Got a favorite chord and voicing?

[Corey]

That's probably the funniest thing I've read in a long time.

Hey guys.... did ya know? Apparently it's not the 3rd and 7th that tells if a chord is minor/major/dominant anymore - Woah! What a revalation in music!

Wangdang, settle down. For clarity:

The relationship of the third to the root is what identifies the basic function of most common chords because it tells you whether the chord is fundamentally minor or major in nature. Don't take it from me, you can confirm that with any music teacher or experienced musician.

A root/seven dyad alone does not tell you if the chord is fundamentally major or minor, i.e. the seven in a min/maj 7 is major yet the third is minor, and the 7 in a dominant chord is minor yet the third is major.

[jazztele]

Now wangdangdoodle, we're not gonna do anything stupid, are we?

Nobody's gonna hurt anybody. We're gonna be like three little Fonzies here. And what's Fonzie like? Come on, Corey, what's Fonzie like?

What?

Correctamundo. And that's what we're gonna be. We're gonna be cool.

wangdangdoodle's refrerring to the third and seventh together. not a root seventh interval. you're both right, essentially. a third and seventh really denote quality, but we need a root to straighten that all out as to "who's who?" granted, the root need not be played by guitar.

[Corey]

Nobody's gonna hurt anybody. We're gonna be like three little Fonzies here. And what's Fonzie like? Come on, Corey, what's Fonzie like?

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!

A 3/7 diad doesn't tell you what the chord is, i.e. if you play a diad of E and B your ear tells you the chord is E/Em, not CMaj7.

[jbmando]

Yeah, but if you play a E-Bb, or Bb-E diad you can hear the C7. The six half steps, (augmented 4th or diminished 5th) between the notes makes your ear hear something different. When the diad is a perfect fifth, you tend to hear the lower note as the root.

[jbmando]

Oh, and wang, you don't need a 7th to have a dominant chord. There are plenty of I-IV-V songs without a 7th in the V chord, but it's still dominant. The root to 3rd tells you the color (major or minor) of the chord. Might be a revalation, or at least a revelation to you.

[Corey]

I understand the concept but that tritone for sure pulls my ear elsewhere before C7... For me the E/Bb Lydian sound is so strong that it pulls me first to all the related stuff. Could be a cultural difference but I definitely don't automatically assume C7 when I hear that tritone. (though I definitely hear it)

Or to put it another way, if were were jamming alone and you played that I'd probably start soloing in E lydian first. Oh vey's me.

[jbmando]

I hear ya. Maybe since I play so much bluegrass mandolin at jams where I'm maybe one of three mandolins, I get used to the 3rd/b7th double stop, I just tend to hear the C7 in that case. Instead of doubling the other guys' chopping, I'll tremolo the double stops for backup. It's neat when you show someone with less experience that double stop as the I7, then drop it a fret for the IV7, then bring it back up two frets from where you dropped it and it's the V7.

[wangdangdoodle]

Originally Posted by jbmando

Oh, and wang, you don't need a 7th to have a dominant chord. There are plenty of I-IV-V songs without a 7th in the V chord, but it's still dominant.

True, but I should have said I was refering to Jazz Harmony where you need a 7th.

Of course you'd never use these two string 3/7 voicings without a bassist, or unless you play the play root yourself.

[jbmando]

On the contrary, I play them by myself all the time without a root.

[tweedtone]

My favorite simple Am9, shake the neck for shimmer:

0-0-7-5-0-0

[Corey]

Yes, I use this variation all the time for All Along The Watchtower and Don't Fear The Reaper

0
0
5
7
0
x

[ch1naski]

Originally Posted by wangdangdoodle

That's probably the funniest thing I've read in a long time.

Hey guys.... did ya know? Apparently it's not the 3rd and 7th that tells if a chord is minor/major/dominant anymore - Woah! What a revalation in music!

You can play R/5 intervals/diads/doublestops as chords and use them in a progression that establishes the tonality (major, minor, etc.) of the key.

Listen to any Iron Maiden epic......

[Corey]

Listen to any Iron Maiden epic......

I'm super familiar with everything they did. Love them. Seen them live 5 times. Played all those tunes note-for-note as a kid. But chord fragments are not diads. And, other than an occasional nipple-raising Steve Harris solo, I've never ever heard of Iron Maiden collectively playing only two notes at a time -- let alone do so to establish their key. Which is, of course the topic at hand, diads. Not chord fragments.

If someone is playing the root and you play a 3/7 diad over it the sum is a chord. Without that root the key is not established by your diad, i.e. playing a E/B diad simply does not establish a tonality of C major. Play it. You'll see.

No offense but just grab your axe and try. If you can find a diad which doesn't contain the root yet firmly establishes the [uncontained] root's key please show me, I want to learn how to do that. As far as I know you can't.

[ch1naski]

Originally Posted by Corey

I'm super familiar with everything they did. Love them. Seen them live 5 times. Played all those tunes note-for-note as a kid. But chord fragments are not diads. And, other than an occasional nipple-raising Steve Harris solo, I've never ever heard of Iron Maiden collectively playing only two notes at a time -- let alone do so to establish their key. Which is, of course the topic at hand, diads. Not chord fragments.

They play power chords....root/5th. ~Technically, it's a diad.~ Or can a diad not contain the root?

If someone is playing the root and you play a 3/7 diad over it the sum is a chord. Without that root the key is not established by your diad, i.e. playing a E/B diad simply does not establish a tonality of C major. Play it. You'll see.

No offense but just grab your axe and try. If you can find a diad which doesn't contain the root yet firmly establishes the [uncontained] root's key please show me, I want to learn how to do that. As far as I know you can't.

True. I agree. But ~any~ two different notes played at the same time are diads, aren't they?

[Corey]

True. I agree. But ~any~ two different notes played at the same time are diads, aren't they?

Absolutely.

[klasaine]

See, now everybody's using 'DIAD'.

[Corey]

See, now everybody's using 'DIAD'.

Yeeehahh!

[JayFreddy]

----7--------5--------4-----------------
-9--------7--------3---------2----------
----7--------6--------4-----------------
-9--------7--------4---------2---------
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"All Your Base Are Belong To US..."

[klasaine]

This kind of twisted my head around when I first learned it ...

[boneyguy]

My Diad can beat up your Diad.