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Buckocaster51 · March 12th, 2007, 01:28 PM

Yup.

A monster.

Regular and baritone necks.

Anybody have any idea on what I should make the distance between necks? Longitudinal centerline to centerline.

That seems critical.

Everything else is just details.

Thanks much

Steve Dikkers
aka Buckocaster51

all_identaties_taken · March 12th, 2007, 01:30 PM

I think that you should maybe look up the detials on the Fender custom shop double neck strat from about 1989. This was a one off but might be a good resource?

jwells393 · March 12th, 2007, 07:40 PM

I've got a question for you ...................... WHY?

Sleph · March 12th, 2007, 08:04 PM

...sounds like an interesting project.
I think something to consider is not only how far apart to make the necks but also at what angle to make them.

I think double neck SGs have the necks almost parallel but other makers, like Hamer splay them a bit so that rather than having to stretch down to use the second neck you just tilt the guitar up and the guitar strap will slide around your back...making the second position as comfortable to play as the first.
(hope that makes sense)

Stuco · March 12th, 2007, 08:06 PM

NOOOOoooooooOOO!

Just kidding. Look forward to seeing it.

getbent · March 12th, 2007, 08:08 PM

bucko, its my dream to have a double 12 and 6.. warmoth has the bodies, you might be able to get the spec there.

furrfurrfurr · March 12th, 2007, 08:11 PM

can't wait to see how this thread progresses.

can't wait to see the final product.

good luck.

jwells393 · March 12th, 2007, 08:26 PM

Here's a cropping from the Warmoth picture. You know the neck pocket is 3 inches long. You should be able to determine the distance between the neck pockets. Get it right or you'll be making your own pickguard. That's probably the best idea anyway.

...............DoubleT.jpg

I still wonder why someone would want to build such a monstrosity ............. must be the challenge.

I get 2.525 in. between neck pockets. Add 2 3/16 in. for centerlines.

aznrambo481 · March 12th, 2007, 08:37 PM

oh wow I can feel this is going to be intense.

Look at the warmoth doublenecks. You should be able to get a general picture

Good luck!

getbent · March 12th, 2007, 09:14 PM

boy, this is exciting! It will be fun to watch it develop... too bad it idn't 12/6 tho.

Iamblichus · March 12th, 2007, 09:32 PM

Have you considered an angle between the two necks. One benifit is more clearance for tuners without a large distance between heels. Another is the radial feel between shifting necks. The guitar rotates a bit rather than reaching for a parallel neck axis. Just a thought.

jwells393 · March 12th, 2007, 09:45 PM

Quote:

One benifit is more clearance for tuners without a large distance between heels.

You make some good points but tuner clearance is not a problem with Telecaster necks

getbent · March 12th, 2007, 09:49 PM

I vote (not that I have a vote) parallel.. it will look great and it will play just fine. Angled looks too rube goldberg.

Big Tony · March 12th, 2007, 09:50 PM

And we want LOTS of pictures!

/ Tony

theshredermaster · March 12th, 2007, 09:53 PM

make it half thinline!

aznrambo481 · March 12th, 2007, 09:55 PM

Also, angled would probably make it more tricky aligining the bridge, etc. The desigin would definitely be more difficult.

I'm all for the idea! My dream partscaster is the P-bass/strat doubleneck body from warmoth. I want to see how this would work out!

Buckocaster51 · March 12th, 2007, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwells393

I've got a question for you ...................... WHY?

Well, why not?

I hadn't even thought about checking out the old Warmoth site. That will be a good reference.

Pickguard WILL be interesting.

There won't be ANYTHING fast about this.

It is a for-sure summertime project. I am just trying to do some homework.

Remember the Ramans? They always did things in threes.

That's a joke.

But there will have to be at least two.

First one will have to have masonite/mdf "goof up the cheap stuff" body.

