pickups have?

Do the 2 tone pots only have 2 terminals/lugs on them?

Does the cap on the treble tone pot (the middle pot) have one leg connected to the case of that pot?

[Phostenix]

Oh, and are there only 2 wires connected to that toggle switch?

[ericluther]

Originally Posted by Phostenix

Oh, and are there only 2 wires connected to that toggle switch?

the wires on the new pups are as follows white/black neck, yellow/black middle, red/black bridge

yes the cap has one leg attached

all the pots have 3 prongs, but only 2 are used

yes only 2, however the is a black wire soldered to the "case" of it on the side, and it is unattached but looks like it may have gone to 5 way, not sure, but this may be why it didnt work

[Phostenix]

The black wire soldered to the case of the toggle should be connected to ground. It won't affect the switching if it's disconnected. It was probably soldered together with the ground wire for the 5-way.

Tell me more about how the pickups wires are actually connected. I don't see a yellow wire coming from the pickups.

And that white wire with the shrink tubing on it. What wires are being connected there?

[ericluther]

Originally Posted by Phostenix

The black wire soldered to the case of the toggle should be connected to ground. It won't affect the switching if it's disconnected. It was probably soldered together with the ground wire for the 5-way.

Tell me more about how the pickups wires are actually connected. I don't see a yellow wire coming from the pickups.

And that white wire with the shrink tubing on it. What wires are being connected there?

here are the current pups, the colors I explained are the new ones I want to put in, sorry if I got confused :)

the white wire with the shrink tubing is going to the 3rd tab of the 5 way

[Phostenix]

So, there's not another wire spliced in there with that wire? Is there another wire connected to the 3rd tab of the 5-way?

Have you tried what sjtalon suggested & tap a paper clip or small screwdriver on the pole pieces of the pickups to see which ones are actually on in the 5 positions?