Is hybrid picking possible without nails? - Telecaster Guitar Forum
The Number 1 Fender Telecaster Guitar authority in the world.
   

Go Back   Telecaster Guitar Forum > Other Discussion Forums > Tab, Tips, Theory and Technique
Forgot Username/Password? Join Us!
Notices

Tab, Tips, Theory and Technique Formerly "Suger Free Tab & Music 101." Look for and post TAB, talk about playing technique or music theory. Nuts and bolts of playing music... not gear.


Wilde Pickups by Bill & Becky Lawrence WD Music Products Amplified Parts Mod Kits DIY Amps, Mods, Pedals dallenpickups.com Warmoth.com seymourduncan.com


Forum Jump


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old January 16th, 2013, 01:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
Friend of Leo's
 
ADinNYC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: New York City
Age: 48
Posts: 2,107
Is hybrid picking possible without nails?

Can you still dig in and get a chicken pickin' pop.

I recently started playing bass and really want to use a proper two-finger technique but I can't because I grow my nails for hybrid picking on the guitar.

__________________
He said to the music store clerk - "Do you have a pedal that makes it sound like I'm plugged straight into my amp?"
ADinNYC is offline   Reply With Quote

Old January 16th, 2013, 01:15 PM   #2 (permalink)
Poster Extraordinaire
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seattle
Age: 44
Posts: 7,351
I keep my nails trimmed and have no problem with it, though I tend to "snap" the strings rather than "pluck" them. In that regard, I have found that if I don't keep them trimmed they tend to snag on the strings.
Frodebro is offline   Reply With Quote

Old January 16th, 2013, 01:25 PM   #3 (permalink)
Tele-Holic
 
guitar dan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: houston
Posts: 850
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodebro View Post
I keep my nails trimmed and have no problem with it, though I tend to "snap" the strings rather than "pluck" them. In that regard, I have found that if I don't keep them trimmed they tend to snag on the strings.
Exactly. Me too.
guitar dan is online now   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links   #
Sponsored posting
 

Old January 16th, 2013, 02:08 PM   #4 (permalink)
Tele-Afflicted
 
Bongocaster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: From the home of King Records
Posts: 1,575
I don't use a pick and am constantly fooling with the length of mine trying to find that spot where I can use my nails but not break them all of the time doing other things. You might be surprised at how short they can be and still be usable.

Now that's with hardly ever picking with just my nails but with nail and finger, and then the shorter they are the easier it is to grab just the flesh when you want to get that sound. Now if you are trying to do the Johnny Hiland thing...

So you might find a length that allows you to do hybrid on your guitar and still use them on your bass.
__________________
Yipee aiyoh kaiyay! Ride 'em cowboy chords!
Bongocaster is offline   Reply With Quote

Old January 16th, 2013, 02:59 PM   #5 (permalink)
Poster Extraordinaire
 
boneyguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: victoria b.c. CANADA
Age: 55
Posts: 9,925
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bongocaster View Post
You might be surprised at how short they can be and still be usable.
Yup. I used to spend way to much time babying my nails like I was a concert classical guitarist or a Jersey Shore girl. Eventually, like Bongocaster, it became evident that my nail length didn't need so much fussing in order to be of a useful length.

In my experience for hybrid picking all you need is the nail to extend to the tip of the finger and maybe a bit beyond. What that does is simply reinforce the fingertip and allows the end of the nail to contact the string. I think of it like how many horn players will grown a soul patch because they believe it strengthens their embouchure.
__________________
Certainty is a feeling...not a fact.
boneyguy is offline   Reply With Quote

Old January 16th, 2013, 03:00 PM   #6 (permalink)
Poster Extraordinaire
 
boneyguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: victoria b.c. CANADA
Age: 55
Posts: 9,925
dbl post
__________________
Certainty is a feeling...not a fact.
boneyguy is offline   Reply With Quote

Old January 16th, 2013, 03:06 PM   #7 (permalink)
Tele-Holic
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 807
You don't need much nail to get the sound. To be honest with my technique I get a little bit of nail and a little bit of flesh on the string. Sounds mighty fine to me.
twangjeff is offline   Reply With Quote

Old January 16th, 2013, 03:06 PM   #8 (permalink)
Friend of Leo's
 
ADinNYC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: New York City
Age: 48
Posts: 2,107
Quote:
Originally Posted by boneyguy View Post
Yup. I used to spend way to much time babying my nails like I was a concert classical guitarist or a Jersey Shore girl. Eventually, like Bongocaster, it became evident that my nail length didn't need so much fussing in order to be of a useful length.

