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Synchro · June 23rd, 2009, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Hiker

Been playing a Digiverb pedal, here. This could be interesting, though. You have to take the demo vids with a grain of salt since they are recorded in all kinds of rooms, with a variety of mikes, amps, and other particulars...

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Originally Posted by ruger9

The Digiverb is great... my fave setting is "church" altho "spring" is a close 2nd. Lots of drip in the spring!! Hey, does your digiverb have a little bit of white noise (shhhhhhhhhhhh) when you turn it on?

The Digiverb samples I've heard sounded pretty decent. I was seriously thinking of getting one but as long as the Boss pedal is coming out I might as well wait and compare the two of them.

eddiewagner · June 23rd, 2009, 05:28 AM

i just found out that the pedal will be available at the end of july. i will give it a try, even though i promised that i will not buy any gear anymore. it is just tooooo tempting.

czech-one-2 · June 23rd, 2009, 06:33 AM

Eddie,I too have all the gear i need and vaguely seem to remember making the same promise
However........IMHO this is just too cool not to try.it looks COOL,sounds fine to me on youtube, and should be priced fairly.i've owned alot of reverbs over the years including some nice NOS'd fender outboard units.they do sound killer,but ever try playing on an outdoor festival stage with one? do you have time to suspend it in mid air ala dick dale? unless you play 100% instrumental surf or psycho-billy its hard to justify lugging a fragile stand alone unit around. [but i still want another one someday]. so my hopes and anticipation are high for the end of july.

nothing will equal the real thing,not even a Radical Red hardwired spring chicken-zilla
so have realistic expectations folks,ok?
Me? i just want it to get in the ballpark!

eddiewagner · June 23rd, 2009, 10:22 AM

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
that is one cool video. just showed it to my wife/drummer and she agreed that i need that reverb-pedal, if it vaguely sounds like that. the boss-guys really shot themselves in the knee with that uninspired video. i can not think that it is totally impossible to get the sound out of a stompbox. i listened to the demo of the digitech hardwire and they are already pretty close. if it comes close to the sound that my pod-farm produces with the reverb tank model, i will be happy surf-camper. i am positive, that the pedal will be a killer application for the retro-twanger.

Uma Floresta · June 23rd, 2009, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Synchro

The Digiverb samples I've heard sounded pretty decent. I was seriously thinking of getting one but as long as the Boss pedal is coming out I might as well wait and compare the two of them.

I used to own the Digiverb - it's pretty decent, with several good sounding settings in it.

Uma Floresta · June 23rd, 2009, 10:44 AM

Here's a clip of the Amplitube Fender simulation of the 63 reverb - by far the most realistic digital sim I've heard.

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7728405

fezz parka · June 23rd, 2009, 01:37 PM

Well...I'm with Wally. It doesn't sound like tube reverb to me. But... the only thing that matters is if it sounds good to you.

czech-one-2 · June 23rd, 2009, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by fezz parka

well...i'm with wally. It doesn't sound like tube reverb to me. But... The only thing that matters is if it sounds good to you.

its not available yet,i dont know how it sounds

eddiewagner · June 24th, 2009, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Uma Floresta

Here's a clip of the Amplitube Fender simulation of the 63 reverb .

hi uma, i am positively hoping, that the good folks at boss will be able to stuff that sound into a little box.

czech-one-2 · June 24th, 2009, 03:08 PM

eddie,you guys are like the whitestripes of german twang!
must be cool to have a wife that knows you need a reverb pedal!

Uma Floresta · June 24th, 2009, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by eddiewagner

hi uma, i am positively hoping, that the good folks at boss will be able to stuff that sound into a little box.

I would be first in line to buy it!

Synchro · June 24th, 2009, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Uma Floresta

I would be first in line to buy it!

