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Old August 28th, 2008, 10:22 PM   #201 (permalink)
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You do great work Ed.

I don't know if any of you other cnc guys have found this but milling hardwoods can be a read challenge. I seams like I'm for forever tweaking my feed rates and spindle speeds trying to make cleaner and smoother cuts. Seeing how cleanly machined Ed's parts are is very impressive.

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You do great Ed.

I don't know if any of you other cnc guys have found this but milling hardwoods can be a read challenge. I seams like I'm for forever tweaking my feed rates and spindle speeds trying to make cleaner and smoother cuts. Seeing how cleanly machined Ed's parts are is very impressive.
Thanks Jaydawg...I use a knee mill cnc which is MUCH MUCH more rigid than a cnc router base. I think that has something to do with it. Wound any pickups lately? I should start the winding of the 11 + K bridge pup in about a week!. I can't wait to hear the result! It should be hotter then a....hmmm...well, pretty hot!!
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Just went through the '53 thread and it's all just unbelievabubble...

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Is that fret slot cleaning tool made from a hacksaw blade?

Ed, you should take a guitar building class sometime to see how some of us have to do this with our primitive tools....
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Thanks Holndav!! Much appreciated!


OK...here is the start of the hand fret press. It is an 11R vise grip brand ...umm..vise grip!...



Since the working ends are hardend to RC64, I'm using a plunge EDM to put the 1/8 holding pin holes in. I could use a carbide drill but this is much more easy. EDMs are used to cut hardend metal, or anything that will conduct electricity. We use it to fabricate prototype plastic injection molds. They are VERY accurite. +/- .0002 of an inch when running the fine finish control head. Any shape you cut into a graphite or copper electrode will be reproduced into the metal block you are burning. Here is a picture of the EDM. It is an old Eltee Pulsiton EP30 from around 1973. Still works great. Looks like somethig from a Frankinstein movie!!...



The part or block is cut with a spark of electricity under a dielectric fluid. The fluid washes away the chips, keeps the workpiece cool, and helps to maintain a "good" spark. Here is a picture of the spark without any fluid in the tank, just to show you the power of the "spark"...



Here is the hole being cut with the fluid in the tank. Notice the spark is much more "stable"...

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Old August 28th, 2008, 11:28 PM   #206 (permalink)
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The spark is controlled by an "on" and "off" timer. Everything is in milliseconds. I'm running an on time of 35 ms and an off time of 20 ms and 12amps of power. Here is a picture of the start of the hole. I'm using a .125 copper tube to cut the hole, with dielectric fluid running down the center to clean the "chips" away...





Cutting...






Just another little machine I would like to show you!!
More coming soon!
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Is that fret slot cleaning tool made from a hacksaw blade?

Ed, you should take a guitar building class sometime to see how some of us have to do this with our primitive tools....
Yup...a hack saw blade. I ground a section out of the end of the blade where the hole is and thinned it down to .024. I didn't even use the cnc to do anything to it!!
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I love that machine!

It reminds me of stuff that I used to play with.

KNOBS that do something.

GUAGES!

SWITCHES!

NO monitors!

NO mice!

An honest to gosh-goodness analog doohickey.

It would pass for a Gonkulator on an episode of Hogan's Heros!

I'll bet it makes neat noises too!

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Old August 28th, 2008, 11:54 PM   #209 (permalink)
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I love that machine!

It reminds me of stuff that I used to play with.


I'll bet it makes neat noises too!

You know it does Steve!! And talk about EMI and EMR!!! Heck...I think all the fillings in my teeth have turned black from it!!

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Old August 29th, 2008, 03:53 AM   #210 (permalink)
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Now that's an electric drill.
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Old August 29th, 2008, 04:08 AM   #211 (permalink)
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Good googley-boogley! Who thunk up that machine and made it work? I wonder if they had enough brains left over to remember to put shoes on before they left the house in the morning?
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Old August 29th, 2008, 08:27 AM   #212 (permalink)
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Thanks Jaydawg...I use a knee mill cnc which is MUCH MUCH more rigid than a cnc router base. I think that has something to do with it. Wound any pickups lately? I should start the winding of the 11 + K bridge pup in about a week!. I can't wait to hear the result! It should be hotter then a....hmmm...well, pretty hot!!
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Your absolutely right. The panel router that I run is nice but its optimized for cutting sheet stock. Its an Onsrud G Series w/ overhead gantry and 5x12 vacuum table. I have to slow it WAY down if accuracy is what I'm after. Big square cabinet parts I can run at 1000 IPM. The guitar stuff I do on the machine is around 50 IPM.

