1950 Double Esquire Build

[Goluphi]

Hey Gil -

Quick question. Judging from the image you posted of your spec sheet, it looks like you were able to get some pretty detailed measurements, etc. Have you been able to track one of the originals down? The most I've ever seen on here has been a single picture.

[Lostheart]

I'm working on a two-pickup Esquire myself and it's nice to see you go ahead first with the project. ;-)
Since probably noone on this board has had a chance to inspect/play one of those guitars (the only one I know of sits in a museum in California) here's a couple of things I picked up over the years:
A) The very first pine prototypes had bodies that were made out of multiple pieces that were not only glued together to make the blanks wide enough but also to make em thick enough. I once read/heard that it was 6 pieces of pine that made up the bodies.
B) The body was then finished with acrylic lacquer not nitro.
C) The headstocks were a tad bigger/larger on those prototypes.
Can you confirm any of this, Gil?
Anyways...great build as usual.
IMHO the very first black two-pickup Esquire is one of the most iconic guitars ever...
Really looking forward seeing this one getting done!
Cheers,
Sascha

[Lostheart]

Originally Posted by preeb

Comparing 2 necks is not enough to establish a statement.
I had quite a few built and almost all of them sounded too muffled.
I also hear the same muffled tone in other instruments (I don't wish to name the brand... but a rather big one it is...). Fender never used QS in the days.

Just saw this when I was checking the thread for an update (hurry up and get to work, Gil!) and I felt I had to add my $ 0.02 on the QS issue...
Most of the non-truss-rod necks that were made warped and were changed out at the factory for one with a truss rod. That's why so few of those non-truss-rod Esquires are still around.
You see a hand-chiseled truss-rod-access on quite a few 1950 bodies and it makes you wonder how many of those started their life as a two-pickup Esquire instead of a Broadcaster.
I really like quartersawn necks for their strength and really like the sound...and I wonder how it would have been if Leo would have used QS maple from the beginning?!? Maybe the truss rod would have made their way into Teles & Strats at a much later point in time?

[olaftheholy]

Originally Posted by preeb

Thanks Olaf.
Did you have one of those built already?

I have a trusless pine Esquier (singlepup one) yes!

[winny pooh]

Hey Gil, any reason why you dont like quarter sawn when the almighty Eric Johnson does? I am genuinely interested to hear what your thoughts are on this. I have never actually owned a quarter sawn neck.

[olaftheholy]

Originally Posted by preeb

OK, Thanks. Yes, it's our local yellow pine (everywhere you spit in Israel you hit a pine tree)... but I can't see any open grain in it, it looks 100% smooth.
I'm not sure, but I think it's the better sounding one too... isn't it? it supposed to be fuller sounding with better highs as a result of its density. I'm just speculating but I'll definitely try other types as well. I just ordered 5 blanks of feather weight clean white pine and I'll give it a try when it arrives.

You could get away with no pore/grainfilling... it usually needs a little on the endgrain depending on what manner of sawing has been used.
Flatsawn i would'nt bother i think.
Yours appears to flatsawn...

Mine is flatsawn & butcherblocked to stay flat... it's Yellow pine too.
I stained the pine
with "rustins" Yellow pine dye and then applied some 5 coats of shellac sanding sealer with that same dye mixed in to darken it up some.
When that dried, i glasspapered (320 grit) it flat then buffed it with bees/carnauba/parrafin oil mix til smoooooooooooooooth.
Then applied some 7 coats of "orange" shellac (flakes+alcohol) with walnut oil for lube...
Dries ab-so-lu-te-ly rockhard and has a great feel.

I think that Yellow pine is the best sounding pine of all the pine species out there...it has some awesome deep end and nice separated mids & highs (for construction lumber) ;o)
The tele in the video with your pickups in it is also yellowpine...

I'm currently doing a heavy (like HEAVY) relic out of the light swampash body we discussed a while back.
I think it's my last build in 'harder' wood.
Pine i just love and have an abundance of it waiting to be built into guitars...