In my experience for hybrid picking all you need is the nail to extend to the tip of the finger and maybe a bit beyond. What that does is simply reinforce the fingertip and provide a bit of nail to contact the string. I think of it like how many horn players will grown a soul patch because they believe it strengthens their embouchure.
But unfortunately I find I have to cut the nails all the way back or they'll hit the bass strings.
__________________
He said to the music store clerk - "Do you have a pedal that makes it sound like I'm plugged straight into my amp?"
ADinNYC is offline   Reply With Quote

Old January 16th, 2013, 03:14 PM   #9 (permalink)
Tele-Afflicted
 
Bongocaster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: From the home of King Records
Posts: 1,575
Quote:
Originally Posted by boneyguy View Post
Yup. I used to spend way to much time babying my nails like I was a concert classical guitarist or a Jersey Shore girl. Eventually, like Bongocaster, it became evident that my nail length didn't need so much fussing in order to be of a useful length.

In my experience for hybrid picking all you need is the nail to extend to the tip of the finger and maybe a bit beyond. What that does is simply reinforce the fingertip and allows the end of the nail to contact the string. I think of it like how many horn players will grown a soul patch because they believe it strengthens their embouchure.
I've got mine not even not past my fingertips. I'd like to keep them longer but then I'll break them on something. It gets kind of silly some times but I will even look ahead at what I will be doing (like working on something in the shop) and vary the length accordingly.

I will take my fingers and kind of pick/pluck at my thumb, or thumb against my fingers and if I can feel that pretty strongly I feel that I'm good to go.
__________________
Yipee aiyoh kaiyay! Ride 'em cowboy chords!
Bongocaster is offline   Reply With Quote

Old January 16th, 2013, 05:54 PM   #10 (permalink)
Tele-Holic
 
honeycreek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: OH
Age: 32
Posts: 867
Quote:
Originally Posted by ADinNYC View Post
But unfortunately I find I have to cut the nails all the way back or they'll hit the bass strings.
Perhaps you need to relook at your technique on bass? I have no issue playing bass with nails long enough to hybrid pick. Of course, you may not have fat fingers like I do. Your statement makes me think of how my wife was playing the bass when she was trying to learn. She used the very tip of her finger to play the bass and kept her fingers very curled up. That is definitely not how I play bass.
honeycreek is online now   Reply With Quote

Old January 17th, 2013, 08:06 AM   #11 (permalink)
Tele-Meister
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Sydney,NSW
Posts: 453
According to Tommy Emannuel his right hand finger nails dont work very well for picking so he uses the flesh of his fingers. I think Albert Lee does too. Maybe once you get some calluses on your fingertips happening all will be well. Please let us know how you go if you try this.

steve
transmaniacon is offline   Reply With Quote

Old January 17th, 2013, 08:58 AM   #12 (permalink)
Tele-Holic
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: virginia
Posts: 965
Quote:
Originally Posted by transmaniacon View Post
According to Tommy Emannuel his right hand finger nails dont work very well for picking so he uses the flesh of his fingers. I think Albert Lee does too. Maybe once you get some calluses on your fingertips happening all will be well. Please let us know how you go if you try this.

steve
+1 on the calluses. i keep my nails short and use the fleshy bits on the finger tip, which hardens over time into something like a callus. in my case, it's more like just a hardened flat space.

the only nail i shape is my index finger, which is just a tad longer than the rest and cut straight across at about a 30 degree angle left (lower) to right (taller). it looks strange, but works great for playing straight rhthym, acoustic or electric, and has developed a kind of "roll", raised place right across the tip of it (which is what i keep in shape) which sounds just like a pick when i play it that way. i find WAY more tonal choices playing everything with my fingers than with a pick. playing with the pick being yet another tonal choice available.

btw : i play acoustic a lot at home, i think the higher tension-thicker strings help develop all of the above. but you can't practice the tonal variations of picking the electric (especially the tele) with all the minute adjustments you can make with your fingers except plugged in. and preferably at stage volumes as well. it's just not the same on your little practice amp.
banjohabit is offline   Reply With Quote

