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Old June 13th, 2003, 02:47 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Flanger Recommendations please.....

Thick,full,swirling,Analog.
Good for SRV and Robin Trower tones.

Any sleepers like the Arion Chorus???

Thank you for your advice,

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Old June 13th, 2003, 11:59 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Ibanez - Guyatone

You can find Ibanez FL9's (same series as the Tube Screamer) on E-bay for $60.00 - the yellow pedal. Now that Maxon reissued the 9 series, the old ones may become even more valuable and popular to collect. They sound great. I have the Ibanez and a Guyatone FL3 (the little pink one), again $60.00 on E-bay. The guyatone has rate and depth like a chorus pedal and a 3-way tiny switch for the resonance. 1 - Chorus like 2- Normal Flange 3- Super thick jet-flange. Easy to work with and super tones. They have honest, accurate sounding MP3's on guyatone's website www.guyatone.com give it a listen.

If you like Trower tones, find a cheap little Danelectro Chicken Salad Vibrato (the orange one) on E-bay, I paid under $20.00. Very nice. This one really suprised me. I never let it sit out on the floor when I'm done playing because it is built like a toy. I afraid to step on it when I don't mean to step on it. The tone is really nice- deep churning spinning tone - fun.
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Old June 14th, 2003, 12:08 AM   #3 (permalink)
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If you want that sound like Trower got on Bridge of Sighs thats a Univibe and SRV used a rotating speaker cabinet for his swirly tones. Eric Johnson uses a TC Electronics Flanger/chorus for his 3 completly different sounds.
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Old June 14th, 2003, 12:09 AM   #4 (permalink)
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If you want that sound like Trower got on Bridge of Sighs thats a Univibe and SRV used a rotating speaker cabinet for his swirly tones. Eric Johnson uses a TC Electronics Flanger/chorus for his 3 completly different sounds.
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Old June 14th, 2003, 01:13 AM   #5 (permalink)
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flanger

I had a Ibanez FL9 - it was OK but nothing outstanding IMO, had an old DOD flanger that sounded good, don't remember the model but it sounded better to me than the Boss flangers.
Sleeper? the Dano Hash Browns is a good cheap flanger.

Years ago I had a Ross flanger , big , ac powered, somewhat noisy but it sounded good, I'd like to try out the EH Electric Mistress sometime.

For now I just bought a Guyatone mini flanger pedal, FL3 model, I haven't heard it yet but it's supposed to sound more like studio flanging than most pedals, and has a 3 mode switch.
I'll post a review should have it soon.
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Old June 18th, 2003, 12:31 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I've had three flangers and two of them were superb for what they did. One was a yellow Ibanez flanger that had the best up-and-down "zing" of any flanger, I've tried. It had a clean assertive sound.

I also had an MXR reissue. You have to plug it into the wall, but it's extremely versatile. You can get classic flanger sounds, chewy phase shifter sounds, rotating speaker sounds, etc.
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Old June 18th, 2003, 12:50 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I dunno much about these things...

I have layed down some tracks using a mates EH Electric Mistress. Not a RI, an old one.

I love it!

Its noisy, but can do some killer tones. Pity its big and bulky.

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Old June 18th, 2003, 08:24 AM   #8 (permalink)
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My 80's BOSS BF2 High Band flanger (thrird from the left front row,has been in my pedalboard for ever,nice leslie imitation with everything cranked and very nice and full overdrive when used w/lighter settings
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Old June 18th, 2003, 10:09 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Re: Flanger Recommendations please.....

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Thick,full,swirling,Analog.
Good for SRV and Robin Trower tones.

Any sleepers like the Arion Chorus???

Thank you for your advice,
as others have pointed out...those two aren't using a flanger....

but...

search out an old red, ac power ross flanger.....one of the best "leslie" sounding pedals you'll find......i own a leslie and nothing sounds the same, but the ross sounds really, really good.....

the voodoo labs chorus and the microvibe are also good ones to try....different flavors of the swirly univibe/leslie thing.....

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Old June 18th, 2003, 12:30 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Ibanez FL-301

The best flanger I ever heard/had (still have it somewhere, but can't find it) was the Ibanez FL-301 (not the FL-301-Dx). This is the one that came before the FL-9, and ran on two 9-volt batteries. The FL-301-Dx had a single 9-volt.

This had the richest flange sound that I've ever heard. It seems I've gone through every box in my basement, but I still can't find mine. I'll buy another on eBay as soon as I can get one at the right price -- I paid $30 for mine 15 years ago....
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Old June 18th, 2003, 01:35 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I bought a Voodoo Labs Micro-Vibe on Ebay last night.

Hopefully that'll get me where I wanna go.
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Old June 18th, 2003, 04:50 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I think the MicroVibe is great for doing the vibe thing ala Trower and Hendrix. I have a very fine cusom made Univibe knockoff that sounds a bit better, but for the difference in price and the less real estate it takes up, the MicroVibe is a real winner. This thing is nothing like a flanger. I have several flangers; a couple ADAs, and old MXR, DODs, etc... The ADA (both original and reissue) is by far the most versatile and intense. The one I often use, however is an old Electra from the '70s. It does the classic dive bomb, swirling, combing effect better than most including the MXR.
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Old June 18th, 2003, 04:55 PM   #13 (permalink)
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...and I forgot to give at least honorable mention to an old Electric Mistress (Filter Matrix-non Deluxe version). It murders, too, but is less controllable (which may be a good thing)... These are actually better than the ADA in some ways..a less refined, raw sound. It was significantly altered when they "upgraded" (tamed would be more fitting) it to the Deluxe version shortly after it was introduced.
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Old June 19th, 2003, 07:25 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Has anyone checked out the Paradox TZF flanger from FoxRox? I think it's new. They make some pretty big claims for it.
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Old June 20th, 2003, 01:01 AM   #15 (permalink)
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My favorite...