Right behind me. :)

eddiewagner · June 25th, 2009, 05:20 AM

we all have to wait until the end of july. meanwhile i am whipping out surflicks with podfarm......

tweedtone · June 26th, 2009, 03:14 PM

I use a reissue Reverb Unit and just bought a Spring Chicken for situations where the Reverb Unit is not feasible. Nothing beats the sound of the real thing but sometimes, it's just not practical, particularly on a small stage with a drummer that's got a lead foot. I'll definitely be checking this pedal out ASAP!

mistermullens · July 5th, 2009, 12:12 AM

Sweetwater has it on their site for $130 and arriving in July.

Synchro · July 5th, 2009, 01:52 AM

I got one off of "the Bay" for $100 plus shipping. It said used but it appeared to have never been opened. The sound is great, a very useful overdrive and nice trem. The reverb is great up to about 3.5 or 4 where it starts to glitch from time to time.

jh45gun · July 5th, 2009, 01:53 AM

Well if I had not just gotten a Fender amp with Reverb (PA 100 ) I would have said that the reverb pedals they make today sound pretty good I thought my Digitech ones did until I heard my amps reverb. while the pedals maybe can do a decent job of replicating it they do not nail it. Its been since the mid 90's since I played a Fender amp with Reverb my last Fender Tube amp was a Super Reverb. Should have never traded it in but I did for a new Classic Chourus Peavey 2x12. Nice amp but I know now I should have kept the Fender got it fixed up and bought some pedals. This PA 100 I will never get rid of.

eddiewagner · July 5th, 2009, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Synchro

The sound is great, a very useful overdrive and nice trem. The reverb is great up to about 3.5 or 4 where it starts to glitch from time to time.

sorry synchro, wrong pedal......

Synchro · July 5th, 2009, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by eddiewagner

sorry synchro, wrong pedal......

My mistake. I had been in another online discussion of this pedal that sidetracked into the idea of using the Boss FDR-1 as a reverb pedal. The FDR-1 is a great pedal but the reverb, IMO, just doesn't add all that much. It sort of craps out at about 4 on the dial.

davebelcher98 · July 5th, 2009, 12:30 PM

Has anyone here played the Line 6 Verbzilla model of a 63 reverb? In my mind, the A/B to see the winner for best digital model of a tube reverb would have to be between not the Digitech and the Fender but the Fender and the Line 6. Say what you will about some of Line 6's products, but the Verbzilla is one of the best on the market for realistic sounding reverbs. I for one find the 63 sound on the Verbzilla very convincing and use it a lot (as my reverb tank is shot on one amp, and a bad tube right now on another I've yet to replace). My two cents.

dave b

Verne Bunsen · July 5th, 2009, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by NewGuy410

I've thought about getting a Holy Grail, but for every good review I find about it, there's a bad review saying how noisy it is.

Well, I'll give you one more of each, I picked up a Holy Grail a few months back and I found the reverb just dazzling. It had exactly the sound I was after. But it was so damned noisy that I wound up selling it, the hum just couldn't be ignored, tragic! I am intrigued by this pedal though, as I still have a gap on my board where a reverb should be. Looking forward to my next trip to ye olde guitar store...

eddiewagner · July 5th, 2009, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Synchro

The FDR-1 is a great pedal but the reverb, IMO, just doesn't add all that much. It sort of craps out at about 4 on the dial.

which is the end of that pedal´s career as a surf-machine....
i can hardly stand to wait until early august, when the 63-pedal will be available. i even placed an order at the good folks at thomann.de, to send as soon as possible.

Synchro · July 5th, 2009, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by eddiewagner

which is the end of that pedal´s career as a surf-machine....
i can hardly stand to wait until early august, when the 63-pedal will be available. i even placed an order at the good folks at thomann.de, to send as soon as possible.

It probably is a nice way to flesh out the reverb of an amp slightly but that's about it. Quite disappointing IMO because the amp that it's emulating has one of the best built-in reverbs I've ever heard.

czech-one-2 · July 5th, 2009, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by eddiewagner

which is the end of that pedal´s career as a surf-machine....
i can hardly stand to wait until early august, when the 63-pedal will be available. i even placed an order at the good folks at thomann.de, to send as soon as possible.

I'm with you! i cant remember anxiously awaiting the release of a new Boss pedal.....................EVER!

