CNC Broadcaster build...and then some! - Page 7

ehawley · November 26th, 2008, 08:16 PM

WOW!!....almost the same number of turns for the same ohm reading!! How wierd is that?

turns....

This is one HOT pickup!!....We'll have to see how it sounds. I'm tempted to put it in one of my other guitars just to try it out..Maybe!

When you are satisfied that you have what you want, you then have to wrap the pickup with string to protect the windings.

And then pot with wax.....

My potting wax melter is an old eyeglass frame bender. It melts the wax safely.

ehawley · November 26th, 2008, 08:17 PM

The wax is a mix of bees wax, paraffin, and lamp black. You just lower the pickup into it for about 10 min.

When finished, let it cool down and check the ohm reading again to make sure that all is well. NOTE...don't check the reading while the pickup is still hot because the reading will be WAY high!...about 2 to 3 K higher!

ehawley · November 26th, 2008, 08:20 PM

This is what you will have when done....

Save your old pickup boxes! It's a great place to keep the ones you make!

Jaydawg...I can't wait to hear this thing!! Thanks for the info on the magnets and gauge size!
Motor and Bucko! Thanks for thinking of me...

I'm still alive, and yes, I'm making the hay while I can!!

I'm back into the building mode again as I have a SHORT reprieve from my busy work schedual!
This weekend I'll post pictures of the body work in progress.

Thanks all !!
Cheers
ED

Nick JD · November 26th, 2008, 08:42 PM

Whoa - 13K! If you don't like the sound of that pickup, Ed - you could always attach it to a crane, put some current though it and use it to lift cars...

ehawley · November 26th, 2008, 09:05 PM

[quote=Nick JD;1522464]Whoa - 13K! If you don't like the sound of that pickup, Ed - you could always attach it to a crane, put some current though it and use it to lift cars...

You always make my day Nick!!

Lift cars?? I can use it as a tracktor beam on the Enterprise!

Heck...I felt the fillings in my teeth move!!

I hope it's not too hot!

cheers
ED

jaydawg · November 26th, 2008, 09:22 PM

Lookin' good Ed!

13k with 43 wire is not a strong as 13k with 42. The one that I did with those specs came out good. Go ahead and try it in another guitar then you can give us a full tone report.

spyderxxx · November 27th, 2008, 07:41 AM

Ed
The people that make the pliers that you converted to a fret press also make one with swiveling pads. All you need to do is grind the rivet off . Only real difference is the hole is 1/4 inch.

Hope this helps

markito787 · November 29th, 2008, 10:02 PM

This is one of the many threads that inspires me!!! Im a new guy in guitar building. I'l start my first tele build in christmas vacation. I'l order the neck because it cant be done wrong. Can anyone give me any tips? thanks, Mark

ehawley · November 30th, 2008, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markito787

This is one of the many threads that inspires me!!! Im a new guy in guitar building. I'l start my first tele build in christmas vacation. I'l order the neck because it cant be done wrong. Can anyone give me any tips? thanks, Mark

Hi Markito....Welcome to the forum! This is the best place to get all the info you need for building a telecaster! Just start a thread and ask all the questions you have! Everyone here is happy to help.
Cheers
ED

Ashwoody · December 5th, 2008, 09:35 AM

Is it done yet? need fix

ehawley · June 27th, 2009, 10:59 AM

My oh my...It's been so long I forgot where I was at!!?! Now that things have settled down at work I can get back to the building phase! Things I love to do! I have several projects that I need to finish for friends ( who are very patient...thank you!) Before the Broadcaster gets touched! The VENEER neck is done and on my "surfcaster". I switched out a WD purchased neck with this one. The Macasser ebony finger board has an almost "liquid" feel to it. The hardness of the wood is the main contributor to this . I love the look of the veneer over the slab! Here are a few pictures....

Headstock... Jersey Surfcaster has a nice ring to it! (yes.. I am a stripe bass fisherman!) The surf green color is my favorite!

The look of veneer on the heel end!!

Headstock side...I still need to finish shaping the ends of the nut...

The whole guitar...

ehawley · June 27th, 2009, 11:03 AM

Another shot...