Is still my Morley Deluxe Flanger. (ca. 1980) It's a 4-knob flanger, does the MXR stuff well, but it also gets into a nice chorusy area that isn't quite a Univibe, isn't quite a chorus. I love that sound. I also like having the ability to set the travel to zero and the "manual" knob such that I can get a static deep metallic sound.

But, the pedal sucks tone pretty bad. And, the wall wart jack is unusual at 12V with a mini phone jack. I keep thinking I should see if I could put in a true bypass mod with a 3PDT, but I haven't bothered. So, it sits on the floor, unused until I decide to get off my ass and figure out the circuit enough to wire in a new switch.

I tried a Boss BF-2 -- ick. It won't do the classic flange sounds, and it won't do the mellow chorus/vibe stuff. So I sold it.

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Old June 20th, 2003, 11:03 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Danelectro Psycho Flanger

A cheap "sleeper", MF blew em out a few months ago for 20 bucks with AC adapter!. built and weighs like a brickhouse with gOofY pseudo sykadelik graphics. Has 3 controls: speed, regen and width. Initially I wasn't blown away by it , but I was running it into a tweed Deluxe and Vibro Champ, perhaps the wrong kind of amps for this kind of device. I've lately been tweaking and playing around with my pedal board...last night I added the Psycho Flanger to the chain to a Super Reverb-this worked. Added clean and dirty boost from a Fat Boost. I hope my house's double pane windows did their job last night-if they didn't the neighbors got a dose of clumsy Trower and Gilmour with dinner. and maybe I'm imagining this, but the flanger seemed to add gain.

I couldn't dial in Cold Shot SRV-my Boss CE1 does that stuff- but churning Rock n Roll (Lou Reed) with a Les Paul Junior oh yeah!

the PF didn't seem too noisy-I was going for loud last night-and with the right macro amp like a Super Reverb, it's a good sounding inexpensive unit.

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Old June 20th, 2003, 04:24 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Speaking of Flangers...

I picked one up today. It turned out to be quite a tough decision between two models, an 80s MXR and a 70s? DOD 640.

In the end, I went with the MXR since it seemed to have better sounds across a variety of settings, whereas the DOD had some great sounds at some settings, but got a little wobbly at others. The two sounds were quite different, and I must have went back and forth about 20 times (which wasn't easy, plugging them in, etc., each time).

The fundamental differences were as follows:

The MXR seemed closer to the traditional "tape" flange sound done in the studio in the 60s (Hendrix, etc.) - better for more atmospheric, subtle flanging

The DOD was closer to the "vocal" sounding flange associated with EVH and other 80s flangers (I know he used an MXR, but believe me, this seemed closer to his sound) - better for more in your face flanging, a la Joe Walsh "Confessor".

They were both really cool, and both had the same drawbacks: somewhat noisy, pretty large size, and with a permanently attached 3-prog adapter (which can give you a little sizzle when you're plugging in the patch cords - be careful!)

I hope I made the right choice.
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Old June 21st, 2003, 02:39 AM   #18 (permalink)
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I've got a few flangers

  • Old Boss BF-2 - I got this brand new probably around 1981 or so. I've had tons and tons of pedals over the years and this is one of only two that I've kept all this time. This is a classic. It does the lush sort of sound better than anything else I've used. Not the best pedal for jet airplane or leslie tones. I use it on guitar as well as bass. I've never had a single problem with it and I'm not particularly gentle with my gear.
  • Boss HF-2 Hi-band Flanger - this is similar to the BF-2 except it doesn't mess with the low end frequencies. I'm starting to like this one a lot but am still attached to the BF-2. Works nice for bass.
  • Danelectro Psycho Flanger - this is one of the heavy duty pedals (not a mini). I bought it on a whim from Musicians Friend when they were blowing them out for 20 bucks. As the name implies, this does the trippy sort of flanger thing. Not a smooth lush chorus type sweep - very in your face. It's a super cool effect for $20.
  • Maxon FL301 - at last, the jet airliner flanger! Sounds great but I never seem to find a reason to use it. Not sure if I'll hang on to this one.
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I bought a Voodoo Labs Micro-Vibe on Ebay last night.

Hopefully that'll get me where I wanna go.
Indeed. I had a Fulltone Dejavibe and really liked it but could never quite get what I wanted out of it. Plus it's huge! I picked up a Micro-Vibe off of Ebay and am thrilled with it. The thing I've found tricky with leslie and tremolo pedals is to find the right place in the pedal and amp chain. I've found that in some situations they sound better before the overdrive pedals and in other configurations they sound better afterward overdrive.
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Old June 21st, 2003, 03:34 PM   #20 (permalink)
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I love the Micro-Vibe.....

I bought it from a guy in a nearby town,so I drove down and picked it up.
When Igot it home I tok the back off to install a battery and someone had cut the two wires going to the battery.

I immediately called the guy and told him I would install
new battery cables and if there was anything else wrong with it I would be back down in a couple of hours,either I
get a refund or he takes an a$$-whipping.

He said he would gladly refund my money.

I put a new battery in it and it works great,but it works much better with an adapter.

I'm very satisfied with it.
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