How to get that sound?

[ttl100]

What effects I need to get that solo on "Let it be" by The Beatles and "It's hard to make a stand" by Sheryl Crow (acoustic intro version)? Both have the same type of effect. It can't be using an overdriver + phaser right? Please shed the light. Thanks!

[Pinball_Wizard]

For Let it be;

A dimed amplifier (you'll have to at least max out the mids knob.)

And I'd say a good chorus, but a phaser would work just as well for that song.
In that sense I'd say think about which effect would be more versatile for your style; phaser or chorus.

[tele salivas]

Phase SHIFTER effect

[Wayne Alexander]

The actual effect used on Let It Be was a Leslie, which is a rotating speaker, fed off a Blackface or Silverface Fender amp (a big one, like a Twin or Super). Some Chorus pedals can get you into the general tonal ballpark - one of those is the Fulltone Choralflange for instance, but you need an actual Leslie, or one of the Leslie-simulation pedals like a Hughes & Kettner Tube Rotosphere (used stereo with two amps) to nail the Leslie effect precisely.

[E5RSY]

It's probably a Fender Vibratone. When CBS bought Leslie in the '60s, they created a speaker unit with a rotating baffle, as opposed to the Leslie's spinning speaker. It was designed specifically for guitar, unlike the old wooden Leslies. Very cool if you can find one. My Marshall Supervibe Chorus nails it pretty well, as do many of the "vibe" stompboxes. SRV and brother Jimmie also used them to good effect. http://www.nmia.com/~vrbass/vibratone/

[ttl100]

The cab is not my cup of tea. I'm looking for a small pedal which can do the job. The HK Tube Rotosphere is sure impressive but it's too expensive.

Recently I discovered on youtube the Line 6 Roto-machine does quite a decent job as well. Just wondering if there are other brands out there which could be within my budget of say $120. I wonder why my BYOC Script Phaser can't do it ...????

[nosuch]

isn't there a dano pedal real cheap? maybe out of production but available in eBay?

[John Thigpen]

Lots of guitarists feel the best Leslie "emulator" is the Arion SCH-1 chorus from the 80's or 90's. They replaced it with the SCH-Z, which can be bought new, but supposedly does not do the Leslie as well. The originals usually run about $100 on eBay. I don't have one, but I've read a lot about them being the best chorus at emulating a Leslie.

John

[sacizob]

Also, George used a tele on that solo.

[badmelonfarmer]

there are quite a few boxes out there that will get you that rotary speaker sound, some random ones in a brain dump....

Line 6 Pod XT / X3's have them
Line 6 Roto machne
Digitech EX-7
Eventide ModFactor (out of price range)

these are specific models of rotarys, but there are others things that will give you that vibe, like others say.

some chorus and phase pedals can get close, specifically some of the OTT ones .. .. Electoharmonix small stone .. I am thinking.

I guess it depends what you already have in your pedal collection and what you are looking for in the future.

Digitech Ex-7 is an interesting pedal as it does a couple of rotary sounds real well as well as a lot of other things. you can pick them up used for the sort of money you are talking (at least in the UK)

Cheers

BMF

[TB72]

Originally Posted by ttl100

I wonder why my BYOC Script Phaser can't do it ...????

If you're looking for that sound from BYOC, try their analog chorus. It gets some nice faux-Leslie sounds with the speed set fairly high, and the depth about a quarter of the way up.

Later...

[getbent]

Originally Posted by ttl100

The cab is not my cup of tea. I'm looking for a small pedal which can do the job. The HK Tube Rotosphere is sure impressive but it's too expensive.

Recently I discovered on youtube the Line 6 Roto-machine does quite a decent job as well. Just wondering if there are other brands out there which could be within my budget of say $120. I wonder why my BYOC Script Phaser can't do it ...????

uhhhhhh, if you want that sound. the vibratone it is. You can try a microvibe or a rotosphere... there are many nice pedals... none get the sound of a vibratone.... the leslie thing is just something to behold in person....

I'd imagine Eugene Dunn will be by to testify. I have a vibratone and man... what a sound! even better than the record.... the pedal... yeah... okay...

pedal : vibratone
blowup doll : Marilyn Monroe

[klasaine]

If you're 'cranking' through a tube amp - enough to get not only power amp distortion but also speaker stress and a bit of cabinet resonance (very important in the Leslie sound) - a chorus will get you a pretty good faux Leslie (or Vibratone) tone.
If you're not 'cranking up' this will get you very close ...
http://www.option5-online.com/option5.html
This is the 'bomb' fake Leslie pedal. It is unfortunately a little pricey ... though way cheaper, lighter and smaller than any rotating cab.

[beep.click]

Originally Posted by ttl100

It can't be using an overdriver + phaser right?

It was a phaser... set to stun. Yes, the Beatles were ahead of their times, in many ways.



Seriously, sadly -- once you've sat in the same room with a guitar played through an actual Leslie -- no emulation sounds right. My friend recently started restoring/building them; it's a sound like nothing else!

[nosuch]

Originally Posted by sacizob

Also, George used a tele on that solo.

what else?
;-)

personally I think a phaser can bring you pretty near - even better combined with chorus or/and tremolo. rotary speaker is a combination of doppler effects (pitch-shift, chorus vibrato) phasing and volume modulation (tremolo). getbent is right, the REAL experience is a rotation speaker in a room. the reflections from the walls add to a very rich and complex sound that can not be perfectly duplicated by a pedal. that is also only partly translated to the record, there's at least one dimension missing in a stereo recording. so a pedal in reverse can bring you near the sound you hear on the record. got the idea?


one more idea: if you don't want to use a pedal you can also do a very strong finger vibrato to give your audience an idea of that sound.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-WsiGGQLso
from 1:15

cheers

[nosuch]

have a look at that product (sorry, german copy)
http://www.reussenzehn.de/roehrenver...d=264&Grp_id=6

[ttl100]

Just browse youtube. Hmmmm ....... I find the Line6 Roto-machine nailed the "Let it Be" solo effect better than the Digitech EX-7.

The Arion SCH-1 did not have that Leslie sound but it's a very unique and very usable effect to build on. Very nice indeed.

[thirstnhowl]

Originally Posted by E5RSY

It's probably a Fender Vibratone. When CBS bought Leslie in the '60s, they created a speaker unit with a rotating baffle, as opposed to the Leslie's spinning speaker. It was designed specifically for guitar, unlike the old wooden Leslies. Very cool if you can find one. My Marshall Supervibe Chorus nails it pretty well, as do many of the "vibe" stompboxes. SRV and brother Jimmie also used them to good effect. http://www.nmia.com/~vrbass/vibratone/

http://www.myspace.com/493916098

[xjazzy]

You have the danelectro rocky road pedal for a cheap solution.