i can't really consider myself a guitarist - Telecaster Guitar Forum
The Number 1 Fender Telecaster Guitar authority in the world.
   

Go Back   Telecaster Guitar Forum > Other Discussion Forums > Tab, Tips, Theory and Technique
Forgot Username/Password? Join Us!
Notices

Tab, Tips, Theory and Technique Formerly "Suger Free Tab & Music 101." Look for and post TAB, talk about playing technique or music theory. Nuts and bolts of playing music... not gear.


Wilde Pickups by Bill & Becky Lawrence WD Music Products Amplified Parts Mod Kits DIY Amps, Mods, Pedals dallenpickups.com Warmoth.com seymourduncan.com


Forum Jump


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old November 30th, 2012, 01:28 PM   #1 (permalink)
Tele-Holic
 
doof's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada
Posts: 514
i can't really consider myself a guitarist

I'm wondering if anyone else is in this situation. I've been playing the guitar for about 15 years now. Never took any lessons, just looked up tabs for songs that i liked. So while i know chord shapes, and how to play a song by looking at tabs, i really have no clue about anything when it comes to actually making music on a guitar.

I don't know the first thing about theory, i couldn't play you any scales if you asked me to. I certainly can't improvise over chords in any appreciable way. basically i can't do anything that would classify me as an actual guitarist, since i can't properly use the tool to create music. Sure i can look at tabs and reproduce the music displayed, but i have no idea why the notes in that solo sound good, and can't fathom how someone could have came up with it.

Every time i've tried to go through some beginner lessons on theory or scales or some such thing i just immediately feel overwhelmed with the concepts and terminology and give up, resigning to just plunking around on the guitar.

i'm fairly ashamed to admit all this, but i wanted to get it off my chest. does anybody else struggle with this?

doof is offline   Reply With Quote

Old November 30th, 2012, 01:34 PM   #2 (permalink)
Friend of Leo's
 
chippertheripper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Fhvn ma
Posts: 2,128
I'm only like a half step in front of you. If you're blown away be terminology and theory, just look for note patterns in the solos you know. That's a decent place to start without any technical mumbo jumbo.
__________________
Nebula4
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brad Pittiful View Post
my parents hated my tone when i was little...they kept saying...i dont like your tone young man!
theNebulasgnarly instro-surf
chippertheripper is offline   Reply With Quote

Old November 30th, 2012, 01:43 PM   #3 (permalink)
Tele-Afflicted
 
telestratosonic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Saskatchewan, Canada
Age: 64
Posts: 1,159
When asked if he knew any theory, didn't Chet Atkins reply with: "not enough to interfere with my playing"?
telestratosonic is offline   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links   #
Sponsored posting
 

Old November 30th, 2012, 01:49 PM   #4 (permalink)
Friend of Leo's
 
sacizob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Middlesex County, MA
Posts: 2,599
Learn the notes on the entire fret board. Its really not hard. Once you got that down it makes everything a easier.
__________________
Buddy Holly Lives!
sacizob is offline   Reply With Quote

Old November 30th, 2012, 01:59 PM   #5 (permalink)
Tele-Afflicted
 
burtonfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: michigan
Age: 47
Posts: 1,023
If that's where you are with the guitar, but still enjoy it...mission accomplished! The whole point is to have fun. Sometimes we forget that simple fact. Possessing a Paganini-like knowledge of the instrument won't necessarily make it more enjoyable...often quite the opposite.

If you enjoy reading tabs and miming records, SO BE IT! Don't be ashamed or apologize for who you are as a musician.

BTW, you ARE a guitarist!
__________________
He who claims, "...she won't let...", seriously needs to grow a set!
burtonfan is offline   Reply With Quote

Old November 30th, 2012, 02:04 PM   #6 (permalink)
Tele-Meister
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 199
At one time I felt this way and lessons have certainly helped me. The stuff that really helped me was;

learning what notes are in the chords
learning the major scales and the chords derived from it.
How the major and minor pentatonic scales sit in the major scale
learning triads all over the neck
Improvising to backing tracks. This really helps you hear what works and doesn't and learn to use your ears.

Check out Justin's free beginner course. The songs you know and the theory will come together. Good luck

http://www.justinguitar.com/en/BC-00...nersCourse.php
rave is online now   Reply With Quote

Old November 30th, 2012, 02:20 PM   #7 (permalink)
Tele-Afflicted
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 1,422
I've developed some terms along those lines:
A Musician knows music theory, plain and simple.
A Guitarist is a Musician who plays guitar.
A Guitar Player is someone who plays what he has learned, on guitar.

I've called a friend who passed away a few years ago an Artist. That's because as a guitar player, he didn't know any theory (not a Musician) and really couldn't play guitar very well either.