Chris Clemens · July 5th, 2009, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by czech-one-2

holy crap,here we go again

;) that's what I thought...

Synchro · July 5th, 2009, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by czech-one-2

Sorry Wally,Barney was really more for those folks at the surf guitar forum,as they are a bunch of barneys if they have drawn a firm conclusion on a pedal that has yet to be available to the general public.

I belong to the SurfGuitar 101 forum and most of the guys there are great fellows. There is a very strong adoration for external reverb tanks among the Surf 101 crowd and I think that they've seen plenty of other products come and go without ever knocking the external tank from its place in Surf music. I'd love an external tank myself but I'm also trying to keep my gear down to a manageable size. As it is, by the time I have everything I need for a gig the bed of my mid-sized pickup is pretty full.

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Originally Posted by eddiewagner

which is the end of that pedal´s career as a surf-machine....
i can hardly stand to wait until early august, when the 63-pedal will be available. i even placed an order at the good folks at thomann.de, to send as soon as possible.

I have first right to the first one that comes in at the music store I do biz with. I'm certain that I'll end up at least buying and trying.

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Originally Posted by czech-one-2

I'm with you! i cant remember anxiously awaiting the release of a new Boss pedal.....................EVER!

They've done some interesting things lately. The RE-20 impresses me and remains on my board. The two Fender pedals seem pretty well done. The reverb on the Dr pedal may not be strong but the overdrive is one of the best I've ever heard. Their lower-priced multi-effects pedals, the ME-50 and its replacement the ME-70 are great bargains. I'll be very curious to see the FRV-1 in person.

czech-one-2 · July 5th, 2009, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Clemens

;) that's what I thought...

I was expressing my frustration of yet another pedal purchase in my near future,and i really felt good about finally having all the tools in my arsenal that i need.
therefore..........

'Holy crap,here we go again.'

seriously this is kinda funny,i'm selling some pedals to fund the purchase of this Boss FRV-1 and I havn't really heard it yet!
That is a first for me in 20+ years.

Bill · July 7th, 2009, 02:25 AM

In the for-what-it's-worth department, I have a '64 reverb unit. I've also listened to the demo over on Boss's website of the '63 Reverb Unit pedal. Since Boss created this demo, I assume they feel it's a fair representation of what the pedal sounds like. I think the guitarist was right when he said it gave "the flavor" of the reverb unit.

It does not sound like an actual reverb unit to me. The pedal sounds thinner, harsher, less-detailed, less rich, and less dimensional. A bit hard to explain in words, but pretty obvious if you had the actual unit and the pedal side by side.

I don't think I have sensitive ears for this kind of stuff, just that the difference between the pedal and the actual reverb unit is pretty substantial from what I'm hearing in the demo.

I think listening to that old, low-fidelity recording of the Chantays and then listening to the Boss demo can give you an idea of what I mean. There's just a lot more going on in the actual reverb unit even given the iffy 60's-TV-to-youtube recording quality of the Chantays.

And I don't think I'm being priggy, that it has to be original and expensive to be good. One of my favorite guitars is a $70 Squier Bullet Strat.

But I think more important will be when people who own a standalone Fender Reverb unit are able to A/B it with the Boss pedal version. I look forward to those reviews.

czech-one-2 · July 7th, 2009, 04:41 AM

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But I think more important will be when people who own a standalone Fender Reverb unit are able to A/B it with the Boss pedal version. I look forward to those reviews.

