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Old February 26th, 2006, 07:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Any opinions on the Eric Clapton stratocaster....

I've been watching the Cream live at Albert Hall concert from '05 and just loving it. It has me gasing real bad for the Clapton strat. Anyone have one and have any opinions on them?

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Old February 27th, 2006, 02:36 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Save yourself the $$$ and get a used Strat Plus. Signatures ain't worth the extra $$$ and you wouldn't notice the difference blindfolded. Basically the same guitar.
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Old February 27th, 2006, 06:30 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I'm like you - I'd love to get my hands on one to try it out, but none in my local shop.

As a guide though, they did have a Rory Gallagher model which I tried, and while its an awesome finish job, its not that outstanding in your hands.

Like sarge says, the signature models probably ain't worth the extra bucks.
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Old February 27th, 2006, 07:48 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I had one several years ago...

... and thought it was a very nice guitar. I didn't keep it however. I "discovered" the Jimmie Vaughan Strat a few years later and fell in love with it. The necks are pretty similar as I recall, but the EC Strat was noticeably heavier. I've never seen a Strat Plus, but I'd take Sarge's advice and check one out. All things being equal, save some money if you can. Good luck!
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Old February 27th, 2006, 08:28 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I hear the signature is difficult to remove.
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Old February 27th, 2006, 09:51 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I've played two in music stores--one right at the end of the Lace era, one last year with the Vintage Noiseless.

It felt decent enough and played well. Neither one completely thrilled me clean. I played the first one through a TRRI, and the mid-boost actually sounded great to me for a beefy, solo tone.

The second one I played initially through a DRRI, and that much of a dB increase hitting the front end of the DRRI did NOT work well. Horrible tone.

I then plugged that one into a TRRI and felt a lot better about the lead (mid-boosted) tone. I do think the VNs sounded better clean (no boost) than the Lace did, but as I said, neither thrilled me.
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Old February 28th, 2006, 12:40 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Strat Plus wrong

Try PowerHouse Stratocaster that has the Mid booster
http://www.fender.com/products/searc...tno=0139502359
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Old February 28th, 2006, 07:58 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I got to see one just before christmas, wasn't overly impressed, wouldn't pay the extra to have a signature. Imo, the American Deluxe series is a nicer guitar for the money.
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Old February 28th, 2006, 08:19 AM   #9 (permalink)
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...or get a used MIJ version...sans the signature.
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Old February 28th, 2006, 12:18 PM   #10 (permalink)
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...or get a used MIJ version...sans the signature.
I didn't know there was a japan version? does it also have the midrange boost?
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Old March 4th, 2006, 08:18 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Save yourself the $$$ and get a used Strat Plus. Signatures ain't worth the extra $$$ and you wouldn't notice the difference blindfolded. Basically the same guitar.
the strat plus is a GREAT guitar, but it does not have the 25 db mid boost that the clapton model has.

the strat powerhouse with a 12 db boost more accurately mirrors the Clapton sig sound, although the neck is slightly different.

the plus have dbx tone control, but the change is passive and the clapton boost is powered by a 9v battery, as is the powerhouse
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Old March 5th, 2006, 06:18 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Plus you can change the other tone knob to the TBX which is what Clapton guitar has on it as well.
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Old March 5th, 2006, 10:33 PM   #13 (permalink)
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yes it does but it does not have the signature on the headstock. Saw 3 yesterday...a red, a white and one that looked dark blue...but they were new ones...used is a much better bargain.
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Old March 6th, 2006, 12:25 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Yep I agree the news will set you back about $1400.00 I would try hunting down a used one you might get $700 to possible $900 in that ballpark.
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Old March 6th, 2006, 11:45 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Re: Any opinions on the Eric Clapton stratocaster....

I picked up a used one a few years ago for $850. 3 gold Lace Sensors. I really liked the guitar. It took me a while to get used to the beefier vintage style neck, but now I prefer it and ordered the V-neck as an option on my current Deluxe Strat. The gold lace sensors may not be as crisp as a standard Strat pu but I thought they sounded great, quiet with plenty of punch. As for the mid-range boost, file that one under "what were they thinkin' ?". It sounds about like a bad digital overdrive at best (IMHO).

