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esquire_player52 · November 8th, 2003, 11:19 PM

to wire a tele for modern wiring then pull the pot and wired like a 52?

Strat82 · November 9th, 2003, 03:07 PM

i don't think you can do that, but i'm not sure why you would want to

Kevin · November 9th, 2003, 05:27 PM

If what you're wanting to do is kick in an extra capacitor, then yes; you can do that with a push/pull (or push/push) pot.

The actual 52RI wiring, though is: pos 1, bridge with tone; pos 2, neck with tone; pos 3, neck with bassy sound. There's no blend of both pups.

As I said, though, you can simulate the "bassy" sound with a cap. Fender used a .1mfd cap; in my diagram I am using a .0047mfd cap to simulate a "normal" tone control rolled halfway off. You'd want to substitute a .1mfd cap for that. Note that there's a treble bleed cap in the diagram that you may want to omit.

Actually, you could do this with either the volume or tone pots; in the diagram, I used the volume cos it was for a single-knob guitar.

esquire_player52 · November 9th, 2003, 07:03 PM

what i want to be able to do is

neck positon: neck with preset bassy sound
middle position: neck with natural sound/no tone
bridge position:whatever its supposed to be

pull the push pull pot or vice versa

neck position:neck pup w/tone
middle position:both pups w/tone
bridge position:bridge pup w/tone

i think itd be cool and since i'm building a guitar (i'm not even done with the blank yet so i got a ways to go) i'm just trying to get vintage and modern wiring so i can play old songs with the right tone without switchin guitars. and i want the deaf eddie thing in my current tele i hope this makes sense and any help would be greatly appreciated

Kevin · November 9th, 2003, 07:54 PM

No; you can't do that.

Think about how the stock switch works. It's not possible.

The diagram I gave you will give you all of those sounds, but you have to work the switches a bit more.

esquire_player52 · November 9th, 2003, 08:54 PM

since its gonna be in the guitar i'm gonna build it doens't have to any certain switch just if theres a way to do it with a push pull pot (i think it would be easier to know where i'm at) but if its not possible at all with any kind of switch i may think of some other wiring i want

sry if this is botherin u

Kevin · November 9th, 2003, 11:27 PM

You aren't bothering me. It's just that the extra switch has to either turn on or turn off the cap. It can't have it on in one switch position (on the other switch) and off in another.

The other thing you want the switch to do is to ground the bridge pickup's output in the middle postion of the 52 wiring (so that you only have the neck pup in that position), but, again, the mini-switch operates independently of the the three-way; if it grounds the bridge pup's output, it's grounded in all three positions -- not just the one.

The type of switching you are asking for would require interdependent switches, which would probably require them to be active switches. It's not a bad idea, it's just one that you can't make work....

Now, there are some things that could be done with a four- or five-way superswitch from Stew Mac (those are four pole switches) where you quite possibly could get all of the sounds that you're after -- just not the way that you want them.

Again, though, all you'll really gain from the complicated wiring that you are talking about is a big (.1mf) cap on the neck pup. That can be done with a mini switch and a cap -- just like I originally suggested.

If I could offer some more general advice -- and I don't mean to sound harsh, here -- sometimes you just need to accept that something can't be done exactly as you want it. Sometimes you ask a question and get an answer, but then you don't accept the answer you're give. I want to help you out and help you learn about your guitar -- that's why I keep answering your questions. I learned about guitars by haning out with the repairman at the local shop when I was a teenager, and reading Erlewine's columns in Guitar Player (which, BTW, are now in the Guitar Player Repair Guide); your curiosity reminds me of my own when I was your age.

People around here -- many more knowledgeable than me -- will help you come up with the best solution, if you'll give us a chance.

Shoot, if we can come up with a switchng system that fits your needs, I'll even wire it for you....

esquire_player52 · November 10th, 2003, 03:33 AM

ah i think i get it now. sry not real smart yet

let me think if theres any other wirings i might want like i said i got plenty of time. prob 3 or 4 months or longer since i ain't got a job. need christmas money. thanks for the help

Deaf Eddie · November 10th, 2003, 03:21 PM

Hey, esquire_player52,

You mentioned that you were gonna use the "Deaf Eddie" switch - I don't make the switch, that's just one of my schemes for the StewMac SuperSwitch (five-throw/ four-pole) that Kevin mentions... So it ain't gonna be a three-throw switch like a "stock" Tele has in any case...

Be that as it may, Kevin is right, I bet with that SuperSwitch and a push/pull we could certainly come up with a scheme that would get you all the TONES you wanted, just perhaps not exactly WHERE you want them on the switching...

E-mail me when you get close to doing the actual wiring, I bet we'll come up with something that does what you want.