I'm honestly not expecting a miracle,or for this little moddeling pedal to go head to head with a 6v6 equiped stand alone reverb unit.
I do expect it to blow away any digital reverb pedal to date,but that is being optimistic.

eddiewagner · July 7th, 2009, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by czech-one-2

i cant remember anxiously awaiting the release of a new Boss pedal.....................EVER!

me too. never waited for a pedal to hit the market. in the meantime i am setting up my strat with heavy strings a la dick dale. even making up songtitles for the "soon to have in the house"-surfsound. i will be ready for the great day. it is like the calm before the storm.......

backalleyblues · July 7th, 2009, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by czech-one-2

Eddie,I too have all the gear i need and vaguely seem to remember making the same promise
However........IMHO this is just too cool not to try.it looks COOL,sounds fine to me on youtube, and should be priced fairly.i've owned alot of reverbs over the years including some nice NOS'd fender outboard units.they do sound killer,but ever try playing on an outdoor festival stage with one? do you have time to suspend it in mid air ala dick dale? unless you play 100% instrumental surf or psycho-billy its hard to justify lugging a fragile stand alone unit around. [but i still want another one someday]. so my hopes and anticipation are high for the end of july.

nothing will equal the real thing,not even a Radical Red hardwired spring chicken-zilla
so have realistic expectations folks,ok?
Me? i just want it to get in the ballpark!

Did anyone notice the horn player sitting behind the keyboard player, twiddling his thumbs @ 2:10? Priceless...

Noticeably big and warm sounding reverb on that track, if the Boss unit can get anywhere near that, they'll have a winner...

Franc Robert

Franc Robert

czech-one-2 · July 7th, 2009, 02:47 PM

more dripping springs!
check the Fender promo shot,longboarding with a JAZZMASTER !
SURFS UP!

CLASSIC!

ksks · July 7th, 2009, 04:34 PM

Someone mentioned "The Surf Forum" a little higher up on this thread. Can someone provide a link or URL to this forum?

Uma Floresta · July 7th, 2009, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ksks

Someone mentioned "The Surf Forum" a little higher up on this thread. Can someone provide a link or URL to this forum?

http://www.surfguitar101.com/

eddiewagner · July 8th, 2009, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Uma Floresta

http://www.surfguitar101.com/

that is a dangerous place! they don´t respect the telecaster, they play fenderstacks and have huge reverb units. there are jaguars out there. beware good folks!

Uma Floresta · July 8th, 2009, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by eddiewagner

that is a dangerous place! they don´t respect the telecaster, they play fenderstacks and have huge reverb units. there are jaguars out there. beware good folks!

Yes, they're Tele-phobic there. Not sure why - any single coil guitar with a trem makes for a good surf machine. My main surf guitar is a Bigsby'd Tele, and it sounds very surfy with flatwounds.

Synchro · July 8th, 2009, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Uma Floresta

Yes, they're Tele-phobic there. Not sure why - any single coil guitar with a trem makes for a good surf machine. My main surf guitar is a Bigsby'd Tele, and it sounds very surfy with flatwounds.

Amazingly, my Custom Tele FMT HH (which has at least as much in common with a Les Paul as it does with a Tele) gets the best Surf sounds of all my guitars. If it had a vibrato tailpiece there'd be no stopping it.

It has a push-pull pot that lets you select HB or single coil mode. In single coil mode with both pickups on it sounds similar to a Jaguar.

eddiewagner · July 11th, 2009, 09:03 AM

still waiting. now the date of shipment is end of august. grrrrrr......
meanwhile i wonder, if the dwell-knob will add a tiny bit of overdrive. that would be too cool.

czech-one-2 · July 24th, 2009, 05:16 PM

ok,getting a little impatient here!

ruger9 · July 24th, 2009, 09:47 PM

yeah, Sweetwater now says "Boss has informed us of unusually long shipping delays"...

June 23rd, 2009, 05:28 AM	#42 (permalink)
eddiewagner Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: ROCK!linghausen/germany Age: 50 Posts: 5,096 27 Photos	i just found out that the pedal will be available at the end of july. i will give it a try, even though i promised that i will not buy any gear anymore. it is just tooooo tempting. __________________ My Drum/Guitar-Duo: www.myspace.com/captaintwangandhisrhythmcat