Everything now will be the Broadcaster build. I will start another thread on my new Paulownia wood builds that I have going...(or starting)...and I am finishing up the stuff for two of my friends...I HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN YOU!!!
Thanks and cheers
ED

ehawley · June 27th, 2009, 11:07 AM

Oh...Here is a side shot of the grain and flame on the neck....Thanks to my friend Dwight for the wood...Stuff is coming buddy!!!...

jaydawg · June 27th, 2009, 12:00 PM

Lookin' good Ed!

jwells393 · June 27th, 2009, 12:50 PM

Another beauty ............

tdowns · June 27th, 2009, 04:10 PM

Ed,
You are awesome!! Great work.

Buckocaster51 · June 27th, 2009, 04:19 PM

Very, very nice.

Nice color.

Arlo · June 27th, 2009, 06:45 PM

Nice work as usual Ed! I bet that thing sounds and plays great!!

Superc_1 · June 29th, 2009, 10:17 AM

Sweet Sweet Sweet. I can hear the tide from here on that surfcaster.

ehawley · June 30th, 2009, 11:42 PM

Thanks guys!! I have time to do fun stuff again and I love it!! As soon as the Broadcaster and other stuff are done it will be time to start the Paulownia "HulaCaster" or "IslandCaster" (haven't made up my mind yet)
Again ,Thanks...it's good to be back!
Cheers
ED

Puresoundguitar · July 2nd, 2009, 10:57 AM

Hi Ed,

Thanks for this great thread, it has been a pleasure to read through!

Can you enlighten me on a couple of things?

How do you achieve that awesome finish after machining the back of the neck?

I'll be doing a neck soon, CNC'ed, and i'm aiming at 0.001in scallop height, with a 1/2 Ball-nose.

Will be machining at around 50ipm, 12000rpm.

Can you give me your input? Are these reasonable values?

Ok, second question:

When cutting your fret slots, can you give me your parameters? I mean, depth of cut, feed, spindle speed...

In my case i'm aiming at .008 - .010 in terms of depth of cut...

Any help will be gratly appreciated.

In the meantime, this body was machined with a .005in scallop. Not too bad, but i'm aiming for a better finish.

Thanks in advance!

fisherbim · July 2nd, 2009, 11:36 AM

this is simply remarkable! thank you sir and to those who contributed to this thread...wow...

Casual_Reader · July 4th, 2009, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ehawley

This is also the body shape that Terry Downs used for his tele print! An interesting fact about this...The bridge pickup cavity was routed at 14 degrees!! but all the Fender bridges that I used to make all my guitars from are at 17 degrees, the standard, and everything still fit....Fender did some strange stuff! All my drawings for the 53 build were at 14 degrees. The drawings for this build are at 17 degrees. All my others, and there are quite a few, are at 14 degrees! A Fender vintage style bridge still fits perfect though

I missed this the first time around... noticed it looking for the 43 wind info.

On paper, when it's perfectly centered, the layout with 14 degrees is tight - to the point of the control plate side of the pup rubbing the side - possibly knocking the poles slightly out of position as it'd tilt in on the screws and springs. With the route positioned slightly below the center, it would fit ok. I think I even pestered Terry about the angle after having a look and scratching my head for a few days.

As stated, that's on paper... if it fits, it fits. If someone wants to do a GE Smith mount... they might want to do a nice tight clean 17 while keeping the poles lined up perfectly under the strings.

fender - perhaps having the route slightly lower than center reduced the frequency of route gaps showing from under the top edge of the bridge plate - where it would show most to the player.

jwells393 · July 4th, 2009, 04:20 PM

What kind of wood is this? It looks like MDF.

......

ehawley · July 5th, 2009, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puresoundguitar

Hi Ed,

Thanks for this great thread, it has been a pleasure to read through!

Can you enlighten me on a couple of things?

How do you achieve that awesome finish after machining the back of the neck?

I'll be doing a neck soon, CNC'ed, and i'm aiming at 0.001in scallop height, with a 1/2 Ball-nose.

Will be machining at around 50ipm, 12000rpm.

Can you give me your input? Are these reasonable values?

Ok, second question:

When cutting your fret slots, can you give me your parameters? I mean, depth of cut, feed, spindle speed...

In my case i'm aiming at .008 - .010 in terms of depth of cut...