Geluk vriend!


cheers,

[preeb]

Originally Posted by Goluphi

Hey Gil -

Quick question. Judging from the image you posted of your spec sheet, it looks like you were able to get some pretty detailed measurements, etc. Have you been able to track one of the originals down? The most I've ever seen on here has been a single picture.

Yes, a couple. Can you actually read the sheet?!? I just took a shot from about 4 feet away with my lousy cell phone camera... (-;

[preeb]

Thanks Sascha,
See my reply inline bellow...

Originally Posted by Lostheart

A) The very first pine prototypes had bodies that were made out of multiple pieces that were not only glued together to make the blanks wide enough but also to make em thick enough. I once read/heard that it was 6 pieces of pine that made up the bodies.
CORRECT
B) The body was then finished with acrylic lacquer not nitro.
1711 Standard black nitro AFAIK but I'll double check
C) The headstocks were a tad bigger/larger on those prototypes.
This is not a prototype really... it was produced, advertised and marketed... Same size headstock as later models

[preeb]

Originally Posted by Lostheart

Just saw this when I was checking the thread for an update (hurry up and get to work, Gil!) and I felt I had to add my $ 0.02 on the QS issue...
Most of the non-truss-rod necks that were made warped and were changed out at the factory for one with a truss rod. That's why so few of those non-truss-rod Esquires are still around.
You see a hand-chiseled truss-rod-access on quite a few 1950 bodies and it makes you wonder how many of those started their life as a two-pickup Esquire instead of a Broadcaster.
I really like quartersawn necks for their strength and really like the sound...and I wonder how it would have been if Leo would have used QS maple from the beginning?!? Maybe the truss rod would have made their way into Teles & Strats at a much later point in time?

If I may ask, where did you get that info about the warping necks?
I know for a fact that the reason for truss rod installation was not warped necks... I never saw a black Esquire with a replaced neck either. All the nontrussrod ones I've seen had surprisingly healthy necks... but I guess I'll find out soon enough (-;

[preeb]

Originally Posted by olaftheholy

I have a trusless pine Esquier (singlepup one) yes!

Photo? Sound sample...?

[preeb]

Originally Posted by winny pooh

Hey Gil, any reason why you dont like quarter sawn when the almighty Eric Johnson does? I am genuinely interested to hear what your thoughts are on this. I have never actually owned a quarter sawn neck.

QS is great for rounder sounding maple neck... but I prefer "open" bright sounding maple necks (as expected from maple)... I can't get exactly what I want to hear from QS. The only thing I like about the Eric Johnson model are the pu's... The main reason I didn't like the guitar was... the QS neck. Other than that it's a nice guitar with a nice neck profile...
Another thing is how QS maple looks... no figuring at all... looks like spruce (-;

[j.b.horns]

Originally Posted by preeb

Robosanded

Gil,

Do you ever have any issues with your robosander? I got one a few weeks ago. I've only used it a couple times, and the bearing keeps seizing up. Do you find yourself having to perform maintenance on it? I've taken it apart a couple times, just to have it seize again.

[preeb]

Due to the technical questions and debates... I wish to make clear:
I don't have all the information on this model. Some minor details are still needed but I'm still going ahead with this model. I'm doing some guess work based on other inspected prototypes from the same era (49-50) and I believe the details will be about the same for this black double Esquire... If you have any valuable info on this model I'll be forever gratefull (-;

I spent a little time today as well on this build. I'm anxious to see how it sounds like...
Tuner ferrule stepped holes on the front are drilled



Neck transitions are roughly shaped by hand



Neck is "softened" to final shape on the sander and finally by hand



Transitions are smoothed

[preeb]

Sideways fret installation stop bar in mounted to the table



Frets are set in the jig like this



and pressed in like that



Note I'm using the 7.25" fixture on the 9.5"... it's just fine as long as the fixture is rounder than the board radius...

[preeb]

If you ever played an early 50's Esquire then you know that what you see in the following shot is more than just fret beveling (-;



Slanted edges (YEAH) that is...



Fret installation is done

[preeb]

Bone nut shaved to 1/8"



Bottom is cut to 9.5" radius



Headstock is deeply rounded to period correct style

[preeb]

1/16" white fiber sheet is used for the pickguard. It will be lacquered later.



very slight roundover just to soften the edge a little



Like that


1/8" straight mounting screw holes (yes...)

