tube screamer

zepplin_275 · December 29th, 2006, 12:34 AM

i was wondering about the tube screamer pedal,, i want the kenny wayne sheppard sound so i was just seeing if anybody had any experience with the tube screamer pedal and if so reply to this and tell me if it is worth buying

chopchop · December 29th, 2006, 01:55 AM

What kind amp are you running? Tubescreamers sound their best when combined with big non-master volume amps on the verge of breakup, pushing them into overdrive; this sound won't be replicated through a smaller non-tube amp.

Pete Galati · December 29th, 2006, 02:02 AM

There's about a million TS clones being built right now, so if you like that nasil TS sound, it's really just a question of which one to buy.

I haven't been following what KWS is doing, but last time I heard him, the guy was way into SRV, who was one of the driving forces behind the popularity of the TS. So go for it, get a TS.

zepplin_275 · December 29th, 2006, 02:23 AM

yea im running a line 6 150w spider 2

Pete Galati · December 29th, 2006, 03:10 AM

I'm not sure if it's very helpful to put an OD pedal in front of a modeling amp. OD pedals are kind of meant for tube amps.

JohnnyCrash · December 29th, 2006, 03:51 AM

If you're going for a Kenny Wayne Sheppard sound, a TS into a modeling amp will NOT get you there.

1. Get a tube amp like he uses.
2. Use the same kind of speakers.
3. Use a Strat, preferabley with the same kinda pickups.
4. If he uses a TS it's probably the older TS808 like SRV used, since Kenny is pretty much a SRV clone, himself.

You don't necessarily need a non-Master Volume amp, you can turn the Pre or Gain control down quite a bit and just crank up the Master Volume.

Like chopchop, I also think an OD pedal sounds best when put in front of an amp who's power section is "breaking a sweat".

The TS808 does have a midrange "honk", much like Pete Galati says. One man's "honk" is another man's "nasal". There is a similar difference of opinions with Celestion Vintage 30 speakers and their goosey "honk".

You may be able to get "close enough" just with your modeling amp by itself without a TS pedal.

marc sosnoff · December 29th, 2006, 09:19 AM

kws had his ts's modded by analogman analogman does the kws mod
check out the site

spameister · December 29th, 2006, 11:57 AM

I'm not sure that you can't get a good sound from an overdrive pedal without a tube amp- If you added a booster pedal in front of it you could push it harder and get a good sound.

zepplin_275 · December 29th, 2006, 02:10 PM

well actually i figured out how to set my line 6 o get sorta the sound to play blue on black. i just turned the trouble up and adjusted some other setting for that preset cause its a modeling amp so i have lots of presets

JohnnyCrash · December 29th, 2006, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by zepplin_275

well actually i figured out how to set my line 6 o get sorta the sound to play blue on black. i just turned the trouble up and adjusted some other setting for that preset cause its a modeling amp so i have lots of presets

Yeah, try using the amp by itself if you can.

Boost pedals drive tubes in very different ways than they'd drive a modeler.

JohnK24 · December 29th, 2006, 02:40 PM

Try a Ibanez TS7 or Digitech Bad Monkey (a tubescreamer with bass/treble knobs and cheap $40 new). From what I've read, the original Tubescreamer was developed to WARM UP solid state amps in the eighties. Why not go to a music store and try one of the tubescreamers with a Line 6 amp (they all have basically the same sounds/model) and will react the same to a pedal.

Enjoy the hunt for "tone" !

J

photoweborama · December 29th, 2006, 03:05 PM

I don't know about KWS's Tone, but SRV used vibroverb and tweed amps with a tube screamer into it. He used big strings, but you can simulate that to a degree with Texas pickups.

I have a different viewpoint. I think you can get a similar sound with a modeling amp. I have a Vox AD30VT, and when I have it in tweed mode with my tubescreamer and my Strat with Texas pickups, I can get really close to the tone. Not that I play anything like either of them...

I don't think the spider's have a tweed mode...

JohnK24 · December 29th, 2006, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by photoweborama

I don't know about KWS's Tone, but SRV used vibroverb and tweed amps with a tube screamer into it. He used big strings, but you can simulate that to a degree with Texas pickups.

I have a different viewpoint. I think you can get a similar sound with a modeling amp. I have a Vox AD30VT, and when I have it in tweed mode with my tubescreamer and my Strat with Texas pickups, I can get really close to the tone. Not that I play anything like either of them...

I don't think the spider's have a tweed mode...

You don't need the "tweed mode"...the Texas Flood/SRV tones are Blackface Fender tones...Vibroverbs, Super Reverbs and a few Marshall Majors (200w bass amps) all running hot with a kick of TS. SRV didn't use Tweed bassman RIs until "In Step" was recorded...fwiw

Oh...and KWS is playing a Fuchs now, so there's a new wrinkle...a solid, deep loud and clean tone machine.

zepplin_275 · December 29th, 2006, 06:19 PM

i set my line 6 on blues and turned the bass up and switched to my neck pic-up and got pretty close to an SRV sound

Jason R. · December 30th, 2006, 12:14 AM

I run my Keeley modded TS-9 into a '65 Deluxe Reverb reissue. I like my clean very clean so no "sweat" as JohnnyCrash said. But even so, when I step into the TS-9 it gives me what I'm looking for at about 1/3 to 1/2 the way turned up. YMMV.

JohnnyCrash...your posts usually make me chuckle. How's the midnight wine coming along?

