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TDPRI · August 15th, 2011, 06:51 PM

Today an effects pedal vendor filed a DMCA complaint (Digital Millennium Copyright Act) against the TDPRI and threatened legal action to force us to remove an image from the this forum.

We have complied with this vendor's request -- and to insure that we have no more such problems we have removed all posts that referred to this vendor and his products. We have also censored his name and web address so that they may not be used.

We wanted you to be aware of this should you type the web address of a stomp box maker and see nothing but www.*************.com

Zagnut · August 15th, 2011, 09:02 PM

I don't know who it is, but all I can do is shake my head in disbelief. And never buy their pedals when I find out who it is. Of course, I might never have wanted any of their stuff anyway.

TeleBrew · August 15th, 2011, 09:54 PM

Wow, what a great way to lose lots of potential (and current) business. Kudos to whomever it was.

'56Teleman · August 15th, 2011, 10:01 PM

I'm glad the hassle wasn't greater than that.

backalleyblues · August 15th, 2011, 10:16 PM

Hmm, I can only guess... the same ijiots that caused TGP to "freak" out???!?!

Certainly would be their style...

Franc Robert

Greg.Coal · August 15th, 2011, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by '56Teleman

I'm glad the hassle wasn't greater than that.

+1!

I'll imagine that it was the over-zealous efforts of a legal person who didn't appreciate the nuances of user forums and their ability to help promote a vendor's product.

Greg

Bulldog87 · August 15th, 2011, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by '56Teleman

I'm glad the hassle wasn't greater than that.

Agreed, though now I too am interested.

Only because I want to make sure not to purchase anything they make. This is taking it too far IMHO. Pedals must not be that good if they don't want a few guys on TDPRI talking about them.

SamClemons · August 15th, 2011, 10:36 PM

Why would they want to loose the free advertising? Maybe you ought to offer to reinstate thier name and pictures if you charge them a fee. Clicking on the initial link did not take me anywhere....

Ringo · August 15th, 2011, 10:37 PM

I think it's pretty obvious who it was, you wouldn't want any of their products if you know the story behind them.

tap4154 · August 15th, 2011, 10:44 PM

Yes, a very freakish action, if you ask me.

domakkah · August 15th, 2011, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ringo

I think it's pretty obvious who it was, you wouldn't want any of their products if you know the story behind them.

not necessarily obvious to all of us...

stevieboy · August 15th, 2011, 10:59 PM

Great way to deal with it, Paul!

jefcon1 · August 15th, 2011, 11:25 PM

dang

Geoff Charles · August 15th, 2011, 11:33 PM

I like how it was dealt with.

kddean66 · August 15th, 2011, 11:40 PM

Yeah. Paul didn't freak out or anything. No singing the blues here.

sjhusting · August 16th, 2011, 12:12 AM

For those of us who are clueless, other than counting 13 asterisks, whoever these guys are I would like to know so I can refrain from giving them any money. Some way to give us a hint?

steven

Brandon mac · August 16th, 2011, 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sjhusting

For those of us who are clueless, other than counting 13 asterisks, whoever these guys are I would like to know so I can refrain from giving them any money. Some way to give us a hint?

steven

+1 for me too. this is the best musicians forum ever and i can promise if i find out who it was me nor any of my friends will buy their products ever!!

robt57 · August 16th, 2011, 12:17 AM

NM

culturejam · August 16th, 2011, 12:21 AM

Yep.

To the admin, we're dealing with the same stuff over at FreeStompBoxes (I'm a moderator there). If you want to discuss anything in particular, please feel free to send me a PM and we can take it from there. We've done a ton of legal research on DMCA counter-notices and the overall process in general.

JayDee · August 16th, 2011, 12:45 AM

Just do a search on here of your favorite (or least) manufacturer and see what doesn't return any results. I checked a few. I recommend not naming any names in an effort to keep this place and the folks who run it out of any hassle.

tap4154 · August 16th, 2011, 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon mac

+1 for me too. this is the best musicians forum ever and i can promise if i find out who it was me nor any of my friends will buy their products ever!!

Let's just say that the average player isn't affected. Only cork-sniffers.

Steven Seagal probably has their entire pedal line, but paid way more than he should have

Sandcaster · August 16th, 2011, 12:47 AM

Could somebody PM the name to me?? I'd like to make sure I don't do bussiness with them.

sjhusting · August 16th, 2011, 12:48 AM

Found it in the cache. I never read any of those threads, and never heard of that manufacturer. Very distasteful, the whole thing.