[preeb]

A small countersink cut



Note the size of those holes... I'm not sure it was exactly like that on this model so I used my original Broadcaster guard for reference... probably close enough.

[preeb]

As usual, I'll let it "breath" a little before the sealing and finish... Stay tuned.

[Lostheart]

Originally Posted by preeb

If I may ask, where did you get that info about the warping necks?
I know for a fact that the reason for truss rod installation was not warped necks... I never saw a black Esquire with a replaced neck either. All the nontrussrod ones I've seen had surprisingly healthy necks... but I guess I'll find out soon enough (-;

I hope not!
I believe I read about it in Richard Smiths book "Fender: The Sound Heard Around the World" and/or in an ancient issue of Vintage Guitar Gallery.
Both had pics of the black pine Esquire.
I can look it up just to make sure.
That's also where I read the bit about acrylic lacquer.
I also said "prototype" because those first black pine Esquires were not really production line guitars but - as it was mentioned in the article - "test pieces" (horrible name, though) to make musicians aware of Fender and his revolutionary spanish guitar. FAIK the first production line guitars had blonde ash bodies and non-truss-rod necks...
Could take me a little while but when I get to it I'll post what the article said about the pine Esquires...

[preeb]

Originally Posted by j.b.horns

Gil,

Do you ever have any issues with your robosander? I got one a few weeks ago. I've only used it a couple times, and the bearing keeps seizing up. Do you find yourself having to perform maintenance on it? I've taken it apart a couple times, just to have it seize again.

All the time... Not a too smart of a design... I'm going to build my own set soon out of wood with better bearings and an additional 1/2" pipe for tight curves. I'll post it here if you wish.

[preeb]

Originally Posted by Lostheart

I hope not!
I believe I read about it in Richard Smiths book "Fender: The Sound Heard Around the World" and/or in an ancient issue of Vintage Guitar Gallery.
Both had pics of the black pine Esquire.
I can look it up just to make sure.
That's also where I read the bit about acrylic lacquer.
I also said "prototype" because those first black pine Esquires were not really production line guitars but - as it was mentioned in the article - "test pieces" (horrible name, though) to make musicians aware of Fender and his revolutionary spanish guitar. FAIK the first production line guitars had blonde ash bodies and non-truss-rod necks...
Could take me a little while but when I get to it I'll post what the article said about the pine Esquires...

Don't take all you read for granted... there's a lot of disinformation in those books and articles. The only valid info (except asking Leo) is examining the guitars. This is something I learned the hard way a long time ago (-;
Please post the info here if possible. It's interesting.

[dsb1]

Gil - Ever thought about making the original esquire prototype with the single pickup and 3+3 headstock? I've always loved these and have never seen anyone make them (thought I am new to the board and have not searched).

[preeb]

Originally Posted by dsb1

Gil - Ever thought about making the original esquire prototype with the single pickup and 3+3 headstock? I've always loved these and have never seen anyone make them (thought I am new to the board and have not searched).

The snakehead has been reissued by Fender and I believe also by at least one forum member here. I might do it... not sure... Don't have the specs either...

[storyboards27]

Oh man, I love these! Gil, your builds are amazing!

[irishtele]

O yeah!! I finally get to see a Preeb build from the start!!
This has made my day! This is going to be a good thread! :)

[dsb1]

Originally Posted by preeb

The snakehead has been reissued by Fender and I believe also by at least one forum member here. I might do it... not sure... Don't have the specs either...

Good to know, thank you!

[treadwm]

Originally Posted by preeb

All the time... Not a too smart of a design... I'm going to build my own set soon out of wood with better bearings and an additional 1/2" pipe for tight curves. I'll post it here if you wish.

Please do. I've been looking to do the same.

[j.b.horns]

Originally Posted by treadwm

Please do. I've been looking to do the same.

+1.

[redddog]

This is like christmas!

[JohnPurdy]

Great looking Gil, I love your threads.