June 23rd, 2009, 06:33 AM	#43 (permalink)
czech-one-2 Tele-Meister Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Prague via So. Cal Posts: 289	Eddie,I too have all the gear i need and vaguely seem to remember making the same promise However........IMHO this is just too cool not to try.it looks COOL,sounds fine to me on youtube, and should be priced fairly.i've owned alot of reverbs over the years including some nice NOS'd fender outboard units.they do sound killer,but ever try playing on an outdoor festival stage with one? do you have time to suspend it in mid air ala dick dale? unless you play 100% instrumental surf or psycho-billy its hard to justify lugging a fragile stand alone unit around. [but i still want another one someday]. so my hopes and anticipation are high for the end of july. nothing will equal the real thing,not even a Radical Red hardwired spring chicken-zilla so have realistic expectations folks,ok? Me? i just want it to get in the ballpark! Last edited by czech-one-2; June 23rd, 2009 at 01:32 PM.

June 23rd, 2009, 10:22 AM	#44 (permalink)
eddiewagner Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: ROCK!linghausen/germany Age: 50 Posts: 5,096 27 Photos	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ that is one cool video. just showed it to my wife/drummer and she agreed that i need that reverb-pedal, if it vaguely sounds like that. the boss-guys really shot themselves in the knee with that uninspired video. i can not think that it is totally impossible to get the sound out of a stompbox. i listened to the demo of the digitech hardwire and they are already pretty close. if it comes close to the sound that my pod-farm produces with the reverb tank model, i will be happy surf-camper. i am positive, that the pedal will be a killer application for the retro-twanger. __________________ My Drum/Guitar-Duo: www.myspace.com/captaintwangandhisrhythmcat

June 23rd, 2009, 10:44 AM	#46 (permalink)
Uma Floresta Tele-Meister Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Chicago Posts: 217	Here's a clip of the Amplitube Fender simulation of the 63 reverb - by far the most realistic digital sim I've heard. http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7728405 __________________ Music: www.soundclick.com/thedeadranchhands www.myspace.com/thedeadranchhands www.myspace.com/umaflorestamusic

June 24th, 2009, 03:08 PM	#50 (permalink)
czech-one-2 Tele-Meister Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Prague via So. Cal Posts: 289	eddie,you guys are like the whitestripes of german twang! must be cool to have a wife that knows you need a reverb pedal! Last edited by czech-one-2; June 25th, 2009 at 06:55 AM.

June 23rd, 2009, 01:37 PM	#47 (permalink)
fezz parka Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: A town south of Bakersfield... Posts: 1,676 47 Photos	Well...I'm with Wally. It doesn't sound like tube reverb to me. But... the only thing that matters is if it sounds good to you.

June 25th, 2009, 05:20 AM	#53 (permalink)
eddiewagner Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: ROCK!linghausen/germany Age: 50 Posts: 5,096 27 Photos	we all have to wait until the end of july. meanwhile i am whipping out surflicks with podfarm...... __________________ My Drum/Guitar-Duo: www.myspace.com/captaintwangandhisrhythmcat

June 26th, 2009, 03:14 PM	#54 (permalink)
tweedtone Tele-Holic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Tampa Bay, FL Age: 43 Posts: 772	I use a reissue Reverb Unit and just bought a Spring Chicken for situations where the Reverb Unit is not feasible. Nothing beats the sound of the real thing but sometimes, it's just not practical, particularly on a small stage with a drummer that's got a lead foot. I'll definitely be checking this pedal out ASAP!

July 5th, 2009, 12:12 AM	#55 (permalink)
mistermullens Friend of Leo's Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Atlanta Age: 32 Posts: 3,600 36 Photos	Sweetwater has it on their site for $130 and arriving in July. __________________ Jonathan ReverbNation Twitter Teles & Esquires

July 5th, 2009, 01:52 AM	#56 (permalink)
Synchro Tele-Meister Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Tucson, AZ. Age: 55 Posts: 361	I got one off of "the Bay" for $100 plus shipping. It said used but it appeared to have never been opened. The sound is great, a very useful overdrive and nice trem. The reverb is great up to about 3.5 or 4 where it starts to glitch from time to time. __________________ Synchro; My Guitar Website "The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing; if you can fake that, you've got it made" -- Groucho Marx

July 5th, 2009, 01:53 AM	#57 (permalink)
jh45gun Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,968	Well if I had not just gotten a Fender amp with Reverb (PA 100 ) I would have said that the reverb pedals they make today sound pretty good I thought my Digitech ones did until I heard my amps reverb. while the pedals maybe can do a decent job of replicating it they do not nail it. Its been since the mid 90's since I played a Fender amp with Reverb my last Fender Tube amp was a Super Reverb. Should have never traded it in but I did for a new Classic Chourus Peavey 2x12. Nice amp but I know now I should have kept the Fender got it fixed up and bought some pedals. This PA 100 I will never get rid of.