Any help will be gratly appreciated.

In the meantime, this body was machined with a .005in scallop. Not too bad, but i'm aiming for a better finish.

Thanks in advance!

Hi...50 IPM at 12000 sounds good. As far as the fret slots I used .005 depth at 8000 RPM and 10 IPM. .075 deep. It took a bit of time to slot all the frets , but I didn't want to have to change cutters in the middle of a run! That is more of a pain then the extra time to slot! Those .021 to .024 carbide endmills are fragile!
Nice work on the guitar...As Jack stated, it looks like MDF... double layer...Was there dust in the air!!?!..

..
Cheers
ED

ehawley · July 5th, 2009, 09:46 AM

Hi Casual Reader... Yup...Fender did some wierd things back in the days! I've re-drawn my files to the 17 degree angle. I've made 8 guitars with the 14 degree angle and didn't have a problem on any. Go figure!
Another one of my pet pieves Is the jack cup area. I've seen many a guitar made with a HUGE flat at the jack cup! I personally like the look of the early 50s with no flat. Seems to flow better and the cup still fits fine ( machined or pressed) Sounds like a POLL question! Thats why when someone asks for the file I'll send both...the "50s17dNF" with no flat and the "60s17dF" with a slight flat ...same as the 60s....Uh oh...I'm rambling!!

Cheers
ED

Oh...by the way...The surf green body pictured above is one of my early mahogany bodies with the 14 degree cavity! Great sounding guitar and my new number 1 since I put the new veneer neck on her!

Puresoundguitar · July 5th, 2009, 09:51 PM

Hi guys!

Ed, thanks for the info...much appreciated, i'll follow your advice.

Oh, do you guys know why it looks MDF? Well, it's because it IS MDF.

It was just a test.

Check the following pics, it's the finished product, just before the final sanding and preparation to apply the finish.

Casual_Reader · July 5th, 2009, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ehawley

Go figure!

I did! literally.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ehawley

Another one of my pet pieves Is the jack cup area. I've seen many a guitar made with a HUGE flat at the jack cup! I personally like the look of the early 50s with no flat. Seems to flow better and the cup still fits fine ( machined or pressed)

Same here... and a 62 custom just draws more attention to it with the top binding. It's an odd disruption to the symmetry of the hips.

That surf green is a beauty.

anyone · September 25th, 2009, 04:06 PM

Here's a beggarly bump for one of my favorite threads and a pdf file if possible. If not, no worries, and thanks for the killer threads!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by ehawley

Here is the files page...This will be updated as needed. DXF, DWG, PDF, and Parasolid files will be posted here.

DXF Files...

Verneer neck...here

Broadcaster neck...here

Broadcaster body...here

DWG Files...

Verneer neck...here

Broadcaster neck...here

Broadcaster body...here

pdf will be added when done along with parasolid files of body and necks.

enjoy!
Cheers
ED

john finnigan · September 25th, 2009, 05:53 PM

I've been looking at CNC routers and thinking about building a tele... Thanks for the inspiration.

stratman1966 · September 26th, 2009, 12:15 PM

Looks like another great thread. Thanks.

November 26th, 2008, 08:42 PM	#244 (permalink)
Nick JD Friend of Leo's Join Date: May 2007 Location: North NSW, Australia Age: 37 Posts: 4,824	Whoa - 13K! If you don't like the sound of that pickup, Ed - you could always attach it to a crane, put some current though it and use it to lift cars... __________________

November 26th, 2008, 09:22 PM	#246 (permalink)
jaydawg Tele-Holic Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: York, ME Age: 33 Posts: 803	Lookin' good Ed! 13k with 43 wire is not a strong as 13k with 42. The one that I did with those specs came out good. Go ahead and try it in another guitar then you can give us a full tone report. __________________ WWLD (What would Leo Do?)

November 27th, 2008, 07:41 AM	#247 (permalink)
spyderxxx TDPRI Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cambridge Ontario Age: 59 Posts: 51	Ed The people that make the pliers that you converted to a fret press also make one with swiveling pads. All you need to do is grind the rivet off . Only real difference is the hole is 1/4 inch. Hope this helps __________________ Did I mention I was cheap Ed

June 27th, 2009, 12:00 PM	#254 (permalink)
jaydawg Tele-Holic Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: York, ME Age: 33 Posts: 803	Lookin' good Ed! __________________ WWLD (What would Leo Do?)

