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Old August 3rd, 2005, 03:45 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Proof that Leo Fender stole strat headstock design

I knew it! And it even has a 'whammy bar'. Very advanced instrument for "1940".

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=7341034821

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Old August 3rd, 2005, 05:48 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Old August 3rd, 2005, 06:10 AM   #3 (permalink)
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uh, jes' m.h.o. here, 'k ?

There was boatloads of 'em sold through Sears and/or Monkey Ward's in the mid/late '60's or early '70's....
the trem and headstock looks very much like some of the late '60's Hagstroms.....

while it may be 40 years old, it's NOT from the '40's..... ;-) 'course, i could be mistaken....it might be from the '10's or '20's too ! ;-)
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Old August 3rd, 2005, 07:54 AM   #4 (permalink)
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wow, they where about 25 years ahead of their time

i quess all historybooks are wrong after all
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Old August 3rd, 2005, 10:35 AM   #5 (permalink)
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1940s Crestwood?

It looks like a Japanese guitar of the 1960s... Teisco style... my first two were branded Ventura. The second one had a vibrato that looked a lot like this one.
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Old August 3rd, 2005, 10:52 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I didn't know they made jazzmaster/jaguar vibratos with a "surf" string mute in the 1940s.

Besides, everyone knows where the Fender-style peghead was (or may have been) derived from:

"According to writer Tony Bacon, in The Fender Book, "It's difficult to judge whether the design of Fender's first solidbody electric guitar was influenced very much by Bigsby's earlier instrument. George Fullerton says that he and Leo knew Paul Bigsby and had seen Merle Travis playing a Bigsby guitar. Dale Hyatt, however, is less sure: 'I can't really say there was any truth that Leo copied Paul Bigsby, they just both made something at the same time.'" [The Fender Book by Tony Bacon and Paul Day, page 15, continued on page 18].

It's also interesting to note that in the late 40s Bigsby's shop was in Downey, California, only fifteen miles away from Fender."


Five headstocks side-by-side:




A = 1947 Bigsby Merle Travis
B = 1949 Fender "Snakehead" Esquire Prototype
C = 1950 Fender Esquire
D = 1954 Fender Stratocaster
E = 1966 Fender Stratocaster
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Old August 3rd, 2005, 12:21 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Cool graphic, Al! Leaves one with the impression Fender was evolving back to the past (Bigsby)!!
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Old August 3rd, 2005, 06:20 PM   #8 (permalink)
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The seller has now changed from 1940 to 1957.
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Old August 3rd, 2005, 06:40 PM   #9 (permalink)
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The seller has now changed from 1940 to 1957.
lol he must of gotten the dates mixed up by accident...happens on ebay all the time

I guess some people will believe anything...glad this wasn't a law suit case.
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Old August 4th, 2005, 01:21 AM   #10 (permalink)
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While Bigsby's headstock probably came first, the actual design is loosely based on a violin/cello/double bass headstock (side/profile view).

So I guess they were both copying whoever invented them old violins all them years ago :)
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Leo stated his inspiration was the headstock of a very old Croatian instrument....
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