Thanks for all of the ideas kids.

russpurdy · March 12th, 2007, 11:36 PM

hey buck, not sure if you've seen these pics or not but Danny Gatton had himself a double neck (one bass VI, one regular) tele made and you can check it out here, just scroll down and you'll see it.
http://www.dannygatton.com/guitars.html

the body shape may not be what your looking for but it gives you a rough possibility for a layout.

jwells393 · March 13th, 2007, 10:41 AM

Looks to me like your project would be much like the Danny Gatton double-neck. Your lower neck would just be a little shorter.

..................

WisconsinStrings · March 13th, 2007, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buckocaster51

But there will have to be at least two.

First one will have to have masonite/mdf "goof up the cheap stuff" body.

I'd go with PDF for the cheap body. :)

This should be cool. Please take lots of pics.

jwells393 · March 13th, 2007, 03:35 PM

Quote:

I'd go with PDF for the cheap body. :)

A Portable Document File body .......... Hmmmmm..........

Buckocaster51 · March 13th, 2007, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WisconsinStrings

I'd go with PDF for the cheap body. :)

Okay.

Enough about that already.

Really.

That was the "Old" Buckocaster that made that mistake.

The "New" Buckocaster wood never do anything so laim.

getbent · March 13th, 2007, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buckocaster51

Remember the Ramans?

the Ramans? I remember them like it was yestiddy. They was TOPS

doin' things in threes... I guess that'd work if you got lots and lots of hot water.

WisconsinStrings · March 13th, 2007, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buckocaster51

Okay.

Enough about that already.

Really.

That was the "Old" Buckocaster that made that mistake.

The "New" Buckocaster wood never do anything so laim.

lol

Sorry... I couldn't resist.

Buckocaster51 · March 13th, 2007, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by getbent

the Ramans? I remember them like it was yestiddy. They was TOPS

doin' things in threes... I guess that'd work if you got lots and lots of hot water.

"And on far-off Earth, Dr. Carlisle Perera had as yet told no one how he had woken from a restless sleep with the message from his subconscious still echoing in his brain: The Ramans do everything in threes."

Buckocaster51 · March 13th, 2007, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwells393

Looks to me like your project would be much like the Danny Gatton double-neck. Your lower neck would just be a little shorter.

..................

Yup. That's the guitar.

Except of course mine will be painted some wacky color, have a shorter baritone neck (probably an Alparts) and only have two pickups per neck.

Sleph · March 14th, 2007, 06:29 AM

Quote:

Angled looks too rube goldberg.

whats a rube goldberg?

chickenpicker · March 14th, 2007, 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sleph

whats a rube goldberg?

See, I had to ask that once too. Over here we had a guy called William Heath-Robinson who designed ridiculous contraptions to perform simple tasks. Thus, odd contraptions are referred to as "Heath-Robinson". The Americans had a guy called Rube Goldberg.

Google them both - they're very entertaining.

Home Grown Tele · March 14th, 2007, 05:40 PM

Oooh, I smell another 50 page Buckocaster thread coming pretty soon!

Bucko, you are the best! Keep us all posted on this one. I can't wait to see the work!

Clive Hugh · March 15th, 2007, 08:48 AM

Bucko, go for it, I have lusted after a baritone for some time, that would be a good project, be a bit heavy tho'.
Clive

franchelB · March 15th, 2007, 10:27 AM

Go for it!

gumbo · March 15th, 2007, 10:38 AM

Yeah...thought about doin' one of those down here...but of course I'd have to have the necks the other way up.......

NewOldStock · March 15th, 2007, 07:24 PM

Quote:

ridiculous contraptions to perform simple tasks.

Yep, the quick definition is, "To complicated the simplest of tasks".

Also, according to Paul Harvey, the only full name found in Websters Dictionary.
There's annual competitions for such ideas/contraptions.

Buckocaster51 · June 20th, 2007, 09:55 PM

The time has come to conquer this beast. Still don't know exactly how far apart the necks are...but I did do this...

I took Terry Downs' .pdf file of the Telecaster and combined it with a very low resolution picture of a Warmoth doubleneck body.