The step from Guitar Player to Guitarist is a function of time for most of us, but you also gotta make the decision to learn something. Each bit you learn adds to other bits, and light bulbs start popping.

The advice of copying licks is one method many people suggest, including many of our heros. That's all I did for years, and still couldn't improv without breaking into a recognizeable solo. It was only after I learned what I was doing (theory) that I could start putting things together.

If you can't instantly pick out all of the E's or A's or (pick one) on the fret board, that should definately be your starting point. The octave interval is the most fundamental. It will define the root of any chord you play. Then I'd suggest chord construction. Play a major and a minor (A and Am for instance) and see what changed, and realize that one note (the third) is flatted in the minor. Do the same for dominate 7, major 7, etc. You'll also have to memorize the major scale in order to do that exercise. It's tedious, but it has to be done. (How else will you know where the 'third' is?)

A teacher is always good, even for a short time, to get you out of a rut.

Good luck
FenderLover is offline   Reply With Quote

Old November 30th, 2012, 03:21 PM   #8 (permalink)
Tele-Holic
 
stinkey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: malmö sweden
Posts: 887
But above all, have FUN!
stinkey is offline   Reply With Quote

Old November 30th, 2012, 03:41 PM   #9 (permalink)
Friend of Leo's
 
sir humphrey's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Bristol
Posts: 2,890
This guy has a very interesting perspective on what being a musician means.



Although this video is for bass players, I recommend it for every musician. It's the best instructional video I have ever watched, by one of today's best musicians. Incredibly insightful. Worth every penny.
sir humphrey is online now   Reply With Quote

Old November 30th, 2012, 04:12 PM   #10 (permalink)
Tele-Holic
 
mrboson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Brookings, OR
Age: 46
Posts: 922
Quote:
Originally Posted by doof View Post
...i really have no clue about anything when it comes to actually making music on a guitar....
I would disagree and say that you do. Even if you are playing what someone else tabbed or created a chart for you, you are making music on your guitar. When it comes out of your instrument it is your sound and tone and style coming from your hands. Nobody else in the world has that.

Quote:
Originally Posted by doof View Post
Every time i've tried to go through some beginner lessons on theory or scales or some such thing i just immediately feel overwhelmed with the concepts and terminology and give up, resigning to just plunking around on the guitar.

i'm fairly ashamed to admit all this, but i wanted to get it off my chest. does anybody else struggle with this?
No shame, buddy. But this is the theory forum, and you might get a few words from folks from the perspective of the importance of theory. They are not judging you or putting you down, you just have to understand it is something that is important to them. Well, me as well. I became a guitar player first, then added theory later. I am very glad that I did.
mrboson is offline   Reply With Quote

Old November 30th, 2012, 04:49 PM   #11 (permalink)
Doctor of Teleocity
 
telex76's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Fort Worth,Tx.
Age: 63
Posts: 11,814
I never set out to learn any theory.

I seem to have picked up quite abit of it in spite of myself.
telex76 is offline   Reply With Quote

Old November 30th, 2012, 05:18 PM   #12 (permalink)
TDPRI Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: North Wales, PA
Age: 51
Posts: 30
Sounds like you need to find a teacher who can teach you music theory and how it applies to your study. If you can't find a teacher like that then justin guitar website is a good start. I would suggest spending at least 6 months of study on his free beginner and intermediate guitar lessons and then purchase his premium lessons to fill the gap. If you commit to that type of study you will no longer see a void in your music future, you will no longer rely on tabs, and you will have many more options available to choose from with your future music goals.

Just my 2 cents worth

Chris
Chris2P is offline   Reply With Quote

Old November 30th, 2012, 05:33 PM   #13 (permalink)
Tele-Holic
 
doof's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada
Posts: 514
wow guys, i very much appreciate all the support and suggestions, thank you. I do have a lot of fun when i'm just playing on my own, but when i try to jam with friends my shortcomings become apparent, and kind of kills some of the fun.

I was about to pull the trigger on lessons from an instructor in town, but then my student loan payments kicked in last month, and i decided i better hold off for a while.

Anyways, i appreciate your help friends, all the best!
doof is offline   Reply With Quote

Old November 30th, 2012, 05:57 PM   #14 (permalink)
Tele-Afflicted
 
Abu Twangy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Rocky Mount, NC
Posts: 1,130
Quote:
Originally Posted by doof View Post
wow guys, i very much appreciate all the support and suggestions, thank you. I do have a lot of fun when i'm just playing on my own, but when i try to jam with friends my shortcomings become apparent, and kind of kills some of the fun.

I was about to pull the trigger on lessons from an instructor in town, but then my student loan payments kicked in last month, and i decided i better hold off for a while.

