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Old June 20th, 2009, 06:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
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"I Thank You" by Sam & Dave

Once again the "band" and I are trying to learn a song from sheet music that doesn't fit the performance. Sam & Dave clearly perform this song in Ebm, and our sheet music is in Am. Not only that, but it's missing the chords for one horn interlude.

Does anyone have accurate chords for this song?

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Old June 22nd, 2009, 05:21 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I may need to hear this old song on a decent sereo, but listening to it on youtube and remembering my younger days, I can't hear this song in a minor key. I hear them playing in Eb. They do use the flatted 7th, but that doesn't make the main chord a minor. In the bridge, they use Cm, which is the relative minor for the Eb, on the way to the AB. Everything else tells me it is in Eb(major)....AB and Bb and the IV and V chords.
I hear it in a major key. Maybe someone else will straighten me out if I am incorrect, but that is how I hear it. The very nature of the lyrics almost demands a major key...upbeat, happy, rejoicing....
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Old June 22nd, 2009, 05:55 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I hear them playing in Eb.
I'm confused about this, too. Cropper's rhythm lick hammers from the flatted to the natural third, which would certainly make the tune major. And yet playing Eb7 against the tonic chord somehow doesn't sound quite right to me either.

I'm driving my wife nuts, playing the MP3 over and over again. I need to have someone with radar ears give it a listen.

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Old June 22nd, 2009, 05:59 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I play bass on this in my band, but I always thought it was Eb major.

As for the horn break it goes Cm to C# (major).
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Old June 22nd, 2009, 06:53 PM   #6 (permalink)
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So am I imagining things, or is there a recurring keyboard figure during the "I thank you" refrain -- something like Ab7 - Gb7 - Eb7?

Also, in the second part of each verse -- "Then you took your love to someone else / I wouldn't know what it meant to be loved to death" -- are there quick jumps to Ab7 under "someone else" and "loved to death"?

Sorry for my bad ears, but you all are right. It's definitely Eb7 -- and the horn part is indeed Cm to C#.

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Old June 22nd, 2009, 08:02 PM   #7 (permalink)
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So am I imagining things, or is there a recurring keyboard figure during the "I thank you" refrain -- something like Ab7 - Gb7 - Eb7?
yep, I think it's Eb7 Gb7 Eb7 Ab7


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Also, in the second part of each verse -- "Then you took your love to someone else / I wouldn't know what it meant to be loved to death" -- are there quick jumps to Ab7 under "someone else" and "loved to death"?
Exactly

Also in the verse you can walk up to the Eb7 with a bass note run of Bb - Db - D - Eb7. Adds a lot.
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On the single, it's all about that Clavinet...
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Old June 22nd, 2009, 09:23 PM   #9 (permalink)
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An E flat tuning song?

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On the single, it's all about that Clavinet...
Yes it is. To my ears the clavinet is playing E flat dom 7, resorting to the plain minor and the 9th form for dressing.

I don't know if you'll agree with me, but I think Steve and Duck are actually *tuned* to E flat.

Duck's first note, a low E flat. He could be doing the octave 2nd string 2nd fret, but my money is on 3rd string 7th fret. It's not quite precise enough to be the 2nd string, I guess.

Steve's guitar part seems to be a roll from the middle 2, past the major 3 to the 5, and to my ears it sound like he's doing it at the 4th fret, 4th string (tuning) or could be done standard tuning from the middle F, 4th string 3rd fret.

There's some precedent for Steve and Duck tuning to E flat: the obvious open E flat bounces in Sam & Dave's "Wrap It Up," the key of "Soul Man," and possibly "Hold On, I'm Comin"" which is in A flat.

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Old June 23rd, 2009, 01:05 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Thanks, everyone!

All your posts were a big help.
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I only know the ZZ Top version, didn't realize it was a cover
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I always thought that Soul Man was in the key of G, and then modulates up to Ab at the end.
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Old June 26th, 2009, 11:07 AM   #13 (permalink)
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The clip Big Tony posted is in E. Most of the lines Cropper is playing are in E mixolydian the mode based on the key of A major. The Mixolydian mode is used for dominant 7th chords.
His lines are based on A major at the interval of a 6th, against the E7 chord.
If the tune is actually in Eb the lines are Ab based.
I like the steps the horns are doin' that takes it over the top. Showmanship.
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I love this song, just heard it again the other day on the radio. Any more info floating around out there about this one?
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Old August 15th, 2012, 04:51 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Try listening to the Bonnie Raitt version.
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I love this song, just heard it again the other day on the radio. Any more info floating around out there about this one?
The post above you tells you what you need to know musically. When you listen to the recording the song is in the key of E with the main chord an E7. It's possible the song was actually recorded a half step lower (Eb) to accommodate the horns and then sped up E when it was mastered. Who really knows but the Stax guys who recorded it.

It was actually written by Isaac Hayes and it's been recorded by a number of different artists including ZZ Top and Bonnie Raitt but the original hit is still that of Sam and Dave this thread talks about. Just one of a long list of hits those two greats cranked out with the backing of Booker T and the MG's as the studio band.
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The bass is where you get the cue for the major. A lot of stax stuff is bass driven(Duck rules)
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based on the simple melodic line of the song

sitting here singing skat
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" i , just want to stop


and thank you bay-bee"

"i. eye eye yea- i .. baby ....

don't want to sss- stop!"(screeching car brakes to a crash cymbal choked by hand!)


looking up to my laptop
"man you had to get going didn't you "


blues use the flatted sad notes by nature thats its sound

i go with the Eb

jimi tuned to that more manly sound to match his voice negro / cherokee
sam and dave also men of african /american heritage

the horn section really put this classic over the top
a great song to showcase your band in performance
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You'll have to take this in the context of someone who has been doing this for 25 years in various crappy bars up and down the East Coast AND went to music college and studied harmony formally- after all these years, I still find it magical the way some of those Stax records seem to exist in major and minor keys at the same time. What's the E chord in Dock Of The Bay? Chain Of Fools is kind of in C major, but thers's a baritone guitar playing low eb's all over the place. Across town at Hi Records, Al Green has a Dminor 9 on "Let's Stay Together" but the bass payer plays a run with F# that's sounds perfect. There's some special Memphis harmonic voodoo where they can play chords that have major and minor 3rds at the same time and make it sound righteous.
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I always thought that Soul Man was in the key of G, and then modulates up to Ab at the end.
The original is in G, the Blues Brothers version is dropped to E to make it easier to sing.
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