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Swiftpicx · November 6th, 2009, 01:04 AM

Hello to all

I would like to try phasing one of the pup's in my tele with a push / pull.
There are some wiring diagrams for a 3 way switch, but I can't find one for a 4 way.
Has anyone any info on this, good ~ bad idea ? is there a diagram available to try this with a 4 way.

Thanks for a reply

Steve

Bearer · November 6th, 2009, 02:59 AM

out of phase works best when either the two pickups are wired in series, or they are Different pickup types (single coil and a paf for instance). That's because the out of phase passes the difference between the pickups into the amp, which usually sounds pretty weak and nasly. Wiring a tele in series with phase reversal works great because the 4-way mod makes up for the lost output. I don't think you would need a special diagram for a 4 way. just think about it like this:

neck pup -> push pull to reverse phase -> 4 way switch -> vol -> tone -> out put
bridge pup -----------------------------/

Swiftpicx · November 6th, 2009, 01:49 PM

Thanks for the reply Bearer

I believe that the 4 way offers a series & parallel option, & I would like to try it with phase rev. also. I'm just starting to wire the cont. plate, & my thought's are wondering

.

A digram would sure help, for when I'm having those "Senior Moments" with the iron in my hand.

I need to go over some of the other diag. & make sense of it all.

Steve

cc9cii · November 6th, 2009, 03:33 PM

Fender Baja does 4 way + phase reversal, although it uses S-1 rather than a push pull.

Which order do you want your 4 way and which pot is push-pull? I'll draw something up if you like.

Deaf Eddie · November 6th, 2009, 03:52 PM

Dont't forget to do the unground/reground thang for the neck pup's metal cover...

Swiftpicx · November 6th, 2009, 04:25 PM

Thank You for the reply CC

I would guess that the normal order of the 4 way would be fine. an audio or linear P/P, I really don't know which would be best. I have placed the 4 way in the rear, still keeping the vol & tone where they normaly are
I do like your cocked wah diagram, & was hoping to add it to the mix. I considered a switch for the phasing, but the P/P would be better.
Shame of it all, is I finally found 2 close matching CTS pots ( 264 & 265K A/B) & now I want to change things around again

!
I guess I'll be needing a larger parts box, if I don't start soldering soon !!!

Thanks Again !

Steve

Swiftpicx · November 6th, 2009, 04:27 PM

Thank You Def Eddie !!!

Steve

November 6th, 2009, 01:04 AM	#1 (permalink)
Swiftpicx TDPRI Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: New Jersey Posts: 48	Looking for a Push/Pull diag. for a 4 way switch Hello to all I would like to try phasing one of the pup's in my tele with a push / pull. There are some wiring diagrams for a 3 way switch, but I can't find one for a 4 way. Has anyone any info on this, good ~ bad idea ? is there a diagram available to try this with a 4 way. Thanks for a reply Steve

November 6th, 2009, 03:52 PM	#5 (permalink)
Deaf Eddie Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sunny San Diego, CA Posts: 1,741 14 Photos	Dont't forget to do the unground/reground thang for the neck pup's metal cover... __________________ YMMV - I been wrong before...

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November 6th, 2009, 02:59 AM	#2 (permalink)
Bearer Tele-Meister Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 115	out of phase works best when either the two pickups are wired in series, or they are Different pickup types (single coil and a paf for instance). That's because the out of phase passes the difference between the pickups into the amp, which usually sounds pretty weak and nasly. Wiring a tele in series with phase reversal works great because the 4-way mod makes up for the lost output. I don't think you would need a special diagram for a 4 way. just think about it like this: neck pup -> push pull to reverse phase -> 4 way switch -> vol -> tone -> out put bridge pup -----------------------------/

November 6th, 2009, 01:49 PM	#3 (permalink)
Swiftpicx TDPRI Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: New Jersey Posts: 48	Thanks for the reply Bearer I believe that the 4 way offers a series & parallel option, & I would like to try it with phase rev. also. I'm just starting to wire the cont. plate, & my thought's are wondering . A digram would sure help, for when I'm having those "Senior Moments" with the iron in my hand. I need to go over some of the other diag. & make sense of it all. Steve

November 6th, 2009, 03:33 PM	#4 (permalink)
cc9cii Tele-Holic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Sydney Posts: 773	Fender Baja does 4 way + phase reversal, although it uses S-1 rather than a push pull. Which order do you want your 4 way and which pot is push-pull? I'll draw something up if you like.

November 6th, 2009, 04:25 PM	#6 (permalink)
Swiftpicx TDPRI Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: New Jersey Posts: 48	Thank You for the reply CC I would guess that the normal order of the 4 way would be fine. an audio or linear P/P, I really don't know which would be best. I have placed the 4 way in the rear, still keeping the vol & tone where they normaly are I do like your cocked wah diagram, & was hoping to add it to the mix. I considered a switch for the phasing, but the P/P would be better. Shame of it all, is I finally found 2 close matching CTS pots ( 264 & 265K A/B) & now I want to change things around again ! I guess I'll be needing a larger parts box, if I don't start soldering soon !!! Thanks Again ! Steve

November 6th, 2009, 04:27 PM	#7 (permalink)
Swiftpicx TDPRI Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: New Jersey Posts: 48	Thank You Def Eddie !!! Steve

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