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Old October 5th, 2009, 07:09 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Best Vox in a Box

I'm looking for a pedal that will give my DRRI a little Vox flavor. I'm mostly interestyed in the jangley clean/lo-gain od sounds and I'll be running into the front end of the amp. I know that a pedal can't make my Fender sound exactly like an AC30 but I'd like to get in the ballpark. I don't want to trade my Fender for a Vox or mod the amp in any way. I'm hoping to hear from folks who have ran the Carl Martin AC Tone, Menatone TBIAC, Tech 21 Liverpool or the Vox Over the Top Boost into the front end of an amp.
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Old October 5th, 2009, 07:13 PM   #2 (permalink)
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EDIT: nm....

I had asked, stupidly, if you've tried an OTTB but you have it listed there
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Old October 5th, 2009, 07:44 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I use the clean AC30 model, on my Zoom G2, and have been very happy with it. I mainly use the G2 pedal for Tape Echo and Tremelo. The G2 also gives you six band EQ, which allows you to bring out more of a Vox or Fender like sound.

The G2 also works as a Tuner, plus I carry it, in place of a backup amp. All modeling and effects can be turned off. It's become part of my normal set-up. Although I never use any of the preset models, the Beatles pre-set is pretty good.
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Old October 5th, 2009, 07:51 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I had asked, stupidly, if you've tried an OTTB but you have it listed there
I haven't had a chance to use any of the aformentioned pedals. Have you used the OTTB. If so, how was it?
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Old October 5th, 2009, 07:52 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I use the clean AC30 model, on my Zoom G2, and have been very happy with it. I mainly use the G2 pedal for Tape Echo and Tremelo. The G2 also gives you six band EQ, which allows you to bring out more of a Vox or Fender like sound.

The G2 also works as a Tuner, plus I carry it, in place of a backup amp. All modeling and effects can be turned off. It's become part of my set-up. Although I never use any of the preset models, The Beatles pre-set isn't bad.
Do you use the Zoom in the effects loop or into the amps input?
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Old October 5th, 2009, 08:00 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Do you use the Zoom in the effects loop or into the amps input?
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I use it into the amps input. My amps do have an effects loop. It's just easier to have the pedal at my feet (like a pedal board).

I normally use the channel switching on my amp, for overdrive. But I sometimes use the pedal with some Flange, for ZZ Top like distortion.
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Old October 5th, 2009, 08:09 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I use it into the amps input. My amps do have an effects loop. It's just easier to have the pedal at my feet (like a pedal board).

I normally use the channel switching on my amp, for overdrive. But I sometimes use the pedal with some Flange, for ZZ Top like distortion.
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Old October 6th, 2009, 06:59 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I would recommend trying the Menatone Shut Up and Drive overdrive pedal... it's very bright, smooth and Vox-like.
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Old October 6th, 2009, 06:59 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Well, I've got the OLC English Channel kit on order. I'll tell you once it's done. I was very impressed with the Vox-esque channel of the First Act 75 Watt amp I had for a while. They have a BHM (Brian May) version of the V-Stack and if it sounds like the Vox channel on that amp it would be a winner in my book.
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Old October 6th, 2009, 10:01 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Well, I've got the OLC English Channel kit on order. I'll tell you once it's done. I was very impressed with the Vox-esque channel of the First Act 75 Watt amp I had for a while. They have a BHM (Brian May) version of the V-Stack and if it sounds like the Vox channel on that amp it would be a winner in my book.
I'm really more interested in the clean/low gain sounds as opposed to the Brian May tones. The Tech 21 Liverpool sounds pretty versatile on the youtube clips but no one is running it into the input of an amp.
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Old October 7th, 2009, 10:40 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I'm really more interested in the clean/low gain sounds as opposed to the Brian May tones. The Tech 21 Liverpool sounds pretty versatile on the youtube clips but no one is running it into the input of an amp.
Well, running a clean pedal into an amp input isn't going to make any amp automatically sound like a Vox. You might have the same luck picking up any number of treble boosters in combination with a compressor. The First Act V-Stack Classic is actually a treble booster (controlled by the cut knob) and OD(controlled by the gain knob) with a wide range of tones from pure clean treble boost to thick OD and it reacts extremely well to volume knob changes. Here's a clip of it in action, I know it's way more Marshall and high gain than what you're looking for, but the intro part shows what the pedal is capable with the volume knob cut back a bit. Even the Classic gets Chimey...