I lined up the screw holes in the neck pocket. Drew a centerline for the second neck, and measured the distance between centerlines on the grid.

Came up with 4.75 inches.

anybody see anything wrong with my methodology?

this .jpg is at 50%

please ignore the pink background. My copy of Photoshop sort of does stuff like that all by itself.

jwells393 · June 20th, 2007, 10:02 PM

Looks good to me ..............

tdowns · June 20th, 2007, 11:36 PM

Cool Bucko. I can't wait to see it.

YOU are a baddd dude! I used a similar method to determine the Brent Mason's pickup spacing way back when I was making the Brent Caster.

I printed out the picture as large as possible
Measured everything I knew the size of on the picture with the dial calipers (Strat PU length, string spacing at bridge, and bridge width)
I calculated a scale factor based on the averaged 3 results
Measured what I was interested in
Then scaled it down by the factor

Good luck.

Rizo · June 20th, 2007, 11:53 PM

You may want to seriuosly consider making it a thinline or a semi hollwo body or something. Maybe have an arm contour or a tummy cut...

That's going to weigh a TON!

Buckocaster51 · June 21st, 2007, 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rizo

That's going to weigh a TON!

Yes it is.

Yes it is.

Buckocaster51 · June 21st, 2007, 01:03 AM

I think I have a plan!

As I mentioned above, I took a .jpg from the Warmoth site, and superimposed it on top of Terry Downs' Telecaster plan.

A little tugging. A little stretching - and things were lined up pretty good.

So I printed out a bunch of sheets, sticky-glued them together and VIOLA!

I think I am ready to make a template so I can make an MDF mockup.

It will be big.

Like Rizo said, it will weigh a ton!

Sleph · June 21st, 2007, 01:10 AM

tension's building................

March 12th, 2007, 01:28 PM	#1 (permalink)
Buckocaster51 Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Iowa USA Age: 57 Posts: 8,400 1 Photos	Gonna build me a double-neck tele Yup. A monster. Regular and baritone necks. Anybody have any idea on what I should make the distance between necks? Longitudinal centerline to centerline. That seems critical. Everything else is just details. Thanks much Steve Dikkers aka Buckocaster51 __________________ "If you can't say something nice... don't say nothing at all." - Thumper the Rabbit "An awfully lot of time can be wasted waiting for the right time." - Gunsmoke's Doc Adams

March 12th, 2007, 01:30 PM	#2 (permalink)
all_identaties_taken Tele-Holic Join Date: May 2006 Location: London, UK Posts: 867	I think that you should maybe look up the detials on the Fender custom shop double neck strat from about 1989. This was a one off but might be a good resource? __________________ John. „Als das Kind Kind war, ging es mit hängenden Armen, wollte der Bach sei ein Fluß, der Fluß sei ein Strom, und diese Pfütze das Meer." ~ Lied Vom Kindsein – Peter Handke

March 12th, 2007, 07:40 PM	#3 (permalink)
jwells393 Doctor of Teleocity Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Albuquerque, USA Age: 65 Posts: 14,282 101 Photos	I've got a question for you ...................... *WHY?* __________________ Jack's Disclaimer: When I say something.... always ask yourself ..... "What the hell does he know?" I'm just not cool enough to be a Mac person.

March 12th, 2007, 08:26 PM	#8 (permalink)
jwells393 Doctor of Teleocity Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Albuquerque, USA Age: 65 Posts: 14,282 101 Photos	Here's a cropping from the Warmoth picture. You know the neck pocket is 3 inches long. You should be able to determine the distance between the neck pockets. Get it right or you'll be making your own pickguard. That's probably the best idea anyway. ...............DoubleT.jpg I still wonder why someone would want to build such a monstrosity ............. must be the challenge. I get 2.525 in. between neck pockets. Add 2 3/16 in. for centerlines. __________________ Jack's Disclaimer: When I say something.... always ask yourself ..... "What the hell does he know?" I'm just not cool enough to be a Mac person.

