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' burn 08 · February 26th, 2013, 04:19 AM

so, In a 12 bar blues I usually play a V-IV turnaround with a V7 variation in the last bar.

I now of the II-V (or ii-V), but what are some other turnarounds I should probably work on?

ddewerd · February 26th, 2013, 06:46 AM

There's always a I-VI-ii-V

In key of G, something like G7 - E9 (or E7#9) - Am (played 5x555x) - D9

Or something like Bm-Bbm-Am-D9 (again in key of G). Could also play 7ths chords instead of minor

Both of those would be a half measure (2 beats) per chord

Cheers,
Doug

Leon Grizzard · February 26th, 2013, 09:06 AM

In G:

G G#dim Am7 D7
G Bbm7 Am7 D7

jbmando · February 26th, 2013, 09:53 AM

When you get ready to go back to the I in bar 11, hit the III>VI>ii>V instead. "Georgia on My Mind" is one example of this turnaround. Alter each chord to your preference.

klasaine · February 26th, 2013, 11:46 AM

Here's a bunch ...

In minor ...

*Except for the last one, these can also work with a Major I chord.

slowpinky · February 26th, 2013, 04:57 PM

^^^^ - and the terrific thing bout that is that you can (in most cases) move 'smoothly' from anywhere in the column to anywhere in the next adjacent column from left to right

Seriously thats great K.

Coltrane tunaround? Weird on the blues but heres one I work on....

F7///| Bb7/// | F7///| Cm7/ F7/ |

Bb7///| Bdim7///| Am7///| D7///|

Gm7/Bb7/|Ebmaj7/ Gb7/| Bmaj7/ D7/ | Gm7/ C7/|

creates big momentum back to the top of the form..

klasaine · February 26th, 2013, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by slowpinky

Coltrane tunaround? Weird on the blues but heres one I work on....

F7///| Bb7/// | F7///| Cm7/ F7/ |

Bb7///| Bdim7///| Am7///| D7///|

Gm7/Bb7/|Ebmaj7/ Gb7/| Bmaj7/ D7/ | Gm7/ C7/|

creates big momentum back to the top of the form..

LIKE *That's not just a Trane turnaround but a mini Giant Steps.

I didn't label any of mine as the 'Trane turn but the bottom line of the first list is essentially it.

Here it is 'isolated' in C ... | Cmaj7 Eb13 | Abmaj7 Db13 |

' burn 08 · February 26th, 2013, 07:51 PM

Aw man. Thanks guys. That's a good bit for me to get started working on.

Teletubbi · February 26th, 2013, 09:59 PM

this is a great post for a rookie like me

thanks all

gtroates · February 26th, 2013, 10:31 PM

What you are calling the Coltrane turnaround pre dates him, Tadd Dameron wrote that turnaround into his composition "Ladybird" (only in Ladybird they were four major chords with the same roots) so many people consider that the Ladybird turnaround. Wes Montgomery used that type of turnaround for West Coast Blues and I have heard it in "Here's That Rainy Day" too. I was taught to think of the Trane turnaround and/or the "Coltrane Matrix" more as what he did in "Count Down" or "Giant Steps" which are essentially taken from the bridge of "Have You Met Miss Jones?"

klasaine · February 27th, 2013, 02:28 AM

You're right gt - my mistake.
I subconsciously know it's the Ladybird turn but I've called it the Trane turn forever probably because I associate m3 > 4th > 4th w/John Coltrane.
An actual 4 bar Coltrane turnaround in C would be:
| Dm7 G7 Bbm7 Eb9 | Abmaj7 - F#m7 B7 | Emaj7 - Dm7 G7 | Cmaj7 |

or, condensed into 2 bars: | Dm7 Eb9 Abmaj7 B13 | Emaj7 Db13 Cmaj7 - |

slowpinky · February 27th, 2013, 03:04 AM

Quote:

I was taught to think of the Trane turnaround and/or the "Coltrane Matrix" more as what he did in "Count Down" or "Giant Steps" which are essentially taken from the bridge of "Have You Met Miss Jones?"

The story goes that he got it from the Slonimski book. But its there right in the middle of Ravel's Ondine from the 'Gaspard' suite - which predates Miss Jones and Slonimski by 30 years or so...

BigDaddyLH · February 27th, 2013, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by slowpinky

The story goes that he got it from the Slonimski book. But its there right in the middle of Ravel's Ondine from the 'Gaspard' suite - which predates Miss Jones and Slonimski by 30 years or so...

Wow, we're really reeling it back now! I knew about Miss Jones, but now I have to look up Ravel.

AndyLowry · February 27th, 2013, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbmando

When you get ready to go back to the I in bar 11, hit the III>VI>ii>V instead. "Georgia on My Mind" is one example of this turnaround. Alter each chord to your preference.

Nifty!