Long story short, I sold it to a buddy of mine 2 years ago and have been trying to buy it back from him since then. Should have never sold it!
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Old March 6th, 2006, 05:11 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Well the reason Fender went with that is because he wanted to get a cross between Fender and gibson cause when claptons playing his stratocaster he wishes he had a Les Paul and vice versa. So Fender put on their mid booster sound.
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Old March 6th, 2006, 05:34 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Well the reason Fender went with that is because he wanted to get a cross between Fender and gibson cause when claptons playing his stratocaster he wishes he had a Les Paul and vice versa. So Fender put on their mid booster sound.
I've got a 73' Les Paul Standard. Lets just say that the sound of the Clapton Strat with the mid-boost on and the sound of my Les Paul are not similar. On the up side, the gold lace sensors had plenty of punch to drive the Marshall (unlike my current Deluxe Strat).
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Old March 7th, 2006, 01:57 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Actually the One Strat I wish Clapton did come out with in his custom shop series guitar is 3 tone stratocaster in honor of Brownie that he used on Layla.
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Old March 7th, 2006, 02:25 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Save yourself the $$$ and get a used Strat Plus. Signatures ain't worth the extra $$$ and you wouldn't notice the difference blindfolded. Basically the same guitar.
No it isn't.

The strat plus hasn't got the active mid boost that the Clapton has and it also doesn't have the V shaped neck that the Clapton has.
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Old March 8th, 2006, 12:38 AM   #20 (permalink)
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A Strat is a Strat is...

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Save yourself the $$$ and get a used Strat Plus. Signatures ain't worth the extra $$$ and you wouldn't notice the difference blindfolded. Basically the same guitar.
no matter what Strat model it is!
I agree with most of the above statements. IMHO, "Signatures" ARE worth it to fans/collectors. Having stated that, one can approximate the Clapton Strat with the help of humbucking Strat pickups, a mid booster, and a TBX tone circuit at a lower cost than an "EC" Strat. Less we forget that Clapton can play any Strat/Les Paul/ES-335 and still have it sound like him.
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Old March 8th, 2006, 12:56 AM   #21 (permalink)
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This is story as Lee Dickson EC guitar once said interview about how clapton get his tone. "It's in the Trousers"
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Old March 10th, 2006, 08:21 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Plus you can change the other tone knob to the TBX which is what Clapton guitar has on it as well.
Clapton himself has the TBX removed though.

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Old April 10th, 2006, 07:28 PM   #23 (permalink)
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don't know why they named it that.

i tried one, and it sounded just like me.

anyone wanna buy a charlie bernstein strat?...
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Old April 10th, 2006, 11:49 PM   #24 (permalink)
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What come with a Charlie Bernstien Strat?
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Old September 5th, 2009, 02:40 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Or you can buy mine. OH, 03/2003? I guess you figured something out by now.
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Old September 5th, 2009, 03:38 PM   #26 (permalink)
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cream albert hall

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Old September 6th, 2009, 01:22 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Well, sorry to burst a few bubbles here but I've got one of the Custom Shop Clapton's with Vintage Noiseless pups and IMO it's the most versatile strat that you can buy.

The neck plays like butter, it was set up extremely well straight from the shop and all I've ever needed to do was raise the action slightly so that I could play slide on it.

The TBX and mid boost mean that if you wanted to you need only have one guitar and amp and no pedals and you could play all night and have a variety of tones all at your fingertips.

One of the best ever strats as far as I'm concerned.......
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Old September 6th, 2009, 08:26 AM   #28 (permalink)
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I've had one for 12 years or so. A great guitar - very versatile - great neck.
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Old September 6th, 2009, 11:47 AM   #29 (permalink)
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I borrowed a Clapton Strat once from a friend who has a Fender dealership.I had lusted after one for months, got it home and was let down. It's a good guitar, just not for me.
I hated the TBX after a day or two, took it back and bought a Jimmie Vaughan.
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Old September 8th, 2009, 12:29 AM   #30 (permalink)
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I've tried to approximate the Clapton strat by adding the midboost circuitry and TBX to my Fender MIJ '54 style strat and going with Kinman Trad Mk2 pickups. The main difference is my strat body is basswood, which I assume is much lighter than a custom shop Clapton model and the fretboard has 21 frets.

