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Old December 13th, 2007, 02:35 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Reverb pedals: Your opinions please

I'm sure its been asked here before, but I would like a fresh perspective on your opinions of reverb pedals.

I have a single channel amp, no reverb. I'm not going to invest in dropping a reverb tank into my amp, so the next logical choice would be a reverb pedal.

Now I have heard that the "pedals" work fine for clean, but any overdrive or distortion, well the reverb pedals just dont cut it like a reverb tank.

So, is the above statement true (reverb pedals dont work well with OD/Distortion), or is that incorrect?

Next question is, I have heard two pedals mentioned several times: The Holy Grail and the Marshall Reflector. Any opinions as to these two pedals, or, any recommendations for another reverb pedal?

Just so you can picture my set-up: I run a single channel amp. 6L6 Power tube, Bassman type circuit with a master volume, that has been modded into plexi territory. I run it clean, maximizing as much headroom as possible, and over drive it with a TS808 Tube Screamer. Its all pumped through a Celestion Vintage 30.

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Old December 13th, 2007, 03:54 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Boss

Boss made (and still makes) reverb pedals that could handle OD in front of them. I'm sure other companies do too. I had an RV-2 that sounded pretty good clean and with a tube screamer. Lots of other pedals around, including the Grail and such, which try to give you the sound of springs. Some guys like the reverb sound of the Boss Deluxe Reverb pedal. But if you want real spring reverb you gotta use something with springs. The Fender stand-alone tube reverb sounds fantastic with any kind of compression, OD or distortion in front of it and I can't think of anything that would sound better with your set-up. The Premier stand-alone tube reverb is less pricey I think, but sounds less Fender-y.
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Old December 13th, 2007, 06:06 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I looked around for The Premier stand-alone tube reverb, but I was unsuccessful in finding it. Can you point me to a company or link?
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Old December 13th, 2007, 08:03 PM   #4 (permalink)
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the holy grail does sound good, but only times i've heard one being used, it was to smoother the sound in reverb. if that's the sound you're after then highly recommended.

i did like the line6 one, but i can't bring myself to buy one because of problems i've had with line6 in the past, but worth a try at least if you have the chance.



but like bluesbob has said, if you want spring reverb, get some real springs, don't think i've ever touched the spring modes on any pedal reverb 'cos they always seem a bit tacky, but other modes are fun.
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Old December 14th, 2007, 12:51 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Great Timing

Funny this thread came up.
Naturally, different folks use reverb differently. I was going to sing the usual Holy Grail praises, but I found myself in a local used gear store, and came across this gem. Real spring reverb in a can! Sounds excellent! The sticker inside, if I'm reading it right, says this unit was made about 7 years ago, but the folks still seem to be in business. Their website is at www.songworks.com.
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Reverb pedal vs Actual Tube Reverb

Reverb pedal, never seen one. Don't know much about stand alone reverb units but here's some links.

ValveTrain Reverb Unit. All-Tube Reverb Unit.
www.valvetrainamps.com/bpverb.htm


A picture of Brad Paisley's Valve Train Reverb:
http://www.bradpaisley.com/site.php?...-1_12_2005_0_0
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Reverb pedal, never seen one. Don't know much about stand alone reverb units but here's some links.

ValveTrain Reverb Unit. All-Tube Reverb Unit.
www.valvetrainamps.com/bpverb.htm


A picture of Brad Paisley's Valve Train Reverb:
http://www.bradpaisley.com/site.php?...-1_12_2005_0_0
Looks like a killer unit. And authentic tube driven reverb is THE verb. But 650 US clams is alot to spend on an effect that can be nearly captured with a pedal at 1/7th the price IMHO. But then, I don't make my $ with my gear either.
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Funny this thread came up.
Naturally, different folks use reverb differently. I was going to sing the usual Holy Grail praises, but I found myself in a local used gear store, and came across this gem. Real spring reverb in a can! Sounds excellent! The sticker inside, if I'm reading it right, says this unit was made about 7 years ago, but the folks still seem to be in business. Their website is at www.songworks.com.
I use to own a Little Lanilei and it's a great natural sounding reverb. Very subtle and warm.
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Old December 14th, 2007, 07:00 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I ordered a Holy Grail - good tone, bad hum.
Exchanged it for another one: again good tone, bad hum (and I used the original power adapter, etc.).

After that I ordered a Line6 Verbzilla. Absolutely no hum, sounds great with my 5f1 and Musicmaster.

I didn't look into the more expensive analog reverb pedal options, because of the higher prices.

