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JS Tele · January 14th, 2009, 09:53 AM

I have a MIM Tele w/ vintage radius neck that plays great (been playing 40 yrs now) and would like to set her up to sound more like Roy's w/o blowing a lot of cash ... Replaced stock p/u's with Duncan Antiquity's, and am about to wire .1 caps in series on both pu's.

Wanted to check w/ Form members about other suggestions before I begin.

Thanks to ALL !!

UA

woodman · January 14th, 2009, 11:24 AM

my suggestion: don't over-obsess about the gear — take what you got and practice. a lot.

DMace · January 14th, 2009, 12:02 PM

BF or SF Fender. Crank the volume, treble and reverb. Practice, practice, practice.

leonard22 · January 14th, 2009, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DMace

BF or SF Fender. Crank the volume, treble and reverb. Practice, practice, practice.

+1

Jim.Collins · January 14th, 2009, 12:09 PM

.1uF caps in series? Where did that come from? According to Seymour Duncan, Roy's 53 had stock wiring, which gave him deep rhythm, neck pickup, and bridge pickup, in the three positions. The times I saw him play that 53, it seemed apparent that this was correct.

Justinvs · January 14th, 2009, 01:46 PM

It all begins with finding a discarded set of strings from one of his guitars, then retrieving the DNA from any skin cells left in the winding. After that, we take the samples to a secret lab deep in the Amazon jungle and clone an army of the most fantastic guitar players in history. The "Roys From Brazil" will be unstoppable! Bwahaha!

Sorry, I was having a bad 70's movie flashback. <G>

Justin

PixelMover · January 14th, 2009, 01:48 PM

Somehow swap your hands with Roy's.

JS Tele · January 14th, 2009, 05:30 PM

came from a thread on this form from Don Mare:

http://www.tdpri.com/forum/just-pick...-whos-got.html

go almost a third of the way down

so we have someone who says stock and someone who says .1 caps

????

UA

e-merlin · January 14th, 2009, 10:46 PM

Don Mare, AKA Buck Cannon, spent lots of time delving into that particular tone. Obsession was more like it. He's been rewarded by actually playing and measuring Nancy. The real Nancy. Talk to him. He's got some info in the gear department.

goldenstrat · January 15th, 2009, 12:57 AM

Big big thing is having the amp cranked and using your volume and tone knobs constantly. Just rolling the volume knob from off to 3 with your pinky should get some good loudness going. With the amp cranked, the bridge pup on volume 3-6 is not so trebly as usual as well so it sounds fat and very warm.
Roy's tone actually varies a fair amount so learning "how he did it" is more important than what pups he had, etc. my 2 cents. Find the GP interview from the early 80's and the PBS movie.

RockinCarl · January 15th, 2009, 05:50 PM

Slightly off topic, but how do you wire a capacitor in series for the pickups? Sorry for the stupid question.

twangcaster1 · January 15th, 2009, 05:53 PM

What kind of amp do you use? A Deluxe Reverb or Twin Reverb'll help. Preferrably SF or BF.

johnnylaw · January 15th, 2009, 06:07 PM

+1, +1 on the amp. A good tube amp carefully tweaked seems to be a major part of the equation. I use a 7W/ 15W Class A with EL 84s. I ain't never gonna be Roy, but the tone zone is attainable with my '52 RI (stock), my CS Thinline with Bardens (stock), and my homebrew with Toneriders (oh so completely custom; hee hee!).

Oh yeah, (some) volume could really be your friend as it has a profound effect on the dynamic response of your set-up.

Play on, play on...

tele salivas · January 17th, 2009, 10:46 AM

Get a fish n chips eq pedal from danelectro...you can get a lot of tonal variance and boosts without mucking up the sound of your original signal and they are quiet,,go from Roy's 'Nancy' to Keef's 'Macawber' in a stomp and a flip and most importantly, to Your sound

in the same manner...I personally go for a Roy nichols type a thing sometimes, and no matter the room or volume, I can get there with this sucker ..... happy hunting, the elusive snipe

Doug 54 · January 17th, 2009, 02:11 PM

Questioner has over 40 yrs playing-- asking a pup question is not "obsessing" over gear.

GEAR can make a diff. We all know that a different pup set (may be $$$ -- may be el cheapo) can make a diff-- inspiring one in the tone realms they are seeking.