Meantime, keep on asking them questions!
We ALL learn when someone asks a question...

esquire_player52 · November 10th, 2003, 03:48 PM

i knew u didnt make the deaf eddie switch thats just what its commonly referred to as around here so thats what i say.

i figured there was a way to get all those tones i just wanted the push pull pot to make it easier to remeber what tone is where ya know? i can always draw a map! thanks for the help.

oh and can i get rid of some hum by running a wire from bridge to control plate or something like that?

Deaf Eddie · November 10th, 2003, 04:22 PM

Every correctly wired guitar has a wire from bridge assembly to the guitar's ground, to ground the strings. It's rare to find even a cheap-o out there anymore that doesn't have one.

If your guitar is correctly wired but still buzzes more than you can deal with - that's the break-point, because all single coil axes are gonna buzzz a LITTLE - then there are a few other mods to quiet down a noisy axe.

The most common, I believe, is to shield the control cavity and pup routs. There are two common techniques: adhesive conductive foil, and conductive paint. I use adhesive foil myself, I find the application of it actually fun, for some odd reason. You can get it at almost any good guitar parts shop - stewmac.com is my go-to place.

I think the next most common mod is to "star-ground" the axe. I haven't done this myself, but I believe the idea is to have a single path for each component's ground back to a central connection, thus eliminating ground loops. So, you bring the ground into the control cavity, solder it to a pot or whatever, and then run yer ground wire jumpers all out to the components from that spot - no "daisy-chaining." PERSONALLY, I think the fact that on a Tele you have a conductive, metal control plate that the pots are mounted to is gonna blow this ground-loop idea out of the water, anyway. And, I always run a ground wire, too, just because that's the way I've always done it... yup, I'm just an old fart, set in my ways....
Anybody else wanna chime in here?

esquire_player52 · November 10th, 2003, 04:59 PM

now i just need some cash couple thousand oughta do me

November 8th, 2003, 11:19 PM	#1 (permalink)
esquire_player52 Tele-Meister Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 482	can i use a push pull pot? to wire a tele for modern wiring then pull the pot and wired like a 52? __________________ let's let love give what it gives

November 9th, 2003, 03:07 PM	#2 (permalink)
Strat82 Tele-Meister Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: In the Southwest Age: 27 Posts: 374	hmm, my guess is no i don't think you can do that, but i'm not sure why you would want to

November 9th, 2003, 07:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
esquire_player52 Tele-Meister Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 482	what i want to be able to do is neck positon: neck with preset bassy sound middle position: neck with natural sound/no tone bridge position:whatever its supposed to be pull the push pull pot or vice versa neck position:neck pup w/tone middle position:both pups w/tone bridge position:bridge pup w/tone i think itd be cool and since i'm building a guitar (i'm not even done with the blank yet so i got a ways to go) i'm just trying to get vintage and modern wiring so i can play old songs with the right tone without switchin guitars. and i want the deaf eddie thing in my current tele i hope this makes sense and any help would be greatly appreciated __________________ let's let love give what it gives

November 9th, 2003, 08:54 PM	#6 (permalink)
esquire_player52 Tele-Meister Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 482	since its gonna be in the guitar i'm gonna build it doens't have to any certain switch just if theres a way to do it with a push pull pot (i think it would be easier to know where i'm at) but if its not possible at all with any kind of switch i may think of some other wiring i want sry if this is botherin u __________________ let's let love give what it gives

November 10th, 2003, 03:33 AM	#8 (permalink)
esquire_player52 Tele-Meister Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 482	ah ah i think i get it now. sry not real smart yet let me think if theres any other wirings i might want like i said i got plenty of time. prob 3 or 4 months or longer since i ain't got a job. need christmas money. thanks for the help __________________ let's let love give what it gives

November 9th, 2003, 05:27 PM	#3 (permalink)
Kevin Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Terre Haute, IN Posts: 2,967	If what you're wanting to do is kick in an extra capacitor, then yes; you can do that with a push/pull (or push/push) pot. The actual 52RI wiring, though is: pos 1, bridge with tone; pos 2, neck with tone; pos 3, neck with bassy sound. There's no blend of both pups. As I said, though, you can simulate the "bassy" sound with a cap. Fender used a .1mfd cap; in my diagram I am using a .0047mfd cap to simulate a "normal" tone control rolled halfway off. You'd want to substitute a .1mfd cap for that. Note that there's a treble bleed cap in the diagram that you may want to omit. Actually, you could do this with either the volume or tone pots; in the diagram, I used the volume cos it was for a single-knob guitar.

November 9th, 2003, 07:54 PM	#5 (permalink)
Kevin Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Terre Haute, IN Posts: 2,967	No; you can't do that. Think about how the stock switch works. It's not possible. The diagram I gave you will give you all of those sounds, but you have to work the switches a bit more.