http://www.frugalguitarist.com/Sound...CK_CLASSIC.mp3
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Old October 7th, 2009, 11:10 AM   #12 (permalink)
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maybe check out today's mf stupid deal of the day. vox cooltron pedal
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Old October 7th, 2009, 11:18 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Ditto. (actually started a similar thread before seeing yours)

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Old October 7th, 2009, 04:40 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Thanks Guys
I think I've narrowed it down to the Tech 21 Liverpool or the Vox Over the Top Boost. If anyone has run either of these pedals into a Fender Blackface style amp I'd like to hear from you.
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Old October 8th, 2009, 12:30 AM   #15 (permalink)
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I've used my Menatone TBIAC into my BFDR on many occasions to great effect (pun intentional.) Very effective (there I go again) EQ on the Menatone as well.
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Old October 8th, 2009, 05:42 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Hi Tweedtone
I'd like to have the Menatone but it's no longer being made so I'd have to find one on ebay. Also, price is a factor in my decision. Does the Menatone do the Beatles thing as well as the higher gain stuff?
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Old October 10th, 2009, 01:54 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Old October 10th, 2009, 02:01 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Menatone will reintroduce the amp-series pedals in Nov, apparently.

I have two TBIACs (6-knob/8-knob) and they are excellent, they don't play like pedals at all. I had the Carl Martin, which is more versatile but less tweakable tonally speaking.

Running into a DRRI - I would strongly recommend trying before buying, or at least get a pedal with a dedicated 'cut' knob if you are planning on running it into the vibrato channel with its fixed bright cap which easily turns OD pedals into buzz-boxes.

But the Menatone has an edge over the Tech21/Carl Martin with its responsiveness to guitar volume pot tweaks.
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Old October 10th, 2009, 02:22 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Thanks for the info Tjalla. Unfortunately, I've been unable to find any to try. I'm also wary of the Tech 21 due to the inability to turn the speaker sim off. Musicians friend had the Vox Cooltron Over the Top Boost on sale for $99 but now they are out of stock and have raised the price to $199 again. Maybe I should just wait till Nov. and try the Menatone. They seem to hold their resale value if I don't like it.
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Old October 14th, 2009, 07:35 AM   #20 (permalink)
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fwiw, the Tech21 blonde worked fine, speaker sim and all, into a DRRI.

ebay will have a couple Menatones used...
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Old October 14th, 2009, 10:24 AM   #21 (permalink)
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I just saw this forum post as today I was messing around with an OTTB. I've been very lucky to recently aquire a '64 blackface Super Reverb, which is great, but REALLY loud, so I've been going through my old pedals to see if I could find something that can give me a bit of dirt at lower volumes. This is the one that will make it to my board! I play country, blues and funk, so I wasn't after huge amounts of gain, and I wanted to get something that would just sound like a slightly cranked amp, but with more volume control, and this does it really well. I wouldn't say it makes the Super Reverb sound exactly like an AC30, but it gets a bit of that kind of vibe going, and I think it sounds good in it's own right. From what I remember it's a bit battery hungry though, so you need a power supply really... I'll be using it in the studio tomorrow, so I'll give you some more info after that if you're interested...
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Old October 14th, 2009, 06:19 PM   #22 (permalink)
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fingerssmith - perhaps give us some feedback specifically on how the Vox OTTB responds to guitar volume pot. Menatones excel here, while a few reviews claim the OTTB to be less than dynamic ie doesn't clean up all that well.
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Old October 15th, 2009, 11:13 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Thanks Tjalla and Fingersmith. I went ahead and ordered the Vox OTTB as Musicians Friend had them for $99. However, they are currently awaiting a new shipment so we'll see what happens. That's good news on the Tech 21. I've been impressed by what I'ver heard online so that might be another good option if the OTTB doesn't come in.
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Old October 16th, 2009, 06:05 AM   #24 (permalink)
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fingerssmith - perhaps give us some feedback specifically on how the Vox OTTB responds to guitar volume pot. Menatones excel here, while a few reviews claim the OTTB to be less than dynamic ie doesn't clean up all that well.
Well, I was only using it for a fairly low gain setting, to give a bit of crunch rather than full blown overdrive/distortion, but I thought it seemed to respond fairly well to picking and the volume pot, if that helps! I hope musicians friend get some back in stock for you soon Whoa Tele...
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Old October 16th, 2009, 08:39 AM   #25 (permalink)
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The Vox Tonelabs do a pretty good AC30 . . they come out of the same stable, of course.
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Old October 17th, 2009, 10:34 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I was playing with my strat through the OTTB yesterday and found out that the combination can get a bit too clangy and trebly with a bright amp (or with EQ set to "V"). It works great with my Epi Valve Jr which is dark-sounding by nature and lacks a tone pot. Worked well with my Classic 30 after I backed off on the amp's treble.

