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starscream · January 27th, 2013, 11:38 PM

Looks like mahogany body wood to me instead of ash, the neck plate and pots code out to a 1960, says it was white and owned by hank williams jr, but he decided to sand it all off and refinish it, sanding off the headstock decal in the process (convenient huh). I am awaiting pics of the neck pocket and neck markings. Here are the pics I have.

telequacktastic · January 27th, 2013, 11:44 PM

Wrong tremolo bar and pickguard. I wonder what the dates on the neck and body say.

20721 · January 27th, 2013, 11:47 PM

Kind of an academic question after someone's taken a belt sander to all the finish. Oh well.

Like the red painted block and springs - wonder if that adds tone?

flyingbanana · January 28th, 2013, 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krapco

Kind of an academic question after someone's taken a belt sander to all the finish. Oh well.

Like the red painted block and springs - wonder if that adds tone?

No extra tone...but I think it locks the tone already there inside. So it can't get away...

starscream · January 28th, 2013, 01:01 AM

After more research, even the caps look period correct, as do the tuners, but I don't know, I don't think this is, if it turns out to be, I will buy it and end up getting it properly restored to period correct specs.

SamClemons · January 28th, 2013, 01:03 AM

Body could be Alder which is correct. Does not look like Mahogany. Pictures are not good enough to tell. I think it could be legit. It has a lot of value just in parts.

Can you see any trace of the original paint?

harold h · January 28th, 2013, 01:23 AM

Hank got all rowdy with his friends and painted it red.

thumbpick · January 28th, 2013, 02:12 AM

looks possible..pull neck off

starscream · January 28th, 2013, 02:48 AM

What would be a good price to get it for in this condition if it's legit?

E5RSY · January 28th, 2013, 10:27 AM

There is a '63 mahogany Strat on page 142 of "The Stratocaster Chronicles". They do exist, and they are very rare.

SamClemons · January 28th, 2013, 10:35 AM

As it sits, I think it looks pretty cool in the pictures.

Jakedog · January 28th, 2013, 11:10 AM

As was mentioned, bar and pickguard are wrong. The rest of it is looking pretty good from where I'm sitting.

I agree, the body is definitely NOT mahogany, although mahogany 60's strats (and teles) do exist... Looks like alder to me too.

Could be the real deal. I doubt the Hank connection, unless there is a family connection. Buying, selling, and brokering vintage back in the 90's, every guitar you came across had a story about belonging to somebody famous, especially the ones that were really messed up.

I can't prove it's a real one just from these pics. But from these pics, it certainly can't be disproved from what I can see.

Reminds of a '58 I once bought that somebody had totally sanded off and brush painted with white house paint. Yep, even the fretboard. That one restored OK for it's new owner, so I'm thinking this one definitely could be made "right" again.

Jakedog · January 28th, 2013, 11:15 AM

The red block and springs may be an indication of a previous theft, or of stupidity. I've seen stuff like this before. If the guitar was sprayed red at some point, without the removal of these components, that's how they'd look.

We used to do that when I was a kid. Hang a guitar up, mask off the neck, pickguard, controls, and bridge, and spray it whatever color you wanted. We never would have bothered to cover up the spring cavity.

Lots of stolen guitar go this treatment too...

TeleTim911 · January 28th, 2013, 11:45 AM

I'd love to know the outcome of this one, interesting.

starscream · January 28th, 2013, 03:34 PM

I made an offer contingent upon findings on the neck and neck pocket.

If there is nothing on the neck or in the neck pocket, I won't be getting it. If there is the things I want to see, I will be getting it and having it restored by an expert in fender restorations. Likely will have it relic'd as well because the fretboard is in such bad shape I'm not sure I want to risk getting it re-radiused and fretted.

fezz parka · January 28th, 2013, 03:42 PM

I dunno, there's an awful lot of groovy there. I'd wanna see the forearm and belly contours.

blowtorch · January 28th, 2013, 04:14 PM

with a strat like that, why is she your ex?

starscream · January 28th, 2013, 04:20 PM

It belongs to someone she is related to, and the reason why she is an ex is the reason why all the others are ex's, we just weren't compatible.

blowtorch · January 28th, 2013, 04:23 PM

ahhh it's not her guitar, got it.

E5RSY · January 28th, 2013, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fezz parka

I dunno, there's an awful lot of groovy there. I'd wanna see the forearm and belly contours.

I agree. I could be totally off the mark, but I feel good about this one.

January 27th, 2013, 11:38 PM	#1 (permalink)
starscream TDPRI Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 40	Ex gf tells me she has a 1960 strat, I think it isn't, experts advise Looks like mahogany body wood to me instead of ash, the neck plate and pots code out to a 1960, says it was white and owned by hank williams jr, but he decided to sand it all off and refinish it, sanding off the headstock decal in the process (convenient huh). I am awaiting pics of the neck pocket and neck markings. Here are the pics I have.