June 27th, 2009, 12:50 PM	#255 (permalink)
jwells393 Doctor of Teleocity Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Albuquerque, USA Age: 65 Posts: 14,261 101 Photos	Another beauty ............ __________________ Jack's Disclaimer: When I say something.... always ask yourself ..... "What the hell does he know?" I'm just not cool enough to be a Mac person.

November 26th, 2008, 08:16 PM	#241 (permalink)
ehawley Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Keyport, New Jersey Age: 56 Posts: 1,212 48 Photos	WOW!!....almost the same number of turns for the same ohm reading!! How wierd is that? turns.... This is one HOT pickup!!....We'll have to see how it sounds. I'm tempted to put it in one of my other guitars just to try it out..Maybe! When you are satisfied that you have what you want, you then have to wrap the pickup with string to protect the windings. And then pot with wax..... My potting wax melter is an old eyeglass frame bender. It melts the wax safely.

November 26th, 2008, 08:17 PM	#242 (permalink)
ehawley Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Keyport, New Jersey Age: 56 Posts: 1,212 48 Photos	The wax is a mix of bees wax, paraffin, and lamp black. You just lower the pickup into it for about 10 min. When finished, let it cool down and check the ohm reading again to make sure that all is well. NOTE...don't check the reading while the pickup is still hot because the reading will be WAY high!...about 2 to 3 K higher!

November 26th, 2008, 08:20 PM	#243 (permalink)
ehawley Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Keyport, New Jersey Age: 56 Posts: 1,212 48 Photos	This is what you will have when done.... Save your old pickup boxes! It's a great place to keep the ones you make! Jaydawg...I can't wait to hear this thing!! Thanks for the info on the magnets and gauge size! Motor and Bucko! Thanks for thinking of me... I'm still alive, and yes, I'm making the hay while I can!! I'm back into the building mode again as I have a SHORT reprieve from my busy work schedual! This weekend I'll post pictures of the body work in progress. Thanks all !! Cheers ED

November 26th, 2008, 09:05 PM	#245 (permalink)
ehawley Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Keyport, New Jersey Age: 56 Posts: 1,212 48 Photos	[quote=Nick JD;1522464]Whoa - 13K! If you don't like the sound of that pickup, Ed - you could always attach it to a crane, put some current though it and use it to lift cars... You always make my day Nick!! Lift cars?? I can use it as a tracktor beam on the Enterprise! Heck...I felt the fillings in my teeth move!! I hope it's not too hot! cheers ED

November 29th, 2008, 10:02 PM	#248 (permalink)
markito787 TDPRI Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: San Juan, Puerto Rico Age: 15 Posts: 60	This is one of the many threads that inspires me!!! Im a new guy in guitar building. I'l start my first tele build in christmas vacation. I'l order the neck because it cant be done wrong. Can anyone give me any tips? thanks, Mark

December 5th, 2008, 09:35 AM	#250 (permalink)
Ashwoody TDPRI Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Toronto Age: 56 Posts: 37	Is it done yet? need fix

June 27th, 2009, 10:59 AM	#251 (permalink)
ehawley Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Keyport, New Jersey Age: 56 Posts: 1,212 48 Photos	My oh my...It's been so long I forgot where I was at!!?! Now that things have settled down at work I can get back to the building phase! Things I love to do! I have several projects that I need to finish for friends ( who are very patient...thank you!) Before the Broadcaster gets touched! The VENEER neck is done and on my "surfcaster". I switched out a WD purchased neck with this one. The Macasser ebony finger board has an almost "liquid" feel to it. The hardness of the wood is the main contributor to this . I love the look of the veneer over the slab! Here are a few pictures.... Headstock... Jersey Surfcaster has a nice ring to it! (yes.. I am a stripe bass fisherman!) The surf green color is my favorite! The look of veneer on the heel end!! Headstock side...I still need to finish shaping the ends of the nut... The whole guitar...