[sebastian747]

Hey Gil...did u find a water jet cutter? i have just had templates made from 15 mm Ali they are really good.
Also wondered if you can give me advice on a the best drill bit to use for dot makers you seem to be using something else in this thread. I have tried brad points...they tear and are messy crude things and normal timber drill bits are not accurate enough....or should I add to my order of custom bits and cutter....great build again x

[Tonetele]

Gil your work is simply amazing! I've saved pictures of tour last Tele build and it's great to see mand workmanship in the 21st. century. I especially like your neck/pocket joint., perfect. It's a pleasure to see someone pay such close attention to detail.

[Tonetele]

My apologies Gil : tour should be your and mand should be hand- no, not under the influence of any substances, just a very bad typist.

[preeb]

Got up early today to spray 3 guitars... but it was stormy so my spraying plans (not for this Esquire) are postponed. I'll do the guts of the esquire instead...

Design plans are:
Bridge PU - AL3 0.195" dia + AWG43 @ 9200 wounds, north, TC
Neck PU - AL5 0.195" dia (Fullerton NOS) + AWG43 @ 8200 wounds, north, TC
Original spec blend circuit + 15K Res + 0.05MFD PIO cap

I'll start with beveling the magnets



Like that



On the neck PU the magnets are pressed in from the top down since the top needs to be 100% flush to prevent the magnets from touching the cover



Like that... nice and flush with the top flatwork

[preeb]

On the bridge pu the magnets are pressed in from the bottom (normally) since the bottom has to be 100% flush to avoid contact with the elevator steel plate



not a big issue as both ends end up 100% flush anyway...



Bobbins are done. On those pu's you'll always find the beveled edge on the neck bottom and on the bridge top.



What a storm... man... winter is at my gates... end of the Nitro happy summer period...(-;

[preeb]

Bobbins are dipped in nitro and left to dry for a while



I'll do the period correct PIO cap as they dry...

dipped once..



and twice... and it's done. You know it's done when it starts to look ugly... (-;



Original Blend Circuit as found on early protos and Broadcasters... there's a 15K resistor in there... twisted through 4 holes in the selector switch... d__n...

[preeb]

Cap is added



some more wiring and the control is done as well



I used new CTS pots and CRL switch... but if the guitar turns out killer... I'll replace them with NOS parts just like on all my PRM's.

[Lostheart]

Originally Posted by Goluphi

Hey Gil -
Quick question. Judging from the image you posted of your spec sheet, it looks like you were able to get some pretty detailed measurements, etc. Have you been able to track one of the originals down? The most I've ever seen on here has been a single picture.

Originally Posted by preeb

Yes, a couple. Can you actually read the sheet?!? I just took a shot from about 4 feet away with my lousy cell phone camera... (-;

You have had a chance to check out a black pine two-pickup Esquire???
Or just early Teles in general?
If you did check out a pine Esquire did you take photos during the examination? I sure would love to see them and add them to my "collection" of Tele pics...

BTW...an interesting detail that I forgot to mention:
When I made my first Pine repro I was asking around and someone - I believe it was Nacho Banos if I'm not mistaken - told me that due to the slimmer thickness of the body the control cavity had a stepped rout to it.
It was routed at the regular depth of 1.5'' where the the CRL switch would sit and not so deep underneath in the area underneath where the pots would sit. That was probably made to keep as much wood as possible between the control cavity rout and the back.
Is that something you incorporated into your repro as well?

FAIK Nacho is one of the select few that had the chance to check out one of those pine beauties...and I was always under the impression that there is only one black pine Esquire still "alive" today - at least all the pics that show one, show the same guitar.

[preeb]

I'll use only AWG 43 PE wire on this build. AWG42 was not used in early 1950 yet...
This is the reason for the hot (9.5K-12K) bridge pu's of the period... well... this and the lack of a winding machine counter...
The AWG43 is thinner and therefore has a higher DCR per foot, so for the same number of wounds it will give a higher pu DCR. It doesn't mean it will be a hotter sounding PU of course... DCR hardly means anything here... The correct colored wire was selected



Bobbins are cured. I'll cut the mandatory little V shaped notches on both pu's