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Old October 24th, 2009, 12:40 AM   #1 (permalink)
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TU-2 or Pitchblack?

So I am finally going to be buying a tuning pedal of my own, and was wondering if anyone had any major pros or cons for either of these. I have seen so many people with TU-2s, and only recently have I started to see Pitchblacks.

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Old October 24th, 2009, 01:38 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I have both ... love the pitchblack. Nothing wrong with the tu-2, but the pitchblack is easier to read, starts the display a little sooner and seems more accurate. It might just be personal preference. They both work well.
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Old October 24th, 2009, 01:40 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I really like the Korg.
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Old October 24th, 2009, 02:47 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Between the two, the pitchblack. Though I went with the Sonic Research Turbo Tuner:

http://www.turbo-tuner.com/
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Old October 24th, 2009, 02:48 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I have both too, they're both good.
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Old October 24th, 2009, 04:27 AM   #6 (permalink)
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only recently have I started to see Pitchblacks.
That's because the pitchblack just came out last year. It's a lot more accurate than the Boss, a lot better looking, and it's true bypass. I'd go with the pitchblack.
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Old October 24th, 2009, 11:06 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Thanks guys. I had been leaning toward the pitchblack anyway, just because it seems like the TU-2 is the cliched pedal to have.
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Old October 24th, 2009, 02:04 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Well, the TU2 has been around longer, that's why you'll see it on pedalboards more often - but the Pitchblack beats it in almost every aspect...
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Old October 24th, 2009, 02:10 PM   #9 (permalink)
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How is the Pitchblack in terms of durability? Are the jacks as solid as the Boss? (Which I have already).

Accuracy and bypass on the Korg are intriguing.
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Old October 24th, 2009, 02:17 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I have only used the TU2... if you play an outdoor gig in the daytime you can not see it... other than that I like it.
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Old October 24th, 2009, 03:06 PM   #11 (permalink)
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How is the Pitchblack in terms of durability? Are the jacks as solid as the Boss? (Which I have already).

Accuracy and bypass on the Korg are intriguing.
That was another one of my concerns. I know from past experience that I feel confident stepping on a Boss pedal in steel toed boots, but the Korg looks kind of fragile.
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Old October 24th, 2009, 03:11 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Don't let the looks deceive you - the Pitchblack has a metal case...
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Old October 24th, 2009, 03:22 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Awesome. Thanks. And I apologize if I come across as a noob. haha
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Old October 24th, 2009, 03:27 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I have the Digitech Hardwire Chromatic Tuner. Of all the ones mentioned, only the Boss isn't True Bypass.

If you want the best pedal tuner imaginable, get the Sonic Research Turbo Tuner, as someone already mentioned. Look at this comparison with the Strobo Stomp and how it mops the floor with it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bY9H7ec6_0
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Old October 24th, 2009, 07:53 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Old October 24th, 2009, 08:39 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I have the Digitech Hardwire Chromatic Tuner. Of all the ones mentioned, only the Boss isn't True Bypass.

If you want the best pedal tuner imaginable, get the Sonic Research Turbo Tuner, as someone already mentioned. Look at this comparison with the Strobo Stomp and how it mops the floor with it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bY9H7ec6_0
Mops the floor???

Apart from the smaller footprint they both did a great job of tuning the guitar. Plus the Strobo Stomp can be used as an Active DI box as well.
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Old October 24th, 2009, 08:55 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I'm going to give another vote to the Sonic Research ST-200 Turbo Tuner. It replaced the TU-2 on my own board.

I was looking at the Pitchblack and the Peterson Strobostomp as well, but the Turbo Tuner beat them both out.
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Old October 25th, 2009, 05:16 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I've been considering both of these as well, I've decided on the PB. Korg is offering a $10 rebate on the PB if purchased in October, that might make a difference to you.
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Old October 25th, 2009, 05:26 PM   #19 (permalink)
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+1 on the Pitchblack--I don't have any experience with the Boss but I can say that the Pitchblack is extremely accurate and easy to use and it has performed flawlessly for over a year. In fact, it's so accurate I can easily intonate my guitars with it--using the Korg DT-10, I had to fine-tune the intonation by ear and trial and error after getting it close with the tuner.

The Pitchblack is hard to see in bright sunlight, though.
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Old October 25th, 2009, 06:43 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Does anybody have real-world experience as to which of the two is easier to see in direct sunlight?

Also, the Sonic Research Turbo Tuner is much better, but at a significantly higher price point (especially with a $10 rebate from Korg). If accuracy is very important to you (setting intonation, etc.) then this is probably the best choice, but the Pitchblack is more than good enough for most guitarists.
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Old October 25th, 2009, 07:25 PM   #21 (permalink)
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What Big Mike said...