January 28th, 2013, 10:27 AM	#10 (permalink)
E5RSY Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Georgetown, TX Age: 46 Posts: 3,542	There is a '63 mahogany Strat on page 142 of "The Stratocaster Chronicles". They do exist, and they are very rare. __________________ "Out here in the middle, where the buffalo roam, they're puttin' up towers for your cell phone..." --James McMurtry, via Robert Earl Keen

January 28th, 2013, 11:10 AM	#12 (permalink)
Jakedog Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Cleveland,OH But my heart's still in TX Posts: 9,632	As was mentioned, bar and pickguard are wrong. The rest of it is looking pretty good from where I'm sitting. I agree, the body is definitely NOT mahogany, although mahogany 60's strats (and teles) do exist... Looks like alder to me too. Could be the real deal. I doubt the Hank connection, unless there is a family connection. Buying, selling, and brokering vintage back in the 90's, every guitar you came across had a story about belonging to somebody famous, especially the ones that were really messed up. I can't prove it's a real one just from these pics. But from these pics, it certainly can't be disproved from what I can see. Reminds of a '58 I once bought that somebody had totally sanded off and brush painted with white house paint. Yep, even the fretboard. That one restored OK for it's new owner, so I'm thinking this one definitely could be made "right" again. __________________ It's not a mini-van, it's a manly van, and it's awesome.

January 28th, 2013, 11:15 AM	#13 (permalink)
Jakedog Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Cleveland,OH But my heart's still in TX Posts: 9,632	The red block and springs may be an indication of a previous theft, or of stupidity. I've seen stuff like this before. If the guitar was sprayed red at some point, without the removal of these components, that's how they'd look. We used to do that when I was a kid. Hang a guitar up, mask off the neck, pickguard, controls, and bridge, and spray it whatever color you wanted. We never would have bothered to cover up the spring cavity. Lots of stolen guitar go this treatment too... __________________ It's not a mini-van, it's a manly van, and it's awesome.

January 28th, 2013, 11:45 AM	#14 (permalink)
TeleTim911 Friend of Leo's Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Calera, Alabama Age: 60 Posts: 3,986	I'd love to know the outcome of this one, interesting. __________________ "Just once I'd like to hear you scream in pain" "Play some RAP music"

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January 27th, 2013, 11:44 PM	#2 (permalink)
telequacktastic Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Fort Worth Age: 33 Posts: 1,561	Wrong tremolo bar and pickguard. I wonder what the dates on the neck and body say.

January 27th, 2013, 11:47 PM	#3 (permalink)
20721 Tele-Meister Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: San Diego Age: 44 Posts: 447	Kind of an academic question after someone's taken a belt sander to all the finish. Oh well. Like the red painted block and springs - wonder if that adds tone?

January 28th, 2013, 01:01 AM	#5 (permalink)
starscream TDPRI Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 40	After more research, even the caps look period correct, as do the tuners, but I don't know, I don't think this is, if it turns out to be, I will buy it and end up getting it properly restored to period correct specs.

January 28th, 2013, 01:03 AM	#6 (permalink)
SamClemons Friend of Leo's Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Jasper, TN Posts: 2,869	Body could be Alder which is correct. Does not look like Mahogany. Pictures are not good enough to tell. I think it could be legit. It has a lot of value just in parts. Can you see any trace of the original paint?

January 28th, 2013, 01:23 AM	#7 (permalink)
harold h Tele-Holic Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 776	Hank got all rowdy with his friends and painted it red.

January 28th, 2013, 02:12 AM	#8 (permalink)
thumbpick Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: somewhereville Age: 43 Posts: 1,337	looks possible..pull neck off

January 28th, 2013, 02:48 AM	#9 (permalink)
starscream TDPRI Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 40	What would be a good price to get it for in this condition if it's legit?

January 28th, 2013, 10:35 AM	#11 (permalink)
SamClemons Friend of Leo's Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Jasper, TN Posts: 2,869	As it sits, I think it looks pretty cool in the pictures.

January 28th, 2013, 03:34 PM	#15 (permalink)
starscream TDPRI Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 40	I made an offer contingent upon findings on the neck and neck pocket. If there is nothing on the neck or in the neck pocket, I won't be getting it. If there is the things I want to see, I will be getting it and having it restored by an expert in fender restorations. Likely will have it relic'd as well because the fretboard is in such bad shape I'm not sure I want to risk getting it re-radiused and fretted.

January 28th, 2013, 03:42 PM	#16 (permalink)
fezz parka Doctor of Teleocity Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In a movie... Posts: 12,466	I dunno, there's an awful lot of groovy there. I'd wanna see the forearm and belly contours.

January 28th, 2013, 04:14 PM	#17 (permalink)
blowtorch Friend of Leo's Join Date: May 2003 Location: Wisco Posts: 4,430	with a strat like that, why is she your ex?

January 28th, 2013, 04:20 PM	#18 (permalink)
starscream TDPRI Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 40	It belongs to someone she is related to, and the reason why she is an ex is the reason why all the others are ex's, we just weren't compatible.

January 28th, 2013, 04:23 PM	#19 (permalink)
blowtorch Friend of Leo's Join Date: May 2003 Location: Wisco Posts: 4,430	ahhh it's not her guitar, got it.

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