March 12th, 2007, 08:37 PM	#9 (permalink)
aznrambo481 Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: La Jolla, California Age: 18 Posts: 2,902 6 Photos	oh wow I can feel this is going to be intense. Look at the warmoth doublenecks. You should be able to get a general picture Good luck! __________________ Check out my bands, and feel free to PM me comments on them! The Eclectics (guitar/vocals) SLIP (bass)

March 12th, 2007, 08:04 PM	#4 (permalink)
Sleph Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 1,202 6 Photos	...sounds like an interesting project. I think something to consider is not only how far apart to make the necks but also at what angle to make them. I think double neck SGs have the necks almost parallel but other makers, like Hamer splay them a bit so that rather than having to stretch down to use the second neck you just tilt the guitar up and the guitar strap will slide around your back...making the second position as comfortable to play as the first. (hope that makes sense)

March 12th, 2007, 08:06 PM	#5 (permalink)
Stuco Friend of Leo's Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: GA Posts: 4,228	NOOOOoooooooOOO! Just kidding. Look forward to seeing it.

March 12th, 2007, 08:08 PM	#6 (permalink)
getbent Moderator Doctor of Teleocity Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: San Benito County, California Posts: 13,680 37 Photos	bucko, its my dream to have a double 12 and 6.. warmoth has the bodies, you might be able to get the spec there.

March 12th, 2007, 08:11 PM	#7 (permalink)
furrfurrfurr Friend of Leo's Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: South of Heaven Posts: 3,096	can't wait to see how this thread progresses. can't wait to see the final product. good luck.

March 12th, 2007, 09:14 PM	#10 (permalink)
getbent Moderator Doctor of Teleocity Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: San Benito County, California Posts: 13,680 37 Photos	boy, this is exciting! It will be fun to watch it develop... too bad it idn't 12/6 tho.

March 12th, 2007, 09:32 PM	#11 (permalink)
Iamblichus TDPRI Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: santa rosa, California Age: 62 Posts: 66	Have you considered an angle between the two necks. One benifit is more clearance for tuners without a large distance between heels. Another is the radial feel between shifting necks. The guitar rotates a bit rather than reaching for a parallel neck axis. Just a thought.

March 12th, 2007, 09:49 PM	#13 (permalink)
getbent Moderator Doctor of Teleocity Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: San Benito County, California Posts: 13,680 37 Photos	I vote (not that I have a vote) parallel.. it will look great and it will play just fine. Angled looks too rube goldberg.

March 12th, 2007, 09:50 PM	#14 (permalink)
Big Tony Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden, by golly! Age: 54 Posts: 2,752 29 Photos	And we want LOTS of pictures! / Tony __________________ {8^)>

March 12th, 2007, 09:53 PM	#15 (permalink)
theshredermaster Banned Tele-Meister Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: depends where the bus parks, but at the moment L.A. Posts: 190	make it half thinline!

March 12th, 2007, 09:55 PM	#16 (permalink)
aznrambo481 Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: La Jolla, California Age: 18 Posts: 2,902 6 Photos	Also, angled would probably make it more tricky aligining the bridge, etc. The desigin would definitely be more difficult. I'm all for the idea! My dream partscaster is the P-bass/strat doubleneck body from warmoth. I want to see how this would work out! __________________ Check out my bands, and feel free to PM me comments on them! The Eclectics (guitar/vocals) SLIP (bass)

March 12th, 2007, 11:36 PM	#18 (permalink)
russpurdy Tele-Meister Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: regina Age: 23 Posts: 100	this might give you some ideas hey buck, not sure if you've seen these pics or not but Danny Gatton had himself a double neck (one bass VI, one regular) tele made and you can check it out here, just scroll down and you'll see it. http://www.dannygatton.com/guitars.html the body shape may not be what your looking for but it gives you a rough possibility for a layout.

March 13th, 2007, 10:41 AM	#19 (permalink)
jwells393 Doctor of Teleocity Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Albuquerque, USA Age: 65 Posts: 14,282 101 Photos	Looks to me like your project would be much like the Danny Gatton double-neck. Your lower neck would just be a little shorter. .................. __________________ Jack's Disclaimer: When I say something.... always ask yourself ..... "What the hell does he know?" I'm just not cool enough to be a Mac person.

