Cool 'Ipenema' sub changes

[klasaine]

I'd like to share something I learned from a piano player I worked with this weekend (a 24 year old 'monster' piano player):

Substitute changes for the 1st two bars of "Ipenema" ...

| Fmaj7 Bb13 | A-7 D9 | G7/6 etc ...


*If you want the theory behind it, it's a classic "back cycle" from the G7 with a b5 sub (the Bb13).
Simple but elegant.

[JayFreddy]

Don't have my Real Book handy, do you mean this part?

Fmaj7
Tall and tan and young and lovely, the girl
G7
from Ipanema goes walking, and when...

[jazztele]

ain't it cool what these piano players can show you?... on the guitar, i like a Bb7b5 instead of the 13.

[FirstBassman]

As complete asides –

1. For those that don’t know, there really was a specific girl (from Ipanema).
Her name is Heloísa Eneida Menezes Paes Pinto:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heloisa_Pinheiro


2. My last Au Pair was Brazilian. A friend of hers is a singer with an amazing Brazilian guitar player. I saw them perform and GfI sounds a hundred times better in Portuguese.

[klasaine]

Originally Posted by jazztele

ain't it cool what these piano players can show you?... on the guitar, i like a Bb7b5 instead of the 13.

The b5 will work great during solo sections, but it "rubs" a little against the melody (F and D at that point) - which is why I wrote Bb13.

Glad it inspired you to mess around with it. It certainly did me. Lol! - harmonically we're all 'pikers' compared to piano players.

[TeleHawg]

What voicing do you use for the Bb13?

Is A-7 an A minor 7?


Thanks for posting!

[koen]

What are the chords for the complete song?

[klasaine]

Originally Posted by TeleHawg

What voicing do you use for the Bb13?

Is A-7 an A minor 7?


Thanks for posting!

Yes A-7 is Am7.

Bb13 ...

---3---
---3---
---5---
---6---
---X---
---6---

(Barre strings 1 and 2 with the first joint of your first finger. Play the 5th fret note with your 2nd finger.)

*OR*

---6---
---8---
---7---
---6---
---X---
---6---

Think of it from the stock barre shape at the 6th fret.
That's really a Bb7/6 (a real 13th contains the 9th)

[klasaine]

Originally Posted by koen

What are the chords for the complete song?

http://www.theguitarguy.com/girlfrom.htm

The upper case 'M's are major 7th chords (lower case - minor). Sometimes that's confusing.
That's why the line, or minus sign, is excellent short hand for minor 7 chords.

[jazztele]

ken, how was this guy going about it?--i was using the Bb7b5 over the E in the melody--y'know, first bar...i put the E on top, so maybe it's voiced more like a 7#11 i guess, but i wasn't playing a low fifth....then i was just playing a Bb7 when the melody goes to D. there's no F in the melody to clash there...either that or i've been playing "girl" wrong for years!

anyway you slice it, thanks--this is a neat sub that i'll be sure to screw around with enough in different contexts until anybody i play with tells me "enough already!"

sorry for the late reply here too, i've been out of town.

[klasaine]

No, your right on Jazztele. My melodic mistake. I don't know where I thinking that F went(?) Here's an even more sublime set of Ipenema changes for the first 4 bars ...

| Dm9 | % | Bb13 | % | G7/6 | G-7 | Fmaj7 | F-7/Bb ||