Old January 17th, 2013, 09:20 AM   #13 (permalink)
Tele-Meister
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: enola, pa
Posts: 138
I've been chickenpickin' for 35 years with just fingertips on a Telecaster. You do get more of a snap, but that's cool to me.
I use the same technique with a flatpick or thumbpick. Actually, with a thumbpick I can get nicer string seperation for complex chords employing the index finger. I'm faster with a flatpick, but fast isn't alway best.
uncletele is offline   Reply With Quote

Old January 17th, 2013, 09:30 AM   #14 (permalink)
Tele-Meister
 
Telegeekster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: The Old Line State
Posts: 225
My $0.02--

Just make sure you don't leave square corners when you cut your nails. Nails don't have to be long, just rounded to the sides or they tend to snag unexpectedly.

If you are playing bass regularly with fingers (not a pick), you should develop some decent callouses that advance your chickin-pickin agenda quite nicely...
Telegeekster is offline   Reply With Quote

Old January 17th, 2013, 09:44 AM   #15 (permalink)
Tele-Afflicted
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: bloomington, in
Posts: 1,663
Quote:
Originally Posted by ADinNYC View Post
Can you still dig in and get a chicken pickin' pop.
Yes.
clayfeat is offline   Reply With Quote

Old January 17th, 2013, 10:30 AM   #16 (permalink)
Tele-Afflicted
 
Vladimir's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Zagreb, Croatia
Age: 44
Posts: 1,663
When I grew up learning classical guitar, the rule I was told was: nylon=nails, metal=no nails.
How does Mark Knopfler do it, he's been a fingerpicker forever, right?
__________________
Vladimir

"Country is jazz on the back pickup"
- Brad Paisley
Vladimir is online now   Reply With Quote

Old January 17th, 2013, 11:58 AM   #17 (permalink)
Tele-Holic
 
vincent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Big Rapids, Michigan
Posts: 715
Quote:
Originally Posted by twangjeff View Post
You don't need much nail to get the sound. To be honest with my technique I get a little bit of nail and a little bit of flesh on the string. Sounds mighty fine to me.
^^^ +1
__________________
Vinnie
vincent is offline   Reply With Quote

Old January 17th, 2013, 12:08 PM   #18 (permalink)
Tele-Afflicted
 
Bongocaster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: From the home of King Records
Posts: 1,575
Quote:
Originally Posted by banjohabit View Post
btw : i play acoustic a lot at home, i think the higher tension-thicker strings help develop all of the above. but you can't practice the tonal variations of picking the electric (especially the tele) with all the minute adjustments you can make with your fingers except plugged in. and preferably at stage volumes as well. it's just not the same on your little practice amp.
The larger diameter strings are easier on your nails too, when I grabbed a friends guitar with (shudder) 9s on it, ate right into them.
__________________
Yipee aiyoh kaiyay! Ride 'em cowboy chords!
Bongocaster is offline   Reply With Quote

Old January 17th, 2013, 12:09 PM   #19 (permalink)
Doctor of Teleocity
 
telex76's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Fort Worth,Tx.
Age: 63
Posts: 11,109
You don't need nails for hybrid chicken picking. I tried using nails for awhile (just barely long enough to use) but they would wear down or break no matter how much time I spent caring for them.
I went to using just flesh and after a little time got to where it sounded very even.
I guess the nails still make a little contact because they stay worn down without having to trim them.
telex76 is offline   Reply With Quote

Old January 17th, 2013, 12:10 PM   #20 (permalink)
Tele-Afflicted
 
Bongocaster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: From the home of King Records
Posts: 1,575
Quote:
Originally Posted by Telegeekster View Post
My $0.02--

Just make sure you don't leave square corners when you cut your nails. Nails don't have to be long, just rounded to the sides or they tend to snag unexpectedly.
At 2 pennies that's a bargain and really good basic advice.
__________________
Yipee aiyoh kaiyay! Ride 'em cowboy chords!
Bongocaster is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Forum Jump


» Random Photo for Guests
Green/Silver Paisley - Front

Untitled Document



 


Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2



IMPORTANT:Treat everyone here with respect, no matter how difficult! No sex, drug, political, religion or hate discussion permitted here.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0 RC 2
© TDPRI.COM 1999 - 2014 All rights reserved.