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Old December 14th, 2007, 08:41 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I'll second the Line 6 Verbzilla. Got one to replace a Holy Grail, which was an ok pedal for light verb. The Verbzilla has some stunning reverbs and can actually do a convincing surf sound. I'm using it with an 18-watt clone, and it sounds great with OD on either side...amp OD or from a pedal.

I love those spring reverb units, and I don't use the Verbzilla for recording, but for live it's the ticket.
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Old December 14th, 2007, 10:32 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I would love to try one of these:


Though I have a RV-3, I don't quite like reverb pedals. I just use it live with my electro-acustic guitar. It has too many knobs and options!
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Old December 14th, 2007, 04:10 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Great suggestions/opinions guys!

I'm gonna look into the verbzilla, and the danelectro, and a couple others as well.

I dont want tons of reverb. I just want to make my tone a little "damp", kinda to smooth the outer edges...........
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Old December 15th, 2007, 07:08 PM   #13 (permalink)
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The Reflector sounds like a spring reverb. It has two spring settings. When I step on my Bad Monkey OD, the reverb seems to have a deeper swell. I get more reverb with the OD pedal. It's not perfect but I like the Reflector very much despite the verb volume jump when the OD is on.

The Boss RV-3 sounds like a rack mount vocal reverb; I hated my old Rv-3 with guitar. The tin box with sheet metal screws that EH uses on the Holy Grail has always spooked me. I will buy a Holy Grail the day that they put them in a real project box.
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Old December 15th, 2007, 07:32 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Had a Holy grail which didn't sound good to me. It died after a month, without having been moved an inch. I replaced it with a Maxon 900, which is an analog delay. This is more to my liking.
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Old December 15th, 2007, 09:24 PM   #15 (permalink)
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They just came out with the Holy Grail Plus thats in a stronger box sorta like a MXR box just a little bigger . Its also been improved with a room setting.
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Old December 16th, 2007, 12:11 AM   #16 (permalink)
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has anyone had a chance to try the Tech 21 RVB boost? I am curious about that one. Reverb and boost in one
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I have played thru the Little Laniley a couple of times. Was not impressed. It was very subtle - you had to crank it to make it sound like a Fender reverb on 2-3. The sound was nice, but I thought it was a 0.5 trick pony...

Of the reverb pedals I've tried, the Line6 Verbzilla was the king. Marshall's Reflector was also very, very good.

What a "good reverb" sound is, seems to be very individual; different people hearing different things... Be sure to listen before you buy!

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Old December 16th, 2007, 08:30 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Tech 21?

Check this one out, I always found their stuff to be pretty good. I have a Fender 63 reissue tank from the late 90's but would be nice just to have a good pedal for portability. Haven't tried it yet

http://www.tech21nyc.com/boostrvb.html
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Old December 16th, 2007, 07:42 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Wow...I guess I got a "good" Holy grail pedal. Too bad it seems lots of people aren't happy with them. Mine's about 3 years old, and maybe they changed them. I was going to recommend one. Mine's noiseless, and on the spring setting it gives my old traynor head 95% identical reverb as my super reverb has. The hall setting is really sweet too.
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Old December 16th, 2007, 07:54 PM   #20 (permalink)
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It isn't a pedal, per se, but I kinda like the Alesis Nanoverb:



No, it doesn't sound like a vintage Fender tank, but it's not a bad digital reverb unit!

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Old November 13th, 2009, 03:16 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Hermida Reverb pedal...Best one out there imho.
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Old November 15th, 2009, 04:34 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I've been using a Holy Grail every day for five or six years. It is perfectly quiet. The reverb is as good as the reverb tank in my Fender DRRI. I use it at a fairly subtle setting but like all Electro-Harmonix pedals you can go crazy with it if you want. There are three types of reverb: spring, hall and flerb. I generally use spring but the hall is good too. Flerb is not for me but you can get some wild sounds out of it and I don't mind knowing it's there if I ever need it.
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Now I have heard that the "pedals" work fine for clean, but any overdrive or distortion, well the reverb pedals just dont cut it like a reverb tank.

So, is the above statement true (reverb pedals dont work well with OD/Distortion), or is that incorrect?
I use it mostly with a '59 Gibson GA-18T Explorer, a tweed amp that gets dirty at half volume. The Holy Grail works equally well with clean and dirty in my experience.

Bottom line: it's an excellent believable reverb for a decent price.
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Same for me.The Holy Grail is my number one reverb pedal soo far.Never got no problems with it - clean or overdriven.I use it in the effect loop of my Crate V32 Palomino.Very quiet.