AndyLowry · February 27th, 2013, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDaddyLH

Wow, we're really reeling it back now! I knew about Miss Jones, but now I have to look up Ravel.

Didja see the movie "10?"

BigDaddyLH · February 27th, 2013, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by AndyLowry

Didja see the movie "10?"

What?! Ravel invented corn rows, too?

Breen · February 28th, 2013, 12:20 AM

Great thread and thanks for sharing, TTTT wizards.

February 26th, 2013, 04:19 AM	#1 (permalink)
' burn 08 Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Decatur, AL Posts: 1,935	turnarounds so, In a 12 bar blues I usually play a V-IV turnaround with a V7 variation in the last bar. I now of the II-V (or ii-V), but what are some other turnarounds I should probably work on?

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jbmando Friend of Leo's Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Plymouth Meeting, PA Posts: 3,732	When you get ready to go back to the I in bar 11, hit the III>VI>ii>V instead. "Georgia on My Mind" is one example of this turnaround. Alter each chord to your preference. __________________ "Theory only seems like rocket science when you don't know it. Once you understand it, it's more like plumbing!"~John McGann There is no "A" anywhere in Lynyrd Skynyrd. It's S Q U I E R! Not Squire. Look at your guitar!

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klasaine Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: los angeles (eagle rock), Posts: 6,164 10 Photos	Here's a bunch ... In minor ... Except for the last one, these can also work with a Major* I chord. __________________ Spanning 23 years ... http://soundcloud.com/klasaine Last edited by klasaine; February 26th, 2013 at 04:32 PM.

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slowpinky Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Melbourne ,Australia Posts: 1,291	^^^^ - and the terrific thing bout that is that you can (in most cases) move 'smoothly' from anywhere in the column to anywhere in the next adjacent column from left to right Seriously thats great K. Coltrane tunaround? Weird on the blues but heres one I work on.... F7///\| Bb7/// \| F7///\| Cm7/ F7/ \| Bb7///\| Bdim7///\| Am7///\| D7///\| Gm7/Bb7/\|Ebmaj7/ Gb7/\| Bmaj7/ D7/ \| Gm7/ C7/\| creates big momentum back to the top of the form.. __________________ "We were making music before language"

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gtroates Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Seattle, Washington (USA) Age: 48 Posts: 331	What you are calling the Coltrane turnaround pre dates him, Tadd Dameron wrote that turnaround into his composition "Ladybird" (only in Ladybird they were four major chords with the same roots) so many people consider that the Ladybird turnaround. Wes Montgomery used that type of turnaround for West Coast Blues and I have heard it in "Here's That Rainy Day" too. I was taught to think of the Trane turnaround and/or the "Coltrane Matrix" more as what he did in "Count Down" or "Giant Steps" which are essentially taken from the bridge of "Have You Met Miss Jones?" __________________ Imitate, assimilate, innovate... (Clark Terry)

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February 26th, 2013, 06:46 AM	#2 (permalink)
ddewerd Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Willow Springs, Great-State-of-Texas Age: 53 Posts: 1,515 28 Photos	There's always a I-VI-ii-V In key of G, something like G7 - E9 (or E7#9) - Am (played 5x555x) - D9 Or something like Bm-Bbm-Am-D9 (again in key of G). Could also play 7ths chords instead of minor Both of those would be a half measure (2 beats) per chord Cheers, Doug

February 26th, 2013, 09:06 AM	#3 (permalink)
Leon Grizzard Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Austin, Texas Age: 63 Posts: 2,712	In G: G G#dim Am7 D7 G Bbm7 Am7 D7

February 26th, 2013, 07:51 PM	#8 (permalink)
' burn 08 Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Decatur, AL Posts: 1,935	Aw man. Thanks guys. That's a good bit for me to get started working on.

February 26th, 2013, 09:59 PM	#9 (permalink)
Teletubbi Tele-Meister Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: West Redneck, Az Posts: 449	this is a great post for a rookie like me thanks all

February 27th, 2013, 02:28 AM	#11 (permalink)
klasaine Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: los angeles (eagle rock), Posts: 6,164 10 Photos	You're right gt - my mistake. I subconsciously know it's the Ladybird turn but I've called it the Trane turn forever probably because I associate m3 > 4th > 4th w/John Coltrane. An actual 4 bar Coltrane turnaround in C would be: \| Dm7 G7 Bbm7 Eb9 \| Abmaj7 - F#m7 B7 \| Emaj7 - Dm7 G7 \| Cmaj7 \| or, condensed into 2 bars: \| Dm7 Eb9 Abmaj7 B13 \| Emaj7 Db13 Cmaj7 - \| __________________ Spanning 23 years ... http://soundcloud.com/klasaine

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Breen Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Singapore Age: 27 Posts: 3,454	Great thread and thanks for sharing, TTTT wizards. __________________ "Ask not what your Tele can do for you, but what your fingers can do for your Tele." The versatility of a Tele is almost unmatched. - Ted Greene

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