Where have all the Schallers gone?

cotecj · March 2nd, 2008, 07:35 PM

So, I decided I want to put Fender/Schaller locking tuners on my new Tele. It's got the non-locking Ping tuners with the two hidden pins. The Fender/Schaller lockers should drop right in. The problem is, everybody is out of stock on the shiny chrome ones. I emailed Steve at Angela.com, to see if he knew when they would be back in stock. Steve emailed me back to say that they were back in stock, but when I checked, the website says they are Ping tuners. I don't think they would be much of an improvement from the Ping's that I've got now. Question is, are the Schallers no more? Are they all going to be replaced by Fender/Ping tuners?

Guitarslinger1 · March 2nd, 2008, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by cotecj

So, I decided I want to put Fender/Schaller locking tuners on my new Tele. It's got the non-locking Ping tuners with the two hidden pins. The Fender/Schaller lockers should drop right in. The problem is, everybody is out of stock on the shiny chrome ones. I emailed Steve at Angela.com, to see if he knew when they would be back in stock. Steve emailed me back to say that they were back in stock, but when I checked, the website says they are Ping tuners. I don't think they would be much of an improvement from the Ping's that I've got now. Question is, are the Schallers no more? Are they all going to be replaced by Fender/Ping tuners?

Fender stopped receiving the lockers from Schaller months ago, so they contracted with Ping in Taiwan to provide them. They are all that has been available to dealers for some time.

Schaller has suffered from family squabbling and has dropped the ball on production. I wouldn't expect for see Schaller made Fender lockers any time soon.

pchilson · March 2nd, 2008, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by specialty guitars

Fender stopped receiving the lockers from Schaller months ago, so they contracted with Ping in Taiwan to provide them. They are all that has been available to dealers for some time.

Schaller has suffered from family squabbling and has dropped the ball on production. I wouldn't expect for see Schaller made Fender lockers any time soon.

@ specialty guitars, you show the Fender Schaller Locking Tuners on your website. Are they available from you or are they "out of stock'?

Rob DiStefano · March 2nd, 2008, 10:55 PM

You will definitely finder Schaller or Fender Schaller 6-inline rear locking tuners - but you won't find Schaller 3x3 rear lockers until their (Schaller) Asian production gets stoked up and running. Too bad, Schaller rear lockers are about the best, with Planet Waves a close second.

Guitarslinger1 · March 3rd, 2008, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by pchilson

@ specialty guitars, you show the Fender Schaller Locking Tuners on your website. Are they available from you or are they "out of stock'?

We now have the "Schaller style" Fender locking tuners made by Ping, same as everyone else. Haven't gotten around to changing the text on the site, but then, neither has anyone else...

The Ping version of the chrome plated have the "F" on the locking knob. The brushed chrome are hard tell from the Schallers unless you can look at them closely. Some of the techs at Fender have told me that they feel the Pings are better made, to tighter tolerances. I haven't had a chance to compare for myself.

"You will definitely finder Schaller or Fender Schaller 6-inline rear locking tuners"

Rob, if you know of any sources that still have the actual Schaller, made in Germany, Fender lockers in stock, please tell us who they are.

cotecj · March 3rd, 2008, 08:31 AM

I found a set of tuners on ebay, sold as 2008 Fender Schaller locking tuners. Any way to tell if they are actually Schallers, or Pings?

pchilson · March 3rd, 2008, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by specialty guitars

We now have the "Schaller style" Fender locking tuners made by Ping, same as everyone else. Haven't gotten around to changing the text on the site, but then, neither has anyone else...

Thank you for this info.

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Originally Posted by Rob DiStefano

You will definitely finder Schaller or Fender Schaller 6-inline rear locking tuners - but you won't find Schaller 3x3 rear lockers until their (Schaller) Asian production gets stoked up and running. Too bad, Schaller rear lockers are about the best, with Planet Waves a close second.

Rob, do you know a website where can a guy get the real Schallers from?

