My standard Crybaby came with a Fasel?

[Freethenoise]

Hey guys,
I bought a standard (GCB-95) crybaby and a red Fazel off of ebay. I opened the back of the wah to perform the modification and there was already one in the place of the black ugly thing I expected.
Umm... Has this ever happened to anyone? I thought the standards were pretty bad till they were modded, but this one already is.
Thanks guys.
-Aiden

[Lazloryder]

I've heard of this happening. They may have run out of the other inductor, or someone just said "F" it. Maybe they packaged the Classic Guts into the Original casing. Whatever the cases, that's awesome bro :)

[cellrebral]

Same with mine (GCB-95), I posted back in September when I bought it. Opened it up to check things out and change some resistor values and saw that it already had the red fasel Inductor in it. Bought mine at GC in NY

[ruger9]

So, if the Originals now have red fasels in them, what's the difference between the originals & the classics (since the classics also have red fasels in them)?

[Freethenoise]

Yeah, it saves me time but I was looking forward to modding it myself.
What resister values were you going to change if you don't mind me asking?

[cellrebral]

Originally Posted by Freethenoise

Yeah, it saves me time but I was looking forward to modding it myself.
What resister values were you going to change if you don't mind me asking?

Check this link http://www.wamplerpedals.com/downloa...rue-bypass.pdf

I did variations of these three mods from the last page of the document

"Easy" range adjustment: Takes some of the shrill highs out of a Dunlop Crybaby. This one requires no soldering
skills at all, and I regularly do it to many of the wahs I service. To lower/raise the working range slightly, set the wah on
a table, face down with the battery end towards your gut, and press the pedal down to the stop. Remove the bottom
plate and locate the toothed bar that turns the pot axle. Move the treadle up/down a few times, to familiarize yourself
with which way the pot turns as you press the treadle down towards the toe end. With a phillips-head screwdriver,
remove (or just loosen it enough to turn it sideways) the white plastic flange that presses the toothed bar against the pot
axle gears, and release the bar. Now you can manually turn the pot one or two notches back. Viewed from the battery end, you turn the pot towards you (it's clockwise, if you view the pot assembly from the left). There is room to safely adjust it two notches or so before the pot runs out of play.

Vocal mod: Replace the 33K resistor in series with the inductor with a
higher value, like 56 or 68K. This will make the resonance peak of the
circuit sharper (with a smaller "Q" value), which in turn makes the "wah"
sound more like "woh".

Lower range: The 0.01uF cap controls the frequency range. A lower value shifts the wah higher in frequency, while a
higher value lowers it. To shift the wah downwards (using more of the woofy bassy wah sounds), try a 0.022uF cap
here. If you come across a bass wah cheap, buy it - you only need to change this cap to turn it into a guitar wah (or the
other way around)! The standard bass wah uses a 0.068uF cap in this position. (Thanks to Matt Parlane for providing
the bass wah value.)

[telepath]

I have a CryBaby Classic - with the Red Fasel (which is supposed to have) and it is also unbuffered and sucks no tone in bypass.
I'd like to say it is True Bypass, but I can only say that it very much seems to be, rather than categorically state that 'it is'.

The CryBaby 'Original' is not TB. Or rather, it is not supposed to be.
But then it is not supposed to have the red Fasel either .. ;)

[chrisgblues]

So did your wah sound bad? Was that why you wanted to mod it? Or was it just because you 'read' somewhere that it was supposed to sound bad without the fasel? Lots of people don't buy into this mod. To each his own I guess.

We often hear with our eyes not our ears. I have a crybaby without the fasel and it sounds great to me. I did the vocal mod and a true bypass mod and a volume mod. I'm wishing I didn't do the mods now, well...except for true bypass.

But no, I've never heard of a factory fasel in the standard crybaby until this thread. I'm thinking they ran out of the usual part.

JMHO. YMMV.

[Freethenoise]

Originally Posted by cellrebral

Check this link http://www.wamplerpedals.com/downloa...rue-bypass.pdf

I did variations of these three mods from the last page of the document

Thank you for this list of mods, I already have perfromed the range mod because it used to get a little more than comfortable feedback when the toe was down.
I probably will mod it with true bypass, I did a few experiments with the tone sucking and it was very much evident.

[Freethenoise]

Originally Posted by chrisgblues

So did your wah sound bad? Was that why you wanted to mod it? Or was it just because you 'read' somewhere that it was supposed to sound bad without the fasel? Lots of people don't buy into this mod. To each his own I guess.

We often hear with our eyes not our ears. I have a crybaby without the fasel and it sounds great to me. I did the vocal mod and a true bypass mod and a volume mod. I'm wishing I didn't do the mods now, well...except for true bypass.

But no, I've never heard of a factory fasel in the standard crybaby until this thread. I'm thinking they ran out of the usual part.

JMHO. YMMV.

Well, it's not that it sounded bad, I just thought it would sound better if I modded it. I always see stuff that standard crybabys are supposed to be pretty bad and I was looking for an excuse to mess around with a circuit so I bought the two of them.
Either way, I used a 2008 Crybaby that my friend had the other day as a comparison and I did notice a difference, I don't think as much as people think there might be, but there is a difference in the clarity of the sweep.
He also let me open that one and the big black inductor was present.

[ruger9]

My interest in this thread is two-fold:

1) I like the red fasel sound. I had a MXR CAE 404 that I LOVED the red fasel side, but would never use the boost or the yellow fasel side.

2) I use a fuzz, and the CAE doesn't play well with fuzzes... common problem. I would would put a FoxRox buffer in it, but he's not sure if it would work in the CAE or not. SO....

When I heard the CB Classic has a red fasel, I'm very interested, because it WILL take the FoxRox buffer and if it sounds like the red side of the 404...

[Freethenoise]

Bringing this thread back...

I finally got around to modding my crybaby to true-bypass and I went ahead and removed the buffer while I was there.
I have to say I like it more now. I'm probably doing the hearing with my eyes thing but I actually think it sounds clearer without the buffer in there.
I was also waiting to do more research on the vocal mod and gain boost. Although Chrisgblues said he wishes he didn't do them. Also it says in the text for the mods on ebay that it only works on the circuit boards REV E, F and G. from 2007 onwards Crybaby's have been Rev I.
Logically, they only make minor changes, so I assume it would actually work. Any opinions?