ACollier · August 16th, 2011, 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandcaster

Could somebody PM the name to me?? I'd like to make sure I don't do bussiness with them.

Just buy from Joyo and you'll be fine.

Ippon · August 16th, 2011, 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by backalleyblues

Hmm, I can only guess... the same ijiots that caused TGP to "freak" out???!?!

Certainly would be their style...

Franc Robert

audiohatemchine · August 16th, 2011, 01:00 AM

Oh. Riiiiiight.

Them.

audiohatemchine · August 16th, 2011, 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ACollier

Just buy from Joyo and you'll be fine.

Dude. Owned

donh · August 16th, 2011, 01:07 AM

would that be the alpha drive made by:
www.*************.com ??

hmmm?

JeradP · August 16th, 2011, 01:16 AM

So they don't want free 'press' basically?

tap4154 · August 16th, 2011, 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeradP

So they don't want free 'press' basically?

Free press, and being exposed... are quite different.

flyingbanana · August 16th, 2011, 01:23 AM

I love hints. Thanks....you know who you are.

PS...even though it didn't show when you wrote it.

I figured it out though.

TeleTim911 · August 16th, 2011, 01:30 AM

I'm clueless...I don't buy many pedals, nor use them that much...but I'd like to know who so I don't make that mistake (and tell my friends). If someone would PM me and let me know I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

flyingbanana · August 16th, 2011, 01:30 AM

www.*************.com being said...what's the deal behind the pedal in question? I watched a couple of vids on it, and it does sound pretty doggone good. I want one. Talk me out of it. Please.

NWinther · August 16th, 2011, 01:33 AM

Over a pedal design so old that the club was barely invented yet????!!!
That is just crazy......
And to (miss)use the DMCA for that....awesome...

Makes one think about putting a schematic along with the pedals we make for the future, just for repairs....as they are nothing but general and very common.

audiohatemchine · August 16th, 2011, 01:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyingbanana

www.*************.com being said...what's the deal behind the pedal in question? I watched a couple of vids on it, and it does sound pretty doggone good. I want one. Talk me out of it. Please.

To the best of my knowledge it is a pedal that has been repainted, has had the manufacturer's print on the PCB scratched out, one or two component changes [if any], and sold for 7x more than the original price. I may or may not have an "unmodified original" pedal made by the manufacturer in question on my pedal board... Which is in my signature, and may or may not have a giant smiley next to it.

tap4154 · August 16th, 2011, 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by audiohatemchine

To the best of my knowledge it is a pedal that has been repainted, has had the manufacturer's print on the PCB scratched out, one or two component changes [if any], and sold for 7x more than the original price. I may or may not have an "unmodified original" pedal made by the manufacturer in question on my pedal board... Which is in my signature, and may or may not have a giant smiley next to it.

Well that would be outright FRAUD... if that were the case. Even if a few minor changes were made, or IF a bunch of goop was smeared over the original designer's scratched-out name, in a way that made it look like components were there... IF that happened, of course.

What FOOL would do that, then threaten large internet forums with lawsuits, when they'd best be running for the border with wads of cash?

tuuur · August 16th, 2011, 01:50 AM

That was an interesting google cache read, and some fine mess this now not to be mentioned builder got himself into.

Well done Paul!

tap4154 · August 16th, 2011, 01:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyingbanana

www.*************.com being said...what's the deal behind the pedal in question? I watched a couple of vids on it, and it does sound pretty doggone good. I want one. Talk me out of it. Please.

I have this VERY cool bridge... You've never seen one like it.

Let me show you some pics...

audiohatemchine · August 16th, 2011, 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tap4154

Well that would be outright FRAUD... if that were the case. Even if a few minor changes were made, or IF a bunch of goop was smeared over the original designer's scratched-out name, in a way that made it look like components were there... IF that happened, of course.

What FOOL would do that, then threaten large internet forums with lawsuits, when they'd best be running for the border with wads of cash?

Hey I got it right :D Anyway, yeah. What an underpants head.

eyerish · August 16th, 2011, 02:25 AM

www.*************.com

Oh OK it is them. Don't use them anyway.