March 15th, 2007, 08:48 AM	#30 (permalink)
Clive Hugh Tele-Holic Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Western Australia Age: 65 Posts: 719	Bucko, go for it, I have lusted after a baritone for some time, that would be a good project, be a bit heavy tho'. Clive

March 15th, 2007, 10:27 AM	#31 (permalink)
franchelB Friend of Leo's Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Irving, United States of Texas! Age: 44 Posts: 2,314	Go for it!

March 15th, 2007, 10:38 AM	#32 (permalink)
gumbo Tele-Meister Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: South Australia Age: 61 Posts: 204	Yeah...thought about doin' one of those down here...but of course I'd have to have the necks the other way up....... __________________ Heaven: A Bassman 410, a good pizza, and a nice lie down

June 20th, 2007, 09:55 PM	#34 (permalink)
Buckocaster51 Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Iowa USA Age: 57 Posts: 8,400 1 Photos	The time has come to conquer this beast. Still don't know exactly how far apart the necks are...but I did do this... I took Terry Downs' .pdf file of the Telecaster and combined it with a very low resolution picture of a Warmoth doubleneck body. I lined up the screw holes in the neck pocket. Drew a centerline for the second neck, and measured the distance between centerlines on the grid. Came up with 4.75 inches. anybody see anything wrong with my methodology? this .jpg is at 50% please ignore the pink background. My copy of Photoshop sort of does stuff like that all by itself. __________________ "If you can't say something nice... don't say nothing at all." - Thumper the Rabbit "An awfully lot of time can be wasted waiting for the right time." - Gunsmoke's Doc Adams

June 20th, 2007, 10:02 PM	#35 (permalink)
jwells393 Doctor of Teleocity Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Albuquerque, USA Age: 65 Posts: 14,282 101 Photos	Looks good to me .............. __________________ Jack's Disclaimer: When I say something.... always ask yourself ..... "What the hell does he know?" I'm just not cool enough to be a Mac person.

June 20th, 2007, 11:36 PM	#36 (permalink)
tdowns Friend of Leo's Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Wylie, TX US Posts: 3,108	Cool Bucko. I can't wait to see it. YOU are a baddd dude! I used a similar method to determine the Brent Mason's pickup spacing way back when I was making the Brent Caster. I printed out the picture as large as possible Measured everything I knew the size of on the picture with the dial calipers (Strat PU length, string spacing at bridge, and bridge width) I calculated a scale factor based on the averaged 3 results Measured what I was interested in Then scaled it down by the factor Good luck. __________________ Best regards, Terry Downs http://terrydownsmusic.com Equine quadrupeds may be coaxed to the reference of specific gravity but may not be compelled to imbibe thereof.

June 20th, 2007, 11:53 PM	#37 (permalink)
Rizo Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Athens, OH Posts: 1,150	You may want to seriuosly consider making it a thinline or a semi hollwo body or something. Maybe have an arm contour or a tummy cut... That's going to weigh a TON! __________________ "You say you want to play country, but you're in a punk rock band."

June 21st, 2007, 01:03 AM	#39 (permalink)
Buckocaster51 Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Iowa USA Age: 57 Posts: 8,400 1 Photos	I think I have a plan! As I mentioned above, I took a .jpg from the Warmoth site, and superimposed it on top of Terry Downs' Telecaster plan. A little tugging. A little stretching - and things were lined up pretty good. So I printed out a bunch of sheets, sticky-glued them together and VIOLA! I think I am ready to make a template so I can make an MDF mockup. It will be big. Like Rizo said, it will weigh a ton! __________________ "If you can't say something nice... don't say nothing at all." - Thumper the Rabbit "An awfully lot of time can be wasted waiting for the right time." - Gunsmoke's Doc Adams

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June 21st, 2007, 01:10 AM	#40 (permalink)
Sleph Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 1,202 6 Photos	tension's building................