Anyways, i appreciate your help friends, all the best!
Just a little bit more about the value of lessons from a good instructor--my stepdaughter took up guitar at age 40 and took lessons. In a couple of years she had organized a successful local band that was booked at some decent paying venues. Now after six years she has continued to develop as a guitarist.

I taught myself and it took me about ten years to get to where she was in maybe two years.

And I'd say I started with more natural musical talent.
__________________
I've played all the musical venues in Nashville
North Carolina, that is
Abu Twangy is offline   Reply With Quote

Old November 30th, 2012, 06:19 PM   #15 (permalink)
Friend of Leo's
 
ADinNYC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: New York City
Age: 48
Posts: 2,168
Quote:
Originally Posted by sir humphrey View Post
This guy has a very interesting perspective on what being a musician means.



Although this video is for bass players, I recommend it for every musician. It's the best instructional video I have ever watched, by one of today's best musicians. Incredibly insightful. Worth every penny.
Excellent post Sir Humphrey! I love Victor! I may have to buy that DVD.
__________________
He said to the music store clerk - "Do you have a pedal that makes it sound like I'm plugged straight into my amp?"
ADinNYC is offline   Reply With Quote

Old November 30th, 2012, 06:28 PM   #16 (permalink)
Poster Extraordinaire
 
brewwagon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: the delta bc
Posts: 6,997
today to start you along circle of fifths



the minor would be the sixth degree

cmajor a minor share no sharps or flats



This is the circle of fifths. It shows all 12 major keys and 12 minor keys possible in the Western system. The name "circle of fifths" comes from the fact that the tonic pitch of a key (which is the same as the name of the key) changes by a perfect 5th each time you add or remove an accidental: it goes up a 5th each time you add a sharp or remove a flat, and it goes down a fifth each time you add a flat or remove a sharp. That is, if we start at C, which has no sharps or flats, and go up a perfect 5th, we get G, and the key of G has one sharp. It should be noted that flats and sharps are always added in a specific order. Just as there are 12 discreet pitches in the Western system (and thus, in the chromatic scale), there are 12 major and 12 minor keys possible in the Western system. On this particular circle of fifths, the major keys are listed on the outer circle, and the minor keys are on the inner circle. It is important to note that when discussing keys, if major or minor is not stated explicitly, the major key is assumed. That is, when something is described simply as being in the key of C, that is understood to mean that it is in the key of C major.
notice how c minor has 3 flats

http://www.siennasguidetomusic.com/B...ents/keys.html
__________________
Music an art form whose medium is sound.
brewwagon is offline   Reply With Quote

Old November 30th, 2012, 06:46 PM   #17 (permalink)
Friend of Leo's
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Madison, WI
Age: 52
Posts: 2,304
I'm the other way around. Can't play for beans, either from tab, sheet music, lead sheets or by ear (on the guitar). But I have a solid grounding in theory, and I can write music well enough to get A's in my classes (and wrote somestuff that other people performed).

You are probably better than you think if you can sit down with a tab sheet and play it after running through it a couple times. I'd bet that if I sat you down with a chord progression and told you to play, you'd come up with something in the way of an arrangement, if only because you'd recognize the chord names from eyars of playing and know more than 1 way to play each. Soloing might be a bit harder, but if you thought about it, you could probably think of a lick or two that you remember goes with some chord or other and string them together at the right time.
raito is offline   Reply With Quote

Old November 30th, 2012, 07:05 PM   #18 (permalink)
Friend of Leo's
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Ormond Beach Fl.
Age: 61
Posts: 3,230
Hang in there doof. There are members in the theory and tab forum hear that cuold help you a lot .I think brewwagon is one of them.I've always resisted the theory part ,but this year I'll give it a real shot.I think I need some theory to progress to the next level.
LeftyAl is online now   Reply With Quote

Old November 30th, 2012, 07:06 PM   #19 (permalink)
Tele-Afflicted
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Melbourne - 32
Posts: 1,134
i have almost created my own theory.... grew up listening to sonic youth etc... learned a few of their songs... started writing myself and made up a lot of my own chords, playing them in strange places up and down the neck, often with open strings... i just learned what sounded good together.... in hindsight i could have saved a long time and just gone and got some lessons...
furtherpale is offline   Reply With Quote

Old December 2nd, 2012, 12:56 AM   #20 (permalink)
Poster Extraordinaire
 
Mjark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Annapolis, MD
Age: 63
Posts: 5,964
I guess tablature has it place but it seems a bad way to learn music. I began by watching, listening and being shown what to do.
Mjark is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Forum Jump


» Random Photo for Guests
65 Amps London 2x12 cab (AlNiCo Blue/G12)
Untitled Document



 


Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2



IMPORTANT:Treat everyone here with respect, no matter how difficult! No sex, drug, political, religion or hate discussion permitted here.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0 RC 2
© TDPRI.COM 1999 - 2014 All rights reserved.