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Old February 26th, 2013, 05:19 AM   #1 (permalink)
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turnarounds

so, In a 12 bar blues I usually play a V-IV turnaround with a V7 variation in the last bar.

I now of the II-V (or ii-V), but what are some other turnarounds I should probably work on?

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There's always a I-VI-ii-V

In key of G, something like G7 - E9 (or E7#9) - Am (played 5x555x) - D9

Or something like Bm-Bbm-Am-D9 (again in key of G). Could also play 7ths chords instead of minor

Both of those would be a half measure (2 beats) per chord

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Old February 26th, 2013, 10:06 AM   #3 (permalink)
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In G:

G G#dim Am7 D7
G Bbm7 Am7 D7
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When you get ready to go back to the I in bar 11, hit the III>VI>ii>V instead. "Georgia on My Mind" is one example of this turnaround. Alter each chord to your preference.
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Old February 26th, 2013, 12:46 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Here's a bunch ...



In minor ...


*Except for the last one, these can also work with a Major I chord.

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Old February 26th, 2013, 05:57 PM   #6 (permalink)
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^^^^ - and the terrific thing bout that is that you can (in most cases) move 'smoothly' from anywhere in the column to anywhere in the next adjacent column from left to right

Seriously thats great K.

Coltrane tunaround? Weird on the blues but heres one I work on....

F7///| Bb7/// | F7///| Cm7/ F7/ |

Bb7///| Bdim7///| Am7///| D7///|

Gm7/Bb7/|Ebmaj7/ Gb7/| Bmaj7/ D7/ | Gm7/ C7/|

creates big momentum back to the top of the form..
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Coltrane tunaround? Weird on the blues but heres one I work on....

F7///| Bb7/// | F7///| Cm7/ F7/ |

Bb7///| Bdim7///| Am7///| D7///|

Gm7/Bb7/|Ebmaj7/ Gb7/| Bmaj7/ D7/ | Gm7/ C7/|

creates big momentum back to the top of the form..
LIKE *That's not just a Trane turnaround but a mini Giant Steps.

I didn't label any of mine as the 'Trane turn but the bottom line of the first list is essentially it.

Here it is 'isolated' in C ... | Cmaj7 Eb13 | Abmaj7 Db13 |
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Aw man. Thanks guys. That's a good bit for me to get started working on.
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Old February 26th, 2013, 10:59 PM   #9 (permalink)
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this is a great post for a rookie like me

thanks all
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Old February 26th, 2013, 11:31 PM   #10 (permalink)
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What you are calling the Coltrane turnaround pre dates him, Tadd Dameron wrote that turnaround into his composition "Ladybird" (only in Ladybird they were four major chords with the same roots) so many people consider that the Ladybird turnaround. Wes Montgomery used that type of turnaround for West Coast Blues and I have heard it in "Here's That Rainy Day" too. I was taught to think of the Trane turnaround and/or the "Coltrane Matrix" more as what he did in "Count Down" or "Giant Steps" which are essentially taken from the bridge of "Have You Met Miss Jones?"
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You're right gt - my mistake.
I subconsciously know it's the Ladybird turn but I've called it the Trane turn forever probably because I associate m3 > 4th > 4th w/John Coltrane.
An actual 4 bar Coltrane turnaround in C would be:
| Dm7 G7 Bbm7 Eb9 | Abmaj7 - F#m7 B7 | Emaj7 - Dm7 G7 | Cmaj7 |

or, condensed into 2 bars: | Dm7 Eb9 Abmaj7 B13 | Emaj7 Db13 Cmaj7 - |
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I was taught to think of the Trane turnaround and/or the "Coltrane Matrix" more as what he did in "Count Down" or "Giant Steps" which are essentially taken from the bridge of "Have You Met Miss Jones?"
The story goes that he got it from the Slonimski book. But its there right in the middle of Ravel's Ondine from the 'Gaspard' suite - which predates Miss Jones and Slonimski by 30 years or so...
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The story goes that he got it from the Slonimski book. But its there right in the middle of Ravel's Ondine from the 'Gaspard' suite - which predates Miss Jones and Slonimski by 30 years or so...
Wow, we're really reeling it back now! I knew about Miss Jones, but now I have to look up Ravel.
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When you get ready to go back to the I in bar 11, hit the III>VI>ii>V instead. "Georgia on My Mind" is one example of this turnaround. Alter each chord to your preference.
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Wow, we're really reeling it back now! I knew about Miss Jones, but now I have to look up Ravel.
Didja see the movie "10?"
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Didja see the movie "10?"
What?! Ravel invented corn rows, too?
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Great thread and thanks for sharing, TTTT wizards.
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