Sadly my SFPR is not working at the moment, so I wasn't able to test the pedal with a Fender-y sounding amp. I sure hope it will work with your DRRI. The pedal may probably give more bite to a semi-hollow guitar. ymmv
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Carl Martin AC Tone gets my vote every time !

That IS truely a "Vox-in-a-Box" !!!
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I was playing with my strat through the OTTB yesterday and found out that the combination can get a bit too clangy and trebly with a bright amp (or with EQ set to "V"). It works great with my Epi Valve Jr which is dark-sounding by nature and lacks a tone pot. Worked well with my Classic 30 after I backed off on the amp's treble.

Sadly my SFPR is not working at the moment, so I wasn't able to test the pedal with a Fender-y sounding amp. I sure hope it will work with your DRRI. The pedal may probably give more bite to a semi-hollow guitar. ymmv
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Hopefully they will get some more in at Musicians Friend but I've been told that Vox has discontinued the pedal.
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Carl Martin AC Tone gets my vote every time !

That IS truely a "Vox-in-a-Box" !!!
No doubt a great choice but a bit too expensive right now.
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No doubt a great choice but a bit too expensive right now.
No worries mate !

I thought it was on your short list of units to buy, seeing that you mentioned it in your 1st post.
It is the only Vox-in-a-Box that i tested, and it really blew me away !

I tried it through several amps, and it sounded perfect, even through the clean channel of a Marshall DSL50
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I was also on the lookout for an AC30 type pedal and ordered the Tech 21 Liverpool. I just tried it yesterday with my DRRI. I did not like it at all. I'm sending it back. You're best bet is to try and find one and hear it with your own ears and decide for yourself. I couldn't find one in any of the music stores around here so I had no choice but to order one online. I'll never do that again.
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No worries mate !

I thought it was on your short list of units to buy, seeing that you mentioned it in your 1st post.
It is the only Vox-in-a-Box that i tested, and it really blew me away !

I tried it through several amps, and it sounded perfect, even through the clean channel of a Marshall DSL50
You're right Sir Jack. My original post did list the AC Tone as a candidate. I guess I didn't research the price before I posted. I'll keep an eye out for a used one.
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Old October 22nd, 2009, 06:14 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Thanks for all the suggestions. Musicians Friend got the Vox OTTB back in stock for $99 so I went ahead and ordered one. Worst caseI can send it back. I'll let everyone know what the verdict is.
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wow, that's even cheaper than the US$130 equivalent I got mine for a couple of years ago!
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Old October 24th, 2009, 09:46 AM   #37 (permalink)
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I'll qualify this post by saying I've never had that much experience with Vox amps but lately I've been wanting some of that AC vibe without having to buy another amp. I decided to take a chance on the Vox Cooltron Over the Top Boost as MF is blowing them out for $99. I think this pedal may be the answer for me. It's inexpensive and seems to capture some of that shimmer/chime/sparkle that is characteristic of Vox amps. I know the Celestion Blue is essential but this gets close enough to the Beatles/Petty thing for me. I do find the pedal to be somewhat noisy and it also has a large footprint. Maybe a new tube would cut down the noise but overall this one's a keeper.
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MAN, I wish I had known about that OTTB blowout!

There are only a couple pedals I've ever liked enough to want a backup, and that's one of them. This pedal won't turn an amp into an AC30 (I know for sure; I have an AC30), but it can definitely add Vox-i-ness to a Fender.

Whoa Tele, you might want to try a new tube -- my pedal is really quiet.
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