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Old September 16th, 2008, 09:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Need help naming a chord???

I was playing A major on the 5th fret like a Triade chord, here's the chord for those who don't know
E A D G B E
0 0 7 6 5 0

Anyway, when I remove my finger off the D string and play just the G and B it makes a great sound, Im using it in a song and can't figure out what o name it thanks for the help
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Old September 16th, 2008, 09:59 PM   #2 (permalink)
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"Fred".

Semi-seriously, the G string is C# and the B string is E. That's 3 Es, one A and one C#. A C# E is textbook A. Adding D, that gives you an Asus4. Asus4/E if you want to notate the root.
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Old September 16th, 2008, 10:15 PM   #3 (permalink)
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"Fred".

Semi-seriously, the G string is C# and the B string is E. That's 3 Es, one A and one C#. A C# E is textbook A. Adding D, that gives you an Asus4. Asus4/E if you want to notate the root.
OK Im following so If I want to drop the A and Just play C# and E what would you call the chord, it would still be suspended, because Im not adding the D though just playing C# and E
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The scale of A major is:

A B C# D E F# G# A

The A major triad is made up of the 1 3 and 5 i.e. A C# and E. If you repeat the notes in your voicing, it is still A major.

Asus is made up of the 1 4 and 5 i.e. A D and E.

And for your edification, Am is made up of the 1 b3 and 5 i.e. A C and E.
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Just C# and E is - take your pick - Part of an "A" chord still or part of a "C#m" chord. If you're using it in a progression (song) going from an "A" chord I would be inclined to call it C#m.

Two notes (different notes) is called a dyad (diad).
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Old September 16th, 2008, 11:12 PM   #6 (permalink)
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If you're just playing the C# and E, it depends on what you want it to be.

Again, semi-seriously, my understanding of jazz is that you can tell what note root is because that's the note they don't use. If you don't have the A, the C# and E can still feel like the third and fifth if, melodically around it, you play A-scale notes.

Or, C#minor is C# E G#. You have the root and third.

More likely, considering the huge amount of E you got, you'd think that to be an E. Reasonable choice. C# is the sixth of E, so that'd imply an E6.

A note: Two notes are an interval. It takes (at least) three notes to make a chord. But you don't have to play a chord to imply a chord.
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If you're just playing the C# and E, it depends on what you want it to be.

Again, semi-seriously, my understanding of jazz is that you can tell what note root is because that's the note they don't use. If you don't have the A, the C# and E can still feel like the third and fifth if, melodically around it, you play A-scale notes.

Or, C#minor is C# E G#. You have the root and third.

More likely, considering the huge amount of E you got, you'd think that to be an E. Reasonable choice. C# is the sixth of E, so that'd imply an E6.

A note: Two notes are an interval. It takes (at least) three notes to make a chord. But you don't have to play a chord to imply a chord.
Thanks for the help, it was a small chord progression I happened to stumble upon, the full progression with the E6 you named is as follows:
A, E6, C#m, Bm

The reason I didnt wanna call it a C#m is because it was a chord in the progression so I went with calling it a E6 chord thankyou so much for it, the progression sounds really good Ive been putting it towards a song but needed to find out the name so I could write the music for it
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Two notes (different notes) is called a dyad (diad).
I always just call two notes an interval. "Dyad" makes sense though... Then again, I suppose you really could call 'em Fred.
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Emmylou Harris says that if you add a fourth voice, it becomes a quadad.

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Anyway, when I remove my finger off the D string and play just the G and B it makes a great sound ...

I'm not sure I followed that. What notes did you end up with in this chord?
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Again, semi-seriously, my understanding of jazz is that you can tell what note root is because that's the note they don't use. .
actually, not that far off. rootless voicings, or at least, voicings without the root on the bottom in a jazz context sound great.
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I always just call two notes an interval. "Dyad" makes sense though... Then again, I suppose you really could call 'em Fred.
In the academic theory world, two notes that are paired together in some way, usually being played at the same time, are called a dyad. The distance between those two notes is called an interval. You have two choices for that, depending on which note is considered to be the lower note. For example, C going up by step to D is a major second. D going up to the nearest C is a minor seventh. C going up to an octave and a whole step to D is a major ninth. You can keep adding octaves in this way. All of these intervals are sometimes called "interval class 2," since they can be re-arranged to form the interval of 2 semitones, if octaves are disregarded. The interval classes are 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. All intervals can be reduced to these number of semitones between the notes of a dyad, if octaves are disregarded and you take the shortest distance between the two notes.

If you think of the major second, minor 7th, and major ninth as being similar in some way, that perception is represented by the concept of interval class. These are all interval class 2.

If you think of the minor second, major 7th, and minor ninth as being similar, then you are thinking of interval class 1.

Fourths, fifths, and elevenths are interval class 5. And so on.

Well, sorry for the long diversion. I am trying to avoid doing work on something that makes my brain hurt.
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