Thanks

I don't know if one is better than the other or not.
I do object to a website adverting a product they know they don't have. No excuses for this.

blackshoe1 · March 3rd, 2008, 11:30 AM

I have a telecaster MIM and was looking for the same chrome shaller locking tuners. Everybody was out. MusiciansFriend showed them on backorder through 2-9-08. I couple of weeks ago I saw that they were in stock so I ordered them. They came in a Fender package but said "Made in Taiwan" on the back of the package. There description said nothing about them being staggered but when I received the package 4 were of one height and 2 were of another. I'm actually glad about that. They looked nice, felt sturdy and were an easy swap out. They lock and they tune and they are a better product than the Ping tuners my MIM came with. I do seem to have a dead spot (meaning kind of a lot of play with no result) on the D string. I tried swaping the D/E tuners and have the same issue. Other than that (which seems to be common regardless of tuners) they are nice.

cotecj · March 3rd, 2008, 11:32 AM

Blackshoe1, are the tuners you got 4 short and 2 tall? I bet they are Pings...

blackshoe1 · March 3rd, 2008, 11:36 AM

yes they are...did I get hosed?

cotecj · March 3rd, 2008, 11:45 AM

I don't think you got hosed, I just think they are Ping tuners. If they work for you, then don't worry about it. I just bought a set of tuners that were sold as Schallers on ebay for big bucks, and now I'm afraid that they aren't the real deal.

By the way, do your tuners have the "F" on the locking knobs?

GilmourD · March 3rd, 2008, 12:04 PM

All I have to say is that the Ping of today is definitely not the Ping of 10 years ago. Their quality has gone WAY up. That's why Floyd Rose himself actually has Original Floyd Roses made by Ping, now, as well as Schaller. They're the only company allowed to put the FR logo on the trem besides Schaller.

blackshoe1 · March 3rd, 2008, 12:08 PM

Yes, they have the "F" on the locking knob. I'm pleased with the quality of the tuners....just didn't know they were made in Taiwan until I received them.

Guitarslinger1 · March 3rd, 2008, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by cotecj

I don't think you got hosed, I just think they are Ping tuners. If they work for you, then don't worry about it. I just bought a set of tuners that were sold as Schallers on ebay for big bucks, and now I'm afraid that they aren't the real deal.

By the way, do your tuners have the "F" on the locking knobs?

Only the chrome plated Pings have the "F" on the locking knob. The brushed chrome Pings, the brushed chrome Schallers, and the chrome plated Schallers do not have the "F".

So unfortunately, the "F" only helps differentiate between the chrome plated Ping and Schallers.

As I mentioned earlier, the techs at Fender say the Pings are an improvement. They have tighter gear lockup, and are designed so that the locking knob can not be unscrewed so that it falls off and gets lost.

On a related note, I was told by a vendor that Gibson, who used Schaller TOM bridges on most models, as had to switch to Asian manufactured bridges because Schaller stopped supplying them.

My advice, forget trying to buy "NOS" Fender Schallers on thEbay. No matter what you get, if you paid above the typical retail price, you're getting ripped off.

cotecj · March 3rd, 2008, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by specialty guitars

My advice, forget trying to buy "NOS" Fender Schallers on thEbay. No matter what you get, if you paid above the typical retail price, you're getting ripped off.

Good to know. Wish I had known this yesterday

blackshoe1 · March 3rd, 2008, 12:55 PM

I don't think you'll be disappointed with the one's you ordered. I'm happy with the one's I got and that's all that matters. Made in Germany, made in Taiwan, made in USA....as long as they are well made.

pchilson · March 3rd, 2008, 07:08 PM

So if the Pings are better than the Schallers then thats fine and good. Still, I would be a little ticked if I ordered what I was led to believe were Shallers and received anything but while the vendor is well aware of it but not disclosing such. No soup for you!!!

tazzboy · March 3rd, 2008, 10:17 PM

I'm glad I got my Schaller locking straps not to change the subject.

bowlfreshener · March 3rd, 2008, 10:19 PM

You can find just about anything on eBay:

http://search.ebay.com/search/search...ers&category0=

MulliganChebichev · March 4th, 2008, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by tazzboy

I'm glad I got my Schaller locking straps not to change the subject.

Yikes! That reminds me to stock up!

BTW I have the F lockers and the only problem I have with them is that now I can't live without lockers...more money out of my pocket.

March 2nd, 2008, 07:35 PM	#1 (permalink)
cotecj Tele-Meister Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Maine Age: 31 Posts: 258	Where have all the Schallers gone? So, I decided I want to put Fender/Schaller locking tuners on my new Tele. It's got the non-locking Ping tuners with the two hidden pins. The Fender/Schaller lockers should drop right in. The problem is, everybody is out of stock on the shiny chrome ones. I emailed Steve at Angela.com, to see if he knew when they would be back in stock. Steve emailed me back to say that they were back in stock, but when I checked, the website says they are Ping tuners. I don't think they would be much of an improvement from the Ping's that I've got now. Question is, are the Schallers no more? Are they all going to be replaced by Fender/Ping tuners?

