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Old June 30th, 2009, 09:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Out of phase sound in a pedal

Is it possible to get an out of phase pickup sound out of a pedal?
Next time I restring my strat I think I'm wiring them back in phase, but it would be nice to emulate that sound when I get the urge.

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Old July 6th, 2009, 08:44 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Maybe an EQ or a fixed wah pedal could give you that nasal sound.
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Old July 6th, 2009, 09:29 PM   #3 (permalink)
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If it's a Strat you're using, there's already a little extra real estate on the pickguard. Why no wire up a phase switch to keep those out-of-phase sounds?

I'm too hungry to figure it out at the moment, but I promise you it's possible.

Now I go to find food, and then rewire my Tele.

Hmm. There's no emoticon for "hungry."
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Old July 6th, 2009, 11:35 PM   #4 (permalink)
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out of phase = quack?

Are you talking about what is refered to as the out of phase tones when using the neck / middle or middle / bridge pickups on a Strat, also called quack?
If so that is just the sound that the pickups make when used together due to the location of the pickups, they aren't really "out of phase", if you have 2 single coils truly out of phase it is a very thin nasal tone.

There are some pedals out there that are basically the same thing as the old Gibson Varitone, those can get a pretty cool tone that is similar but not the same.
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Old July 7th, 2009, 12:31 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Back in the '70's, a guy showed me a 'phase' pedal. Can't remember who made it, but there indeed was one.

As I remember, it was a combination volume and phase change pedal. you manuallyturned the foot pedal left and right to get the 'phasing' effect.

Never saw another one, though.
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Maybe one of the Rangemaster clones would do it for you.
Like a beano boost.
But only at low volume.
They have a different character when the amp distorts
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Old July 7th, 2009, 12:38 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Phase pedals operate by taking a copy of the guitar signal out of phase, then reversing.

it's all signal orientation. if the signals are all + - + - they're in phase.
once the signals have a + - - + relation they're out of phase,

it's just like having the red and negative wires on your home speakers wired "out of phase" by having one speaker have it's polarity opposite the other.

although perfectly out of phase their is no resulting signal. so for a pedal design you'd want to end up with at least a two knob pedal. (phase relation, and make up gain) so the circuit would go;

you could even have a mix knob if you wanted to.
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If the OP is talking about the nasally honk tone that's typical of many Peter Green songs then that was the result of his reversing the magnet in the neck pickup of his LP. That was truly an out of phase tone and is tonally different to the strat out of phase tone which isn't actually two pickups out of phase with one another.

I've read somewhere that pickups that are magnetically out of phase with one another sound different to those that are electrically out of phase. Not sure whether that's true or not - just something I read.

I got close to the Greeny tone with my wah wah pedal set in a particular spot of the sweep (at least it was close enough for my ears!).
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