November 9th, 2003, 11:27 PM	#7 (permalink)
Kevin Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Terre Haute, IN Posts: 2,967	You aren't bothering me. It's just that the extra switch has to either turn on or turn off the cap. It can't have it on in one switch position (on the other switch) and off in another. The other thing you want the switch to do is to ground the bridge pickup's output in the middle postion of the 52 wiring (so that you only have the neck pup in that position), but, again, the mini-switch operates independently of the the three-way; if it grounds the bridge pup's output, it's grounded in all three positions -- not just the one. The type of switching you are asking for would require interdependent switches, which would probably require them to be active switches. It's not a bad idea, it's just one that you can't make work.... Now, there are some things that could be done with a four- or five-way superswitch from Stew Mac (those are four pole switches) where you quite possibly could get all of the sounds that you're after -- just not the way that you want them. Again, though, all you'll really gain from the complicated wiring that you are talking about is a big (.1mf) cap on the neck pup. That can be done with a mini switch and a cap -- just like I originally suggested. If I could offer some more general advice -- and I don't mean to sound harsh, here -- sometimes you just need to accept that something can't be done exactly as you want it. Sometimes you ask a question and get an answer, but then you don't accept the answer you're give. I want to help you out and help you learn about your guitar -- that's why I keep answering your questions. I learned about guitars by haning out with the repairman at the local shop when I was a teenager, and reading Erlewine's columns in Guitar Player (which, BTW, are now in the Guitar Player Repair Guide); your curiosity reminds me of my own when I was your age. People around here -- many more knowledgeable than me -- will help you come up with the best solution, if you'll give us a chance. Shoot, if we can come up with a switchng system that fits your needs, I'll even wire it for you....

November 10th, 2003, 03:21 PM	#9 (permalink)
Deaf Eddie Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sunny San Diego, CA Posts: 1,741 14 Photos	Hey, esquire_player52, You mentioned that you were gonna use the "Deaf Eddie" switch - I don't make the switch, that's just one of my schemes for the StewMac SuperSwitch (five-throw/ four-pole) that Kevin mentions... So it ain't gonna be a three-throw switch like a "stock" Tele has in any case... Be that as it may, Kevin is right, I bet with that SuperSwitch and a push/pull we could certainly come up with a scheme that would get you all the TONES you wanted, just perhaps not exactly WHERE you want them on the switching... E-mail me when you get close to doing the actual wiring, I bet we'll come up with something that does what you want. Meantime, keep on asking them questions! We ALL learn when someone asks a question...

November 10th, 2003, 03:48 PM	#10 (permalink)
esquire_player52 Tele-Meister Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 482	ya i knew u didnt make the deaf eddie switch thats just what its commonly referred to as around here so thats what i say. i figured there was a way to get all those tones i just wanted the push pull pot to make it easier to remeber what tone is where ya know? i can always draw a map! thanks for the help. oh and can i get rid of some hum by running a wire from bridge to control plate or something like that? __________________ let's let love give what it gives

November 10th, 2003, 04:22 PM	#11 (permalink)
Deaf Eddie Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sunny San Diego, CA Posts: 1,741 14 Photos	buzzzzzzzzzing Every correctly wired guitar has a wire from bridge assembly to the guitar's ground, to ground the strings. It's rare to find even a cheap-o out there anymore that doesn't have one. If your guitar is correctly wired but still buzzes more than you can deal with - that's the break-point, because all single coil axes are gonna buzzz a LITTLE - then there are a few other mods to quiet down a noisy axe. The most common, I believe, is to shield the control cavity and pup routs. There are two common techniques: adhesive conductive foil, and conductive paint. I use adhesive foil myself, I find the application of it actually fun, for some odd reason. You can get it at almost any good guitar parts shop - stewmac.com is my go-to place. I think the next most common mod is to "star-ground" the axe. I haven't done this myself, but I believe the idea is to have a single path for each component's ground back to a central connection, thus eliminating ground loops. So, you bring the ground into the control cavity, solder it to a pot or whatever, and then run yer ground wire jumpers all out to the components from that spot - no "daisy-chaining." PERSONALLY, I think the fact that on a Tele you have a conductive, metal control plate that the pots are mounted to is gonna blow this ground-loop idea out of the water, anyway. And, I always run a ground wire, too, just because that's the way I've always done it... yup, I'm just an old fart, set in my ways.... Anybody else wanna chime in here?

November 10th, 2003, 04:59 PM	#12 (permalink)
esquire_player52 Tele-Meister Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 482	thanks now i just need some cash couple thousand oughta do me __________________ let's let love give what it gives

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