And yes, I'm working on the broadcaster pup. I've got all the materials now, A2 mags and flatwork from MOJO and some 43 AWG wire. Now I'm trying to finish up my winding machine. Next couple weeks I should have a pup wound. I'm very excited about this little project. It's something I've been wanting to try for a while. Maybe now that Don Mare's back on TDPRI he'll give us some tips on winding a Lap Steel/Broadcaster style pup?
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The "Eltee Pulsiton EP30"

OMG, this just keeps getting better.

That is without a doubt one of the coolest maw-cheens I have ever seen.

I wanna come over and play around with it, can I? Please? Heh heh...

Keep it coming, Ed! The suspense is too much for this.

This hands-on creation showing our love of Teles is a blast to watch progress.

Oh...gotta go do some work now, they're still paying me (I think)...

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Hey Ed, you think 11k is going to be hot? I just got a broadcaster pup from Don M that measures 13k.
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You do great work Ed.

I don't know if any of you other cnc guys have found this but milling hardwoods can be a read challenge. I seams like I'm for forever tweaking my feed rates and spindle speeds trying to make cleaner and smoother cuts. Seeing how cleanly machined Ed's parts are is very impressive.
Jay, I saw your post below. Im in the same boat, Im using an SCM Tech99L for all the various guitar stuff I machine. I've been having good luck using 1/2" straight cut bits with reasonably high feed rates (about 60-70% of max) but only removing about .1-.15" in depth at a time. I have been getting some occasional chatter but they are coming out nicer every time.

That being said, I totally agree. Ed's seem to come off the mill pretty damn nice. I did this fretboard today and I haven't even sanded it yet. Came out pretty nice after being radius', probably one of the nicest pieces to come off the machine yet.

Ed looking good man. REALLY good.
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mindboggling work Ed. i love it!
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Old September 1st, 2008, 05:24 AM   #218 (permalink)
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this is good stuff ed! when you start winding, could you post a few pics of the winding of the pickups, or more specifically the pickup winder? I am making my own pickupwinder but there is not much stuff on the net about them so I have had to kind of make it up.

Once again this is amazing stuff, thanks for sharing it with us!
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Old September 7th, 2008, 01:35 AM   #219 (permalink)
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Hi all...The Broadcaster neck is done to the point of fret installation and finishing. Slots are cut, truss rod installed, skunk stripe and plug installed and head shaped. I won't post picks of the fret slotting and other cutting, you have all seen that before, but I will post the picks of the head shaping.

First, here is the neck after slotting, truss rod installation, and plug and skunk stripe installed...
The walnut plugs on the broadcasters in the Blackguard book (thanks Nacho and David...I owe you alot) were close to the topside of the nut. I kept it close as well!!...





skunk stripe...



12th fret dots...

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Here is a picture of the neck prior to head shaping...





Here is my collection of tools I use for shaping the back of the headstock. My wife had me bring in all the plants from the deck because of "the storm" Hanna. It never really came!... any way, tools...



This is a die makers curved file. I use this for alot of shaping that I do on EVERYTHING!...

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Here is one I use for FAST removal...



I used the pictures in the Blackguard book as referance for my shaping...



Die makers file is used mostly in the headstock heel area...

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Also...don't throw out your old bamboo tiki torches. If you split the bamboo they make great sanding sticks for odd radii. Just double stick tape sandpaper to the face. You even have a groove for your finger!! Very comfortable!...





And if your like me, you can use them to make your bagpipe reeds too!! (oops, another thread elsewhere)

When all the shaping is done you want it to look sort of like the pictures..

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Here is a before shaping and after shaping shot..

Before...



After...



It's now ready for side dots, tinting, frets, and finishing!
This is the first neck I made with the "soft V" contour. It feels great in your hands. It seems to cradle in the crook of your thumb and forefinger. It feels natural. I can't wait to see how it plays!
Next up will be the finishing of the body and the pickups. More to come soon!!
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Yet another stunning piece of work ehawley! This thread makes me want a cnc machine for christmas! he he he
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is the broadcaster going to be reliced?
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Thanks Telex!