Boss TU-2,Dumble in a Box Clone,Fulltone Fat Boost 2(thes peadls goes into the amps input),Zcat Tremolo,Holy Grail,Marshall echohead(in the effect loop).
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Same for me.The Holy Grail is my number one reverb pedal soo far.Never got no problems with it - clean or overdriven.I use it in the effect loop of my Crate V32 Palomino.Very quiet.

Boss TU-2,Dumble in a Box Clone,Fulltone Fat Boost 2( into the amps input),Zcat Tremolo,Holy Grail,Marshall echohead(in the effect loop).
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Old November 15th, 2009, 07:59 AM   #25 (permalink)
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The Hardwire RV-07 has had very, very good reviews.

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/p...dal?sku=500142

When I tried the Holy Grail for the 1st time, I thought it was awfully noisy and passed my way. Someone convinced me to try the Nano Holy Grail in another music shop and I ended up buying it. Not noisy and sounds really good!

There is another one too that is supposed to be very good. The Malekko Spring Chicken. http://www.malekkoheavyindustry.com/...spring-chicken

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I've got the Holy Grail Plus. As others have said, it is noisey (which is really annoying as I bought it to use with my Sheldon Amp, which makes no unwanted noise).

It does have a nice sound and is useable, but I think I will replace it someday.
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I dumped my Holy Grail because of the constant hum and bought a Hermida Reverb pedal. It has a great spring reverb sound with no hum. It's a one trick pony and only does spring reverb. I'm running it with my Modified Pro Junior and a Musicmaster Bass amp.
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I'll second the Line 6 Verbzilla. Got one to replace a Holy Grail, which was an ok pedal for light verb. The Verbzilla has some stunning reverbs and can actually do a convincing surf sound. I'm using it with an 18-watt clone, and it sounds great with OD on either side...amp OD or from a pedal.

I love those spring reverb units, and I don't use the Verbzilla for recording, but for live it's the ticket.
+3 on the Verbzilla.
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To everyone having problems with noisy Holy Grails.. Are you powering the unit with some kind of universal power adapter? I did that once only to discover the amount of noise i suddenly got.

I now use it with a decent power supply and there is absolutely no additional noise.
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Wow...I guess I got a "good" Holy grail pedal. Too bad it seems lots of people aren't happy with them. Mine's about 3 years old, and maybe they changed them. I was going to recommend one. Mine's noiseless, and on the spring setting it gives my old traynor head 95% identical reverb as my super reverb has. The hall setting is really sweet too.
I also have a quiet grail I guess they are inconsistent .
I use a space box reverb tank for fancy but for on the go quick reverb I use the grail, I have the rv5 and do not really care much for the sound.
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I've just bought a Boss FRV-1 and it kicked the HG out of my pedalboard
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I use a Holy Grail. Sounds great, no hum, if it died I'd buy another one.
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Recently added the Boss FRV-1, even after reading some less than stellar opinions on another thread on this board. I guess I don't have the "golden ears" that some seem to have, all I can say is it works for me. Natural sounding amp style reverb and controllable. From blusey to surf tones, I feel it's a great sounding reverb pedal, especially if your point of reference is Fender amp based reverb.
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Yup, the FRV-1 adds a sweet sound and puts some "sparkle" on a good clean signal.
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has anyone had a chance to try the Tech 21 RVB boost? I am curious about that one. Reverb and boost in one
I have one and love it. I find no issues running with OD either. I had a Holy Grail, then a Boss RV-5...settled on the Boost RVB. It very quiet, tweakable and can give a nice, warm, realistic reverb. I'm not crazy about the digital reverbs. This one allows you to find your own setting without relying on fake sounding emulations. And, it's a nice little boost at the end of your chain.
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I like the Digitech Hardwire- for my money the best of the budget pedals.
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The Line 6 Verbzilla is an awesome pedal, alot of great verbs, and the octo acts as a harmonizer.
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To everyone having problems with noisy Holy Grails.. Are you powering the unit with some kind of universal power adapter? I did that once only to discover the amount of noise i suddenly got.

I now use it with a decent power supply and there is absolutely no additional noise.
I totally agree;i had some kind of hiss from my holy grail plus using high gain tones;The voodoo lab killed the noise.
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I don't use Reverb pedal, but my friend use a Holy Grail, along with his overdrive pedal (not sure what it is, probably an Ibanez TS), and the reverb was so sweet. Talking about one great reverb. So, yeah, i will probably recommend this baby,
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Is the FVR-1 the same reverb components that Boss and Fender are using in the 63 DR and the Bassman pedal?
Not to be disagreeable but I found that my DR pedal makes a weird plinking noise when I use it. YMMV.
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