December 29th, 2006, 12:34 AM	#1 (permalink)
zepplin_275 NEW MEMBER! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: montrose Age: 23 Posts: 9	tube screamer i was wondering about the tube screamer pedal,, i want the kenny wayne sheppard sound so i was just seeing if anybody had any experience with the tube screamer pedal and if so reply to this and tell me if it is worth buying

December 29th, 2006, 01:55 AM	#2 (permalink)
chopchop TDPRI Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Age: 34 Posts: 16	What kind amp are you running? Tubescreamers sound their best when combined with big non-master volume amps on the verge of breakup, pushing them into overdrive; this sound won't be replicated through a smaller non-tube amp. __________________ Now with 10% more stupid questions

December 29th, 2006, 03:51 AM	#6 (permalink)
JohnnyCrash Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Fullerton, CA Posts: 8,748	If you're going for a Kenny Wayne Sheppard sound, a TS into a modeling amp will NOT get you there. 1. Get a tube amp like he uses. 2. Use the same kind of speakers. 3. Use a Strat, preferabley with the same kinda pickups. 4. If he uses a TS it's probably the older TS808 like SRV used, since Kenny is pretty much a SRV clone, himself. You don't necessarily need a non-Master Volume amp, you can turn the Pre or Gain control down quite a bit and just crank up the Master Volume. Like chopchop, I also think an OD pedal sounds best when put in front of an amp who's power section is "breaking a sweat". The TS808 does have a midrange "honk", much like Pete Galati says. One man's "honk" is another man's "nasal". There is a similar difference of opinions with Celestion Vintage 30 speakers and their goosey "honk". You may be able to get "close enough" just with your modeling amp by itself without a TS pedal. __________________ -- I constantly have to remind myself I'm a grownup and it's just the internet.

December 29th, 2006, 02:40 PM	#11 (permalink)
JohnK24 Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Western PA Posts: 1,592	Try a Ibanez TS7 or Digitech Bad Monkey (a tubescreamer with bass/treble knobs and cheap $40 new). From what I've read, the original Tubescreamer was developed to WARM UP solid state amps in the eighties. Why not go to a music store and try one of the tubescreamers with a Line 6 amp (they all have basically the same sounds/model) and will react the same to a pedal. Enjoy the hunt for "tone" ! J __________________ http://www.twloha.com/vision/ - sometimes we need to listen and lend a hand

December 29th, 2006, 03:05 PM	#12 (permalink)
photoweborama Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sacramento, CA Age: 51 Posts: 1,798 15 Photos	I don't know about KWS's Tone, but SRV used vibroverb and tweed amps with a tube screamer into it. He used big strings, but you can simulate that to a degree with Texas pickups. I have a different viewpoint. I think you can get a similar sound with a modeling amp. I have a Vox AD30VT, and when I have it in tweed mode with my tubescreamer and my Strat with Texas pickups, I can get really close to the tone. Not that I play anything like either of them... I don't think the spider's have a tweed mode... __________________ Best guitar photos on the net! photoweborama.com!

December 29th, 2006, 02:02 AM	#3 (permalink)
Pete Galati R.I.P. Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 8,104 2 Photos	There's about a million TS clones being built right now, so if you like that nasil TS sound, it's really just a question of which one to buy. I haven't been following what KWS is doing, but last time I heard him, the guy was way into SRV, who was one of the driving forces behind the popularity of the TS. So go for it, get a TS.

December 29th, 2006, 02:23 AM	#4 (permalink)
zepplin_275 NEW MEMBER! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: montrose Age: 23 Posts: 9	yea im running a line 6 150w spider 2

December 29th, 2006, 03:10 AM	#5 (permalink)
Pete Galati R.I.P. Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 8,104 2 Photos	I'm not sure if it's very helpful to put an OD pedal in front of a modeling amp. OD pedals are kind of meant for tube amps.

December 29th, 2006, 09:19 AM	#7 (permalink)
marc sosnoff Tele-Holic Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: new jersey Age: 56 Posts: 580 10 Photos	kws had his ts's modded by analogman analogman does the kws mod check out the site

December 29th, 2006, 11:57 AM	#8 (permalink)
spameister Tele-Meister Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Posts: 187	I'm not sure that you can't get a good sound from an overdrive pedal without a tube amp- If you added a booster pedal in front of it you could push it harder and get a good sound.

December 29th, 2006, 02:10 PM	#9 (permalink)
zepplin_275 NEW MEMBER! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: montrose Age: 23 Posts: 9	well actually i figured out how to set my line 6 o get sorta the sound to play blue on black. i just turned the trouble up and adjusted some other setting for that preset cause its a modeling amp so i have lots of presets

December 29th, 2006, 06:19 PM	#14 (permalink)
zepplin_275 NEW MEMBER! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: montrose Age: 23 Posts: 9	i set my line 6 on blues and turned the bass up and switched to my neck pic-up and got pretty close to an SRV sound

December 30th, 2006, 12:14 AM	#15 (permalink)
Jason R. Tele-Meister Join Date: May 2006 Location: Purcellville, VA Age: 36 Posts: 318	I run my Keeley modded TS-9 into a '65 Deluxe Reverb reissue. I like my clean very clean so no "sweat" as JohnnyCrash said. But even so, when I step into the TS-9 it gives me what I'm looking for at about 1/3 to 1/2 the way turned up. YMMV. JohnnyCrash...your posts usually make me chuckle. How's the midnight wine coming along? __________________ Sing unto him a new song; play skillfully with a loud noise. Psalm 33:3 Fly Navy! www.hsl49.navy.mil

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