I've had my BOSS TU2 for a few years and its a great workhorse, also provides a signal buffer on the pedalboard otherwise populated with true bypass pedals.
BUT... if you're ever playing an outdoor show, you can kiss it goodbye as you can't see a thing in direct daylight. This one minor but significant item (for me as I check tuning lots) is enough to look seriously at the PitchBlack.
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Old October 25th, 2009, 08:22 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Well, I played an outdoor festival in August, and in glaring sunlight (we played at 2:00 PM) the Pitchblack was a bit hard to read, too...
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Old October 25th, 2009, 09:01 PM   #23 (permalink)
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They say you can read a TU-1000....

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Old October 26th, 2009, 03:07 AM   #24 (permalink)
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I actually find the old workhorse BOSS TU-2 to be easier to read in direct sunlight than the KORG. I bought the Pitch Black because of its small size and because I had gotten the idea somehow that it was easier to see at outdoor shows.

I've long been a fan of KORG tuners, and I do think that they are capable of better intonation than are BOSS tuners. The deal breaker for me on the Pitch Black was that it was extremely unpredictable with my mandolins. It didn't seem to want to track, so it got booted from the working board.

I have a Peterson Strobo Stomp. It's great in direct sunlight, and the accuracy is second to none. The size presents an issue on my small board, so I've relegated it to use for sessions. The Turbo Tuner is appealing to me, but whenever I've asked pointed questions as to how it fares in direct sunlight vs. the Peterson, I've not liked the answers.

Whenever I do outdoor work, I always carry a clip-on tuner as a backup. My current fave is a little Tune Tech TT-1000. I paid about 20 bucks for it, and it has a bright green back-lit display that's easily visible under most conditions. I keep it nearby, or in a pocket.

I did an outdoor festival set yesterday at 3:00 in the afternoon, and the venerable TU-2 really didn't fare badly under the sun at all. And it tracks very quickly and predictably across a wide variety of stringed instruments. I keep trying to replace it, but all things considered, it has remained my workhorse for many years. Re-configuring my board to accomodate the Peterson means that I've got to build a board and a road case that's one inch longer than what I've been using for quite some time now. Not that big a deal in the grand scheme of things, but the prospect does require effort on my part, and therein lies the problem.
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Old October 26th, 2009, 03:32 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Am I the only one that has the Hardwire Tuner? It's pretty damn bright if that's an issue. Nice blue color.
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Old October 26th, 2009, 04:01 AM   #26 (permalink)
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I replaced my TU-2 this year with a Korg PB. I like it a lot.
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Peterson Strobostomp is the best and most accurate stompbox tuner out there. It's pricey, but accurate enough to do intonation work......plus it has sweetened tunings built in and also tuning specific for Buzz Feiten tuning etc....

On the other end of the spectrum..... try the incredibly simple and small clip-on tuner: The Intellitouch PT-10. Senses vibration thru the headstock, not sound... so you can tune with others playing near you. The whole display turns from red to green when you achieve desired pitch...very cool.

I have both. The Strobostomp is on my pedalboard and what I gig with. I use the clip-on tuner for my acoustics, lapsteel.... anytime I don't want to plug into anything..... very convenient.
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Old October 26th, 2009, 06:14 AM   #29 (permalink)
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I like the bypass output on the TU-2 which is always left on since I have vol pedal post-tuner, I just roll that back to silent tune.
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what about the korg dt-10, very solid metal case and pretty accurate.
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I like the pitchblack, not in the last place because it feels very heavy and indestructible.
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Still using a Seiko ST-727 which I've had for an age, been looking at a pitchblack or maybe one of these for just under 40 squid from Imuso, true bypass blah blah:

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Forget about the Ibanez one - I tired one of those for a while: really bad tracking, quite a bit of lag between when you hit the string and when it shows the tuning; also, you absolutely have to mute all the strings before tuning the next string, as it won't track at all with even the smallest vibration from another string (unlike the Pitchblack).
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How about Digitech Hardwire HT-2? I'm more interested in that one....
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I must say the TU-1000 is the biggest waste of space, materials and working man hours. It must be designed for the geriatric rocker.
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I really like my Pitchblack, but haven't tried it outdoors. I know it would be a challenge because of the red LED & my red-green colorblindness, but inside it's great. If they made one with blue LEDs, it would be perfect.
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I'm a solid fan of the Strobostomp. I've had mine for, 3-4 years? now. Easy to see in sunlight, I can tune more quickly than with TU-2 style tuners; and so on. Expensive and worth it.

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I guess I'm the other person using a DigiTech Hardwire tuner. Tracks very quickly. Very accurate. And the display is exceptionally bright. We play a lot of outdoor festivals over the summer and it is bright enough to handle it.
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Forget about the Ibanez one - I tired one of those for a while: really bad tracking, quite a bit of lag between when you hit the string and when it shows the tuning; also, you absolutely have to mute all the strings before tuning the next string, as it won't track at all with even the smallest vibration from another string (unlike the Pitchblack).
I'll cross that one off the list then, thanks for the heads-up.
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Forgive me if I sound like the devil's advocate but I really don't understand the need for a tuner in the pedal chain.

I use a few pedals with no board so I can't justify it, but for those with pedalboards I could see including one if you've got the real estate.

Maybe I'm lucky...but my MIM Tele stays in tune pretty darn well in almost any situation.
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