By the way...I was just informed by a certain family member that there is no "R" in the first half of "VERNEER" .... Well.. you all knew what I ment...right? (she thinks she knows it all)

From now on it will be known as "VENEER"...(I looked it up in wiki.)
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Sorry I have been lurking for a few of your builds now and had to say something.

She is 100% correct However considering the artfulness of your work the total result could more acurately be called a

VERMEER. You have such a touch Ed. Thank You
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Did you get that pickup wound Ed?

I finally got my winding rig together and will be winding in the next day or so.
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Hey Folks!

It has been a while since we last heard from Mr. Ed Hawley.

I sent him an email to check in and no reply has anyone been in touch with him?

I know he's a busy guy and I'm hoping every thing is good.
Just think someone should check in with him.

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It has been a while since we last heard from Mr. Ed Hawley.

I sent him an email to check in and no reply has anyone been in touch with him?

I know he's a busy guy and I'm hoping every thing is good.
Just think someone should check in with him.

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I'm still here!!!...Just very busy at work. I made the hand press. I just haven't had time to take pics of anything yet. My daughters boyfriend is visiting for 2 weeks from California and that has taken alot of my time also....

I have some PMs I have to answer . I should be back in business next week sometime with the body (almost done with the filling and sanding) and the fretting and tinting of the broadcaster neck. And of course the pickups. (I can't wait to wind and try the bridge 10-11K screamer!! Jaydawg...have you wound yours yet?)

We also got the Bluegrass band back together one more time to play at the country jamboree here in Keyport, so we need to brush-up on our "stuff".

There just ain't enough hours in the day!!!
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Hi all....Thanks again for your concern!.. I am still kicking!

I thought that I'd add the pictures of the fret press I made. It works great.

Fret press parts...( I used an R11 vise-grip)
I cut the parts out of delrin. Added 1/8 cork on the bottom and a slot on the top piece to hold Stew-Mac brass cauls...



The veneer neck had some frets that were a little loose, so I used the press to hold them in place while I clued them with green ZAP!...





Well, that's the press. I'll use it to install the frets on the Broadcaster neck and let you all know how it worked. I made the parts out of delrin, but they could be made just as well from maple or any other hard wood. The cauls are brass and that is what takes most of the punishment. I'll post the files on the files page, or you can email me and I'll send them along.

I should be back into the swing of things this coming week with the body work and finishing. I'll also show the neck tinting with my new spray setup. Alcohol and stew-macs vintage amber color tone mixed and sprayed on. Works great and is cheap!!!

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Outstanding thread!!!! and Fantastic work!!
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Ed,

How has the build been going?

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I think Ed posted somewhere that real-life has intervened...he's planning on being back on this soon, but right now is making hay while the sun is shining.

If you know what I mean.

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You guys must have read my mind!!
Well...I had some time over the weekend and I was able to wind the bridge pickup! This is wound to a bit over 11K as per Jaydawgs specs!

BUT FIRST...A bit of fun stuff! We couldn't get the whole bluegrass band back together to play at the jamboree and chili fest in town , so Dick Hefron and I played . We had to set up our effectsboard, amp and PA system...LOOK at the POWER they told us we had to use!!?!


You could just feel the extension melting!!


Dick trying to get it working on 500 milli amps!!



Testing of the system drew a HUGE crowd!!



Huh Oh...Yup..That's me on the 5 string!



A fun time was had by all!!

Now..on to the pickups!!
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Prior to winding, the pickup chassis were dipped into old orange shellack. This makes them look old and dirty!





Here is a picture of my home-made winder. It's not pretty, but it gets the job done!



Just a power supply, motor, electronic counter, and hand micro switch for turning on and off. My "53 cnc build" thread goes into more detail.HERE...Somewhere around the middle!!?!
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The pickup is mounted on the head with double sided tape. The white pin centers the chassis on the head.



You the wrap the 43 guage wire (42 is usually used with a bridge pickup but this one is "special") around the eyelet and take a few turns to get things started.



As you are winding you just make sure that all is winding "even"!



When you get around the number of turns that you want (I was going to go 13,000 befor I checked...good thing I didn't!) , check the ohm reading to see where you are at!
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