June 27th, 2009, 11:03 AM	#252 (permalink)
ehawley Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Keyport, New Jersey Age: 56 Posts: 1,212 48 Photos	Another shot... Everything now will be the Broadcaster build. I will start another thread on my new Paulownia wood builds that I have going...(or starting)...and I am finishing up the stuff for two of my friends...I HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN YOU!!! Thanks and cheers ED

June 27th, 2009, 11:07 AM	#253 (permalink)
ehawley Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Keyport, New Jersey Age: 56 Posts: 1,212 48 Photos	Oh...Here is a side shot of the grain and flame on the neck....Thanks to my friend Dwight for the wood...Stuff is coming buddy!!!...

June 27th, 2009, 04:10 PM	#256 (permalink)
tdowns Friend of Leo's Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Wylie, TX US Posts: 3,096	Ed, You are awesome!! Great work. __________________ Best regards, Terry Downs http://terrydownsmusic.com Equine quadrupeds may be coaxed to the reference of specific gravity but may not be compelled to imbibe thereof.

June 27th, 2009, 04:19 PM	#257 (permalink)
Buckocaster51 Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Iowa USA Age: 57 Posts: 8,360 1 Photos	Very, very nice. Nice color. __________________ "If you can't say something nice... don't say nothing at all." - Thumper the Rabbit "An awfully lot of time can be wasted waiting for the right time." - Gunsmoke's Doc Adams

June 27th, 2009, 06:45 PM	#258 (permalink)
Arlo Friend of Leo's Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Traded the van for 3000 sqft of Prime! Age: 51 Posts: 2,598	Nice work as usual Ed! I bet that thing sounds and plays great!! __________________ My music? It is free for my friends.

June 29th, 2009, 10:17 AM	#259 (permalink)
Superc_1 Tele-Meister Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atkins,Arkansas Age: 51 Posts: 182 5 Photos	Sweet Sweet Sweet. I can hear the tide from here on that surfcaster.

June 30th, 2009, 11:42 PM	#260 (permalink)
ehawley Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Keyport, New Jersey Age: 56 Posts: 1,212 48 Photos	Thanks guys!! I have time to do fun stuff again and I love it!! As soon as the Broadcaster and other stuff are done it will be time to start the Paulownia "HulaCaster" or "IslandCaster" (haven't made up my mind yet) Again ,Thanks...it's good to be back! Cheers ED

July 2nd, 2009, 11:36 AM	#262 (permalink)
fisherbim TDPRI Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: davao city Posts: 29	this is simply remarkable! thank you sir and to those who contributed to this thread...wow... __________________ i love THINKING although sometimes it slows me down.

July 4th, 2009, 04:20 PM	#264 (permalink)
jwells393 Doctor of Teleocity Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Albuquerque, USA Age: 65 Posts: 14,261 101 Photos	What kind of wood is this? It looks like MDF. ...... __________________ Jack's Disclaimer: When I say something.... always ask yourself ..... "What the hell does he know?" I'm just not cool enough to be a Mac person.

July 5th, 2009, 09:46 AM	#266 (permalink)
ehawley Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Keyport, New Jersey Age: 56 Posts: 1,212 48 Photos	Hi Casual Reader... Yup...Fender did some wierd things back in the days! I've re-drawn my files to the 17 degree angle. I've made 8 guitars with the 14 degree angle and didn't have a problem on any. Go figure! Another one of my pet pieves Is the jack cup area. I've seen many a guitar made with a HUGE flat at the jack cup! I personally like the look of the early 50s with no flat. Seems to flow better and the cup still fits fine ( machined or pressed) Sounds like a POLL question! Thats why when someone asks for the file I'll send both...the "50s17dNF" with no flat and the "60s17dF" with a slight flat ...same as the 60s....Uh oh...I'm rambling!! Cheers ED Oh...by the way...The surf green body pictured above is one of my early mahogany bodies with the 14 degree cavity! Great sounding guitar and my new number 1 since I put the new veneer neck on her!

September 25th, 2009, 05:53 PM	#270 (permalink)
john finnigan TDPRI Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: washington dc Posts: 20	I've been looking at CNC routers and thinking about building a tele... Thanks for the inspiration.

September 26th, 2009, 12:15 PM	#271 (permalink)
stratman1966 TDPRI Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Madison Heights MI Posts: 46	Looks like another great thread. Thanks.

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