March 3rd, 2008, 12:04 PM	#12 (permalink)
GilmourD Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Nutley, NJ Age: 29 Posts: 1,568	All I have to say is that the Ping of today is definitely not the Ping of 10 years ago. Their quality has gone WAY up. That's why Floyd Rose himself actually has Original Floyd Roses made by Ping, now, as well as Schaller. They're the only company allowed to put the FR logo on the trem besides Schaller. __________________ Good deals: Joel Terry Layla Skye Sunny Wally Franky Honey Wolfy

March 3rd, 2008, 10:17 PM	#18 (permalink)
tazzboy Friend of Leo's Join Date: May 2005 Location: Eugene, Oregon Age: 31 Posts: 3,188	I'm glad I got my Schaller locking straps not to change the subject. __________________ tazzboy

March 3rd, 2008, 10:19 PM	#19 (permalink)
bowlfreshener Tele-Afflicted Join Date: May 2007 Location: Virginia, USA Age: 33 Posts: 1,551 6 Photos	You can find just about anything on eBay: http://search.ebay.com/search/search...ers&category0= __________________ RAMA LAMA FA FA FA

March 2nd, 2008, 10:55 PM	#4 (permalink)
Rob DiStefano Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Park Ridge, NJ Age: 62 Posts: 4,788	You will definitely finder Schaller or Fender Schaller 6-inline rear locking tuners - but you won't find Schaller 3x3 rear lockers until their (Schaller) Asian production gets stoked up and running. Too bad, Schaller rear lockers are about the best, with Planet Waves a close second.

March 3rd, 2008, 08:31 AM	#6 (permalink)
cotecj Tele-Meister Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Maine Age: 31 Posts: 258	I found a set of tuners on ebay, sold as 2008 Fender Schaller locking tuners. Any way to tell if they are actually Schallers, or Pings?

March 3rd, 2008, 11:30 AM	#8 (permalink)
blackshoe1 TDPRI Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: flemington, nj Age: 51 Posts: 54	I have a telecaster MIM and was looking for the same chrome shaller locking tuners. Everybody was out. MusiciansFriend showed them on backorder through 2-9-08. I couple of weeks ago I saw that they were in stock so I ordered them. They came in a Fender package but said "Made in Taiwan" on the back of the package. There description said nothing about them being staggered but when I received the package 4 were of one height and 2 were of another. I'm actually glad about that. They looked nice, felt sturdy and were an easy swap out. They lock and they tune and they are a better product than the Ping tuners my MIM came with. I do seem to have a dead spot (meaning kind of a lot of play with no result) on the D string. I tried swaping the D/E tuners and have the same issue. Other than that (which seems to be common regardless of tuners) they are nice.

March 3rd, 2008, 11:32 AM	#9 (permalink)
cotecj Tele-Meister Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Maine Age: 31 Posts: 258	Blackshoe1, are the tuners you got 4 short and 2 tall? I bet they are Pings...

March 3rd, 2008, 11:36 AM	#10 (permalink)
blackshoe1 TDPRI Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: flemington, nj Age: 51 Posts: 54	yes they are...did I get hosed?

March 3rd, 2008, 11:45 AM	#11 (permalink)
cotecj Tele-Meister Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Maine Age: 31 Posts: 258	I don't think you got hosed, I just think they are Ping tuners. If they work for you, then don't worry about it. I just bought a set of tuners that were sold as Schallers on ebay for big bucks, and now I'm afraid that they aren't the real deal. By the way, do your tuners have the "F" on the locking knobs?

March 3rd, 2008, 12:08 PM	#13 (permalink)
blackshoe1 TDPRI Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: flemington, nj Age: 51 Posts: 54	Yes, they have the "F" on the locking knob. I'm pleased with the quality of the tuners....just didn't know they were made in Taiwan until I received them.

March 3rd, 2008, 12:55 PM	#16 (permalink)
blackshoe1 TDPRI Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: flemington, nj Age: 51 Posts: 54	I don't think you'll be disappointed with the one's you ordered. I'm happy with the one's I got and that's all that matters. Made in Germany, made in Taiwan, made in USA....as long as they are well made.

March 3rd, 2008, 07:08 PM	#17 (permalink)
pchilson Tele-Holic Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Loveland, Colorado Age: 50 Posts: 875	So if the Pings are better than the Schallers then thats fine and good. Still, I would be a little ticked if I ordered what I was led to believe were Shallers and received anything but while the vendor is well aware of it but not disclosing such. No soup for you!!!