I've now spent approx. US$720 on this (including the luthier's charge to rout the body for the circuitry and battery) and I realize I could have saved a bit by going with Fender or Lace pickups, but I went with what was available used locally at that time.

If I were U.S. based, I would probably have been better off waiting for a used CS.

Plugged into my Classic 30 and Epi Valve Jr amps, the midboost circuitry seems to darken the tone quite a bit. Though I've not had the chance to plug into my SFPR which needs repair, or other Fender-y sounding amps.

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...IMHO, "Signatures" ARE worth it to fans/collectors. Having stated that, one can approximate the Clapton Strat with the help of humbucking Strat pickups, a mid booster, and a TBX tone circuit at a lower cost than an "EC" Strat. ...
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Old September 8th, 2009, 12:41 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Was Clapton playing a Cornell amp? I just got one and the sustain is the best I've heard.
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He played Cornell 80W Twins for a few years and then moved to the Fender 57 Twins when they came out. The Cream Reunion gig was definitely the Fenders.

In the Hyde Park dvd from 1996 he plays through a Tweed amp but I don't know whether it's a Cornell or Fender. This was around the time when I recall reading an interview with him in Guitar Player mag (I think) and there's a side story about Fender making him a couple of Twins using old pine boards from a church or some other old building that was going to be demolished. He gave one of these to BB King and kept the other one cos he believed it sounded exactly the same as some old Twin that he owned and which was the basis for the clone.

Strangely, the only dvd where Clapton is definitely using a Cornell amp is the John Mayall 70th birthday gig and his tone is almost unanimously regarded as the worst it's ever been!! But I think that's down to the recording rather than the amp.
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I am putting my '89 Torino Red up. I need to help out my stepson. I have not come up with an appropriate $ yet. There are not any I can find with the Lace Sensors. It is a very nice guitar in my opinion. It was my go to for years. Some how the Tele stole my heart, suprised me at the time.
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Old September 15th, 2009, 11:56 AM   #34 (permalink)
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great electronics

1) You can have your strat " claptonized " as I call it ( trademarked ) Just get the circuitry. You need noiseless pickups. ( Lace or similar low noise ). You can't just add this to non-noise reducing pickups.

The biggest feature that makes The Clapton a Clapton is the electronics.

2) I did this to my custom shop strat and immediately had my backup strat done. I doubt I would ever want to play a standard strat now.

3) The mid boost is great for sustaining notes. ( Hit a note and as it rings, turn the boost up to lengthen the time of sustain ). It does cut the highs as it boosts the mids. I use this more for special techniques as deccribed, than to fatten the tone like a tone control. This boost does make this strat the "most versatile strat" as stated by someone else.

4) The 9 volt battery seems to last forever. ( I thought this would be a problem.) I was a purist and said I would NEVER play a guitar with a battery. This modification changed my thinking.

5) There are two vesrions of this offered by Fender.....The Signature
( expensive...2K ) and the Custom Shop version ( ultra expensive 5K ).

I highly recommend this mod......or just go buy the Clapton model. If you buy a Clapton, look for a used one. You'll save some money.
I love this modification.
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Old September 15th, 2009, 12:14 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Old September 15th, 2009, 06:12 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Mike Keneally plays one with EMG SA's and a 2Tech bridge



Although it's Clapton who should be playin a Keneally signature. Would make more sense to me
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Cool pic. EMG SA pwnz Lace Sensor in my opinion.
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I owned a beautiful red Clapton Strat and returned it within a week.
Couldn't get used to the thin and low frets (been spoiled by more modern medium jumbos).
That mid boost or whatever it is supposed to be/do just sucked. I don't need mid boost to sound good on my Strat (now a Classic Player 60's).

I can get a huge Clapton sound with my Classic Player 60's Strat>ZVex Box of Rock>Bassman Amp.
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I have 2 CLapton strats, the first was a 2001 Pewter with the Noiseless PU's and the
2nd is 94 Blackie with gold lace sensors. I really like the Blackie the best, better feel and better tone. You really get the woman tone in the neck position. The 94 is fairly heavy, close to 8 lbs while the 2001 is closer to 7 lbs.
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Got one...

but I swapped out the stock Lace Golds for a set of Hot Golds and they really made the guitar come alive.
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