buzz feiten?

[klutzee]

Anyone? Are they worth it or is a compensated bridge/saddles good enough?
Thanks

[Spoto]

make a big difference. The Bardens are my favorite.
The Buzz system seems like more smoke and mirrors to me but I may wrong. Everytime I ask about it I never get a clear answer.
Good luck.

[e-merlin]

I'm with Spoto. Compensated saddles will work. I'm not sold on the Buzz Feiten system. Anything involving the nut ceases to be effective when the string is fretted. The best remedy for intonation problems is low action and a good ear.

[Lyle Caldwell]

As far as nut height, you're correct. But as the Feiten system changes the lengths of the strings, it always has an effect even when fretted. A beneficial effect in my experience.

[Lance]

My PRSs have the Buzz system (moved nut) and all I can say is that the guitars sound MUCH more in tune than any other guitars I have....all the way up and down the neck.

[S0C7]

My buddy has a custom shop Washburn shred machine that is Feitzenized, and chording on that guitar sound so beautiful and even.

Would I do it on a 3-saddle tele? No, that's already compromised.

Would I do it to a six-saddle instrument (like my Albert Lee)? Damn straight I would!

[e-merlin]

Just my 2c here, but doesn't the Feitin system also require compensated tuning (I think that's the term)? I'd bet (and I don't think I'm the first to say it) that most of the benefit is from the compensated tuning.

[Spoto]

Korg makes special compensated tuner that works with Buzz system.
I'm still not convinced...

[Bob Rogers]

I don't know anything specific about the Buzz Feitin system, but since you intonate after you change the nut, you are changing the distance between the bridge and the frets at the same time. So you would have a difference even on fretted notes.

[e-merlin]

But that change is just moving the problem. If it works, great, I'm just saying that it probably works more because of the tuning than because of moving the nut.

Anyway, I like playing the devil's advocate.

[sevenstring_slinger]

It is 3 different things working at the same time: 1. The nut is closer--this helps the chords near the headstock. 2. You tune the guitar to an offset or compensated tuning. 3. The bridge saddles are compensated to Buzz's octave offsets--they are NOT exactly an octave higher like normal guitars.

[hippietim]

If you dwell on any chord long enough it will start to go out of tune no matter what you do - it either starts out sharp or ends up flat - take your pick. Buzz Feiten and Joe Barden saddles can't fix that - they will take your money however.

I'm working on my own scheme for tuning nirvana. If you'd like to be a tester, send me your guitar, $25 + return shipping, and I'll perform my magic. I can't divulge my secrets but suffice it to say that when I'm done with your guitar that you'll be amazed with the way it stays in tune like it always has before (provided you change strings regularly and tune it normally).

[rcrecelius]

I remember reading about the Buzz Feiten thing back when it first surfaced.
In the article they mentioned the 3 things involved...
MOving the nut
Special tempered tuning and
Tempered intonation

The article went on to say that they tried several different tests to see which aspect made the most difference.
They took a guitar with a "Feitenized" nut and tuned and intonated it to standard tuning. Sounded better then usual.
Took a non feiten guitar and intonated it to Feiten specs but tuned std...also sounded better than usual.
Non feiten guitar intonated std but tuned to Feiten specs...sounded better than usual.
Then they took the Feiten guitar and did all 3 steps and this guitar sounded more in tune than all the others.

So it appears to me that while any of the 3 Feiten will yield better than std results, they claim that all 3 together is the key.

Im just mentioning the details of that article, I have never played a guitar set up this way. I have asked luthiers about giving me the tuning specs and no one would do it, thay are secretive about it. i would like to try tuning and/or intonating my guitar with Feiten specs just to see if it made a difference so if any one would like to share that information...

[Lyle Caldwell]

If players tuned their own pianos, most would still be arguing that tempering is unneccesary. Feiten is really on to something.

[ComingApart]

So how exactly is the intonation set with the Feiten system? What is the tuning offset?
Or are these guarded secrets?

[Lyle Caldwell]

Nah, if you have your guitar "Feitenized" it comes with written offsets. Or you can buy a Korg DT-7 tuner which has a Feiten mode. You can probably find the offsets on the net.

[staxman]

http://164.195.100.11/netacgi/nph-Pa...S=PN/6,143,966