July 5th, 2009, 12:30 PM	#60 (permalink)
davebelcher98 TDPRI Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Ft. Wayne, IN Age: 29 Posts: 88	Has anyone here played the Line 6 Verbzilla model of a 63 reverb? In my mind, the A/B to see the winner for best digital model of a tube reverb would have to be between not the Digitech and the Fender but the Fender and the Line 6. Say what you will about some of Line 6's products, but the Verbzilla is one of the best on the market for realistic sounding reverbs. I for one find the 63 sound on the Verbzilla very convincing and use it a lot (as my reverb tank is shot on one amp, and a bad tube right now on another I've yet to replace). My two cents. dave b

July 7th, 2009, 02:25 AM	#68 (permalink)
Bill Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bay Area, California Posts: 3,181 67 Photos	In the for-what-it's-worth department, I have a '64 reverb unit. I've also listened to the demo over on Boss's website of the '63 Reverb Unit pedal. Since Boss created this demo, I assume they feel it's a fair representation of what the pedal sounds like. I think the guitarist was right when he said it gave "the flavor" of the reverb unit. It does not sound like an actual reverb unit to me. The pedal sounds thinner, harsher, less-detailed, less rich, and less dimensional. A bit hard to explain in words, but pretty obvious if you had the actual unit and the pedal side by side. I don't think I have sensitive ears for this kind of stuff, just that the difference between the pedal and the actual reverb unit is pretty substantial from what I'm hearing in the demo. I think listening to that old, low-fidelity recording of the Chantays and then listening to the Boss demo can give you an idea of what I mean. There's just a lot more going on in the actual reverb unit even given the iffy 60's-TV-to-youtube recording quality of the Chantays. And I don't think I'm being priggy, that it has to be original and expensive to be good. One of my favorite guitars is a $70 Squier Bullet Strat. But I think more important will be when people who own a standalone Fender Reverb unit are able to A/B it with the Boss pedal version. I look forward to those reviews. __________________ B i l l B a e c k WilliamBaeck.com

July 7th, 2009, 02:47 PM	#72 (permalink)
czech-one-2 Tele-Meister Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Prague via So. Cal Posts: 289	more dripping springs! check the Fender promo shot,longboarding with a JAZZMASTER ! SURFS UP! CLASSIC!

July 7th, 2009, 04:34 PM	#73 (permalink)
ksks TDPRI Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: usa Posts: 50	Someone mentioned "The Surf Forum" a little higher up on this thread. Can someone provide a link or URL to this forum?

July 11th, 2009, 09:03 AM	#78 (permalink)
eddiewagner Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: ROCK!linghausen/germany Age: 50 Posts: 5,096 27 Photos	still waiting. now the date of shipment is end of august. grrrrrr...... meanwhile i wonder, if the dwell-knob will add a tiny bit of overdrive. that would be too cool. __________________ My Drum/Guitar-Duo: www.myspace.com/captaintwangandhisrhythmcat

July 24th, 2009, 05:16 PM	#79 (permalink)
czech-one-2 Tele-Meister Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Prague via So. Cal Posts: 289	ok,getting a little impatient here!

July 24th, 2009, 09:47 PM	#80 (permalink)
ruger9 Friend of Leo's Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hackettstown, NJ Posts: 2,051	yeah, Sweetwater now says "Boss has informed us of unusually long shipping delays"... __________________ "I've got callouses, from all those nights, spent playin' a Telecaster, 'till my fingers bled Bud Light" - Travis Tritt

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