Woodman-- looks like you got some quality gear-- no one calling you "obsessive"

woodman · January 17th, 2009, 05:48 PM

no diss intended, Doug. the OP obviously has the tools for the job. but copping Roy's tone is a whole lot (dare i say it) in the hands.

Doug 54 · January 17th, 2009, 05:58 PM

I know it wasn't dissing.

It is amazing how we guitarists have in our soul what sounds good to each of us individually--- and somewhere at the intersection of perseverance/talent and gear--
one may find it.

woodman · January 17th, 2009, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug 54

It is amazing how we guitarists have in our soul what sounds good to each of us individually--- and somewhere at the intersection of perseverance/talent and gear--
one may find it.

very true, in my experience. i did the Roy tone-chase in the late '90s and found, lo and behold, i had a sound of my own even though it wasn't Roy's. the gear helped, but it was the effort that made it come about.

Colt W. Knight · January 17th, 2009, 09:34 PM

OC Duff winds a Nancy set of pups. Redd seems to be a fan.

Pikey · January 18th, 2009, 01:15 AM

Did Roy Buchanan use some sort of Bill Lawrence there for a while?

Cantom · January 21st, 2009, 04:12 PM

You can wire a cap to the tone control to make it a high pass filter. Normally the cap is wired to ground to produce a low pass filter. Wire the cap to the upper lug, and connect the ground to the center one. The cap will be in series with the output jack.
I experimented with it a long time ago. It works but not to my liking.
My Tele is bright enough through a Blues Deluxe and Blues Junior.

January 14th, 2009, 09:53 AM	#1 (permalink)
JS Tele NEW MEMBER! Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NYC area Posts: 9	Getting Roy Buchanan's tone in my Tele I have a MIM Tele w/ vintage radius neck that plays great (been playing 40 yrs now) and would like to set her up to sound more like Roy's w/o blowing a lot of cash ... Replaced stock p/u's with Duncan Antiquity's, and am about to wire .1 caps in series on both pu's. Wanted to check w/ Form members about other suggestions before I begin. Thanks to ALL !! UA

January 14th, 2009, 11:24 AM	#2 (permalink)
woodman Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mint Hill, NC Age: 63 Posts: 8,124	my suggestion: don't over-obsess about the gear — take what you got and practice. a lot. __________________ Truth is stranger than fact ... www.myspace.com/stragglerswing (Woody & the Stragglers - Western Swing/Roots-rock)

January 14th, 2009, 01:48 PM	#7 (permalink)
PixelMover Tele-Holic Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Boston Area Age: 32 Posts: 612	Somehow swap your hands with Roy's. __________________ "Should've taken a left turn at Albuquerque."

January 15th, 2009, 05:53 PM	#12 (permalink)
twangcaster1 Friend of Leo's Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: SLC, UT Posts: 2,201 15 Photos	What kind of amp do you use? A Deluxe Reverb or Twin Reverb'll help. Preferrably SF or BF. __________________ Louisiana Twangmaker

January 15th, 2009, 06:07 PM	#13 (permalink)
johnnylaw Tele-Meister Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: New England Age: 52 Posts: 399	+1, +1 on the amp. A good tube amp carefully tweaked seems to be a major part of the equation. I use a 7W/ 15W Class A with EL 84s. I ain't never gonna be Roy, but the tone zone is attainable with my '52 RI (stock), my CS Thinline with Bardens (stock), and my homebrew with Toneriders (oh so completely custom; hee hee!). Oh yeah, (some) volume could really be your friend as it has a profound effect on the dynamic response of your set-up. Play on, play on... __________________ Its not how long you make it, its how you make it long.

January 14th, 2009, 12:02 PM	#3 (permalink)
DMace Friend of Leo's Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 2,996	BF or SF Fender. Crank the volume, treble and reverb. Practice, practice, practice.

January 14th, 2009, 12:09 PM	#5 (permalink)
Jim.Collins Tele-Holic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Pleasanton, CA Age: 55 Posts: 514	.1uF caps in series? Where did that come from? According to Seymour Duncan, Roy's 53 had stock wiring, which gave him deep rhythm, neck pickup, and bridge pickup, in the three positions. The times I saw him play that 53, it seemed apparent that this was correct.