August 15th, 2011, 06:51 PM	#1 (permalink)
TDPRI Administrator Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: TDPRILAND Posts: 9,081 49 Photos	Legal Action Threat Today an effects pedal vendor filed a DMCA complaint (Digital Millennium Copyright Act) against the TDPRI and threatened legal action to force us to remove an image from the this forum. We have complied with this vendor's request -- and to insure that we have no more such problems we have removed all posts that referred to this vendor and his products. We have also censored his name and web address so that they may not be used. We wanted you to be aware of this should you type the web address of a stomp box maker and see nothing but www.*************.com

August 15th, 2011, 09:54 PM	#3 (permalink)
TeleBrew Friend of Leo's Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Evergreen, Colorado Age: 40 Posts: 2,193	Wow, what a great way to lose lots of potential (and current) business. Kudos to whomever it was. __________________ We never let the music get in the way of our stage show. -Pete Townshend

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Ringo Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Memphis TN Posts: 3,240	re "the same ijiots that caused TGP to "freak" out???!?! " I think it's pretty obvious who it was, you wouldn't want any of their products if you know the story behind them.

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Zagnut Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Seattle Age: 57 Posts: 210	I don't know who it is, but all I can do is shake my head in disbelief. And never buy their pedals when I find out who it is. Of course, I might never have wanted any of their stuff anyway.

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SamClemons Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Jasper, TN Posts: 1,584	Why would they want to loose the free advertising? Maybe you ought to offer to reinstate thier name and pictures if you charge them a fee. Clicking on the initial link did not take me anywhere....

August 15th, 2011, 10:44 PM	#10 (permalink)
tap4154 Friend of Leo's Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Southern California Posts: 3,772	Yes, a very freakish action, if you ask me.

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stevieboy Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: the valley Age: 60 Posts: 4,806 6 Photos	Great way to deal with it, Paul! __________________ "... I'm gonna show you the inside of me." Albert Collins

August 15th, 2011, 11:25 PM	#13 (permalink)
jefcon1 Tele-Meister Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Wake Forest, NC Age: 45 Posts: 383	dang

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Geoff Charles Tele-Meister Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: North Carolina Posts: 131	I like how it was dealt with.

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kddean66 Tele-Holic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Edmond, OK Age: 46 Posts: 854 10 Photos	Yeah. Paul didn't freak out or anything. No singing the blues here.

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sjhusting Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 1,299 23 Photos	For those of us who are clueless, other than counting 13 asterisks, whoever these guys are I would like to know so I can refrain from giving them any money. Some way to give us a hint? steven __________________ "When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite" - WSC

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culturejam TDPRI Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: over yonder Posts: 9	Yep. To the admin, we're dealing with the same stuff over at FreeStompBoxes (I'm a moderator there). If you want to discuss anything in particular, please feel free to send me a PM and we can take it from there. We've done a ton of legal research on DMCA counter-notices and the overall process in general. Last edited by TDPRI; August 27th, 2011 at 03:50 PM.

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JayDee Tele-Meister Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Missouri Posts: 207	Just do a search on here of your favorite (or least) manufacturer and see what doesn't return any results. I checked a few. I recommend not naming any names in an effort to keep this place and the folks who run it out of any hassle.

August 16th, 2011, 12:47 AM	#22 (permalink)
Sandcaster Tele-Meister Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Iraq Posts: 131 1 Photos	Could somebody PM the name to me?? I'd like to make sure I don't do bussiness with them.

August 16th, 2011, 12:48 AM	#23 (permalink)
sjhusting Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 1,299 23 Photos	Found it in the cache. I never read any of those threads, and never heard of that manufacturer. Very distasteful, the whole thing. __________________ "When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite" - WSC

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flyingbanana Friend of Leo's Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Southern, California Posts: 3,442	I love hints. Thanks....you know who you are. PS...even though it didn't show when you wrote it. I figured it out though.

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TeleTim911 Friend of Leo's Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Calera, Alabama Age: 59 Posts: 2,888	I'm clueless...I don't buy many pedals, nor use them that much...but I'd like to know who so I don't make that mistake (and tell my friends). If someone would PM me and let me know I'd appreciate it. Thanks. __________________ "Just once I'd like to hear you scream in pain" "Play some RAP music"

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flyingbanana Friend of Leo's Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Southern, California Posts: 3,442	www.*************.com being said...what's the deal behind the pedal in question? I watched a couple of vids on it, and it does sound pretty doggone good. I want one. Talk me out of it. Please.

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NWinther Tele-Meister Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Denmark Aarhus. Age: 44 Posts: 222	Over a pedal design so old that the club was barely invented yet????!!! That is just crazy...... And to (miss)use the DMCA for that....awesome... Makes one think about putting a schematic along with the pedals we make for the future, just for repairs....as they are nothing but general and very common. __________________ You are not thinking, you are merely being logical.

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tuuur Friend of Leo's Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: the Netherlands Age: 43 Posts: 3,654 7 Photos	That was an interesting google cache read, and some fine mess this now not to be mentioned builder got himself into. Well done Paul! __________________ RIP MCA

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