January 14th, 2009, 01:46 PM	#6 (permalink)
Justinvs Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Wise River, Montana Age: 47 Posts: 454	It all begins with finding a discarded set of strings from one of his guitars, then retrieving the DNA from any skin cells left in the winding. After that, we take the samples to a secret lab deep in the Amazon jungle and clone an army of the most fantastic guitar players in history. The "Roys From Brazil" will be unstoppable! Bwahaha! Sorry, I was having a bad 70's movie flashback. <G> Justin

January 14th, 2009, 05:30 PM	#8 (permalink)
JS Tele NEW MEMBER! Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NYC area Posts: 9	came from a thread on this form from Don Mare: http://www.tdpri.com/forum/just-pick...-whos-got.html go almost a third of the way down so we have someone who says stock and someone who says .1 caps ???? UA

January 15th, 2009, 12:57 AM	#10 (permalink)
goldenstrat TDPRI Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Golden CO Posts: 13	Big big thing is having the amp cranked and using your volume and tone knobs constantly. Just rolling the volume knob from off to 3 with your pinky should get some good loudness going. With the amp cranked, the bridge pup on volume 3-6 is not so trebly as usual as well so it sounds fat and very warm. Roy's tone actually varies a fair amount so learning "how he did it" is more important than what pups he had, etc. my 2 cents. Find the GP interview from the early 80's and the PBS movie.

January 15th, 2009, 05:50 PM	#11 (permalink)
RockinCarl Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,495	Slightly off topic, but how do you wire a capacitor in series for the pickups? Sorry for the stupid question.

January 17th, 2009, 10:46 AM	#14 (permalink)
tele salivas Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: tulsa,ok Age: 40 Posts: 1,015	Get a fish n chips eq pedal from danelectro...you can get a lot of tonal variance and boosts without mucking up the sound of your original signal and they are quiet,,go from Roy's 'Nancy' to Keef's 'Macawber' in a stomp and a flip and most importantly, to Your sound in the same manner...I personally go for a Roy nichols type a thing sometimes, and no matter the room or volume, I can get there with this sucker ..... happy hunting, the elusive snipe

January 17th, 2009, 02:11 PM	#15 (permalink)
Doug 54 Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ohio, Dayton area Posts: 1,308	Questioner has over 40 yrs playing-- asking a pup question is not "obsessing" over gear. GEAR can make a diff. We all know that a different pup set (may be $$$ -- may be el cheapo) can make a diff-- inspiring one in the tone realms they are seeking. Woodman-- looks like you got some quality gear-- no one calling you "obsessive" __________________ "Cowboys to Girls"

January 17th, 2009, 05:48 PM	#16 (permalink)
woodman Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mint Hill, NC Age: 63 Posts: 8,124	no diss intended, Doug. the OP obviously has the tools for the job. but copping Roy's tone is a whole lot (dare i say it) in the hands. __________________ Truth is stranger than fact ... www.myspace.com/stragglerswing (Woody & the Stragglers - Western Swing/Roots-rock)

January 17th, 2009, 05:58 PM	#17 (permalink)
Doug 54 Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ohio, Dayton area Posts: 1,308	I know it wasn't dissing. It is amazing how we guitarists have in our soul what sounds good to each of us individually--- and somewhere at the intersection of perseverance/talent and gear-- one may find it. __________________ "Cowboys to Girls"

January 17th, 2009, 09:34 PM	#19 (permalink)
Colt W. Knight Friend of Leo's Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: West Virginia Age: 25 Posts: 4,086	OC Duff winds a Nancy set of pups. Redd seems to be a fan.

January 18th, 2009, 01:15 AM	#20 (permalink)
Pikey Banned TDPRI Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Virginia Beach Age: 37 Posts: 15	Did Roy Buchanan use some sort of Bill Lawrence there for a while?

January 21st, 2009, 04:12 PM	#21 (permalink)
Cantom Tele-Meister Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 242	You can wire a cap to the tone control to make it a high pass filter. Normally the cap is wired to ground to produce a low pass filter. Wire the cap to the upper lug, and connect the ground to the center one. The cap will be in series with the output jack. I experimented with it a long time ago. It works but not to my liking. My Tele is bright enough through a Blues Deluxe and Blues Junior.

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