5E3 Jumpered channel effects?

uniphasian · July 29th, 2008, 07:23 PM

Reading the thread about 5E3 interactive controls got me wondering about channel jumpering.

I'm familiar with jumpering the channels on a 5E3, but has anyone run the jumper cable through their pedal board? Just imagine the jumper cable with the pedal board inserted in the middle of it.

My board has a TU-2 that I run bypassed. Kicking the tuner on would break the signal to the jumpered channel and would allow me to switch between jumpered and non-jumpered.

Also I could engage any pedal to use in the jumpered mode.

zeeman · July 29th, 2008, 10:45 PM

I've run a delay and a phase 90 that way to great effect. The delay is smoother and overall sounds better to me. Very reminiscent of an effects loop. In the end though it was a little too much hassle so I just went back to running the whole pedal board in front.

uniphasian · July 30th, 2008, 12:20 AM

I tried it out tonight and got some good early results. By adjusting the volumes for each channel, I was able to adjust the mix between the jumpered effects sound with the clean sound.

woodman · July 30th, 2008, 09:48 AM

sounds intriguing -- i might try it. sounds like, for all practical purposes, the tuner pedal could act as a clean boost! (or as clean as a 5E3 gets. ;-)

Zenotal · July 30th, 2008, 12:16 PM

Hmmmm...what is the exact signal path of a normal jumper setup? Been wanting to jumper my 5E3 but not sure exactly how.

And how would I put my effects in the middle?

woodman · July 30th, 2008, 12:21 PM

if you normally run into bright 1, you'd run your fx into normal 1 with the output into bright 2, if i understand correctly. does that sound right, you guys who've tried it?

uniphasian · July 30th, 2008, 12:37 PM

If my guitar was input into Bright 1, I run a line to the input of my pedal board from Bright 2. The output from my board goes into Normal 1. Are we saying the same thing, Woodman?

teleamp · July 30th, 2008, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zenotal

Hmmmm...what is the exact signal path of a normal jumper setup? Been wanting to jumper my 5E3 but not sure exactly how.

And how would I put my effects in the middle?

Just plug one end of an instrument cable into the unused jack of the channel you are plugged into, and the other end into one of the other channels inputs.

Personally, I don't care for it because it is splitting the available incoming signal and dividing it between the two channels (robbing Peter to pay Paul). Internally jumping the channels at V1 will make a bigger impact IMHO.

If you want to use it as a loop, then do as above...for instance, plug you guitar into the #1 input of the instrument channel then a patch cable from the inst. #2 to the input of your pedal, then go from the pedal output to the mic input. The inst. channel is your "dry" channel and the mic channel is your "wet" channel.

Zenotal · July 30th, 2008, 01:00 PM

"Internally jumping the channels at V1 will make a bigger impact IMHO"

What is this, and how do you do it?

I've also heard you can set the amp so that the Inst channel is dirty, and the Mic channel is (relatively) clean. This works the same way as jumpering?

Thanks for all the replies.

telel6s · July 30th, 2008, 01:42 PM

I played around with this when I had my Mission Amps 5E3. Using things like a delay or chorus pedal, you could get some different feel to the wet/dry blend when compared to just using the blend or level knob on the particular pedal.

The downside is then adjusting that wet/dry blend would change up your gain and tonal response. So if you had a delay that you wanted in the background for ambiance on some songs but with an upfront slapback for some rockabilly, it would be tough to adjust that on the fly. Ultimately, I just stuck everything between the guitar and amp. But play with it and if it works for you that's what matters. Good sounds to be had but I just found it not worth it in the long run.

One thing I should have tried (sold the 5E3 a ways back) would have been to stick a wah pedal in between the channels. I use wah more for rhythm than lead and it might have been cool to have that blended with a dry sound. Oh well.

aberrant · July 30th, 2008, 05:04 PM

Great thread....

Paul in Colorado · July 30th, 2008, 06:17 PM

I often stick a delay and/or reverb between the channels of my Traynor Bassmaster, but I never thought of doing it with my whole pedalboard. Now you got me thinkin'...

JohnnyCrash · July 30th, 2008, 07:07 PM

I have an old digital Delay pedal that has a bit of harshness on the repeats. This is a great idea for warming that up. Maybe now I can get a decent '50s slapback sound now.

Good thread!

July 29th, 2008, 07:23 PM	#1 (permalink)
uniphasian Tele-Meister Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Denver, CO Age: 48 Posts: 172	5E3 Jumpered channel effects? Reading the thread about 5E3 interactive controls got me wondering about channel jumpering. I'm familiar with jumpering the channels on a 5E3, but has anyone run the jumper cable through their pedal board? Just imagine the jumper cable with the pedal board inserted in the middle of it. My board has a TU-2 that I run bypassed. Kicking the tuner on would break the signal to the jumpered channel and would allow me to switch between jumpered and non-jumpered. Also I could engage any pedal to use in the jumpered mode. __________________ - Uni

July 30th, 2008, 12:20 AM	#3 (permalink)
uniphasian Tele-Meister Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Denver, CO Age: 48 Posts: 172	I tried it out tonight and got some good early results. By adjusting the volumes for each channel, I was able to adjust the mix between the jumpered effects sound with the clean sound. __________________ - Uni

July 30th, 2008, 09:48 AM	#4 (permalink)
woodman Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mint Hill, NC Age: 63 Posts: 6,244	sounds intriguing -- i might try it. sounds like, for all practical purposes, the tuner pedal could act as a clean boost! (or as clean as a 5E3 gets. ;-) __________________ Truth is stranger than fact ... www.myspace.com/woodymitchellmusic BAND PAGES: www.myspace.com/stragglerswing (Stragglers - Western Swing) www.myspace.com/loafersgloryband (Loafers Glory - '70s country-rock)

July 30th, 2008, 12:21 PM	#6 (permalink)
woodman Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mint Hill, NC Age: 63 Posts: 6,244	if you normally run into bright 1, you'd run your fx into normal 1 with the output into bright 2, if i understand correctly. does that sound right, you guys who've tried it? __________________ Truth is stranger than fact ... www.myspace.com/woodymitchellmusic BAND PAGES: www.myspace.com/stragglerswing (Stragglers - Western Swing) www.myspace.com/loafersgloryband (Loafers Glory - '70s country-rock)

July 30th, 2008, 12:37 PM	#7 (permalink)
uniphasian Tele-Meister Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Denver, CO Age: 48 Posts: 172	If my guitar was input into Bright 1, I run a line to the input of my pedal board from Bright 2. The output from my board goes into Normal 1. Are we saying the same thing, Woodman? __________________ - Uni

July 29th, 2008, 10:45 PM	#2 (permalink)
zeeman Tele-Meister Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 332 5 Photos	I've run a delay and a phase 90 that way to great effect. The delay is smoother and overall sounds better to me. Very reminiscent of an effects loop. In the end though it was a little too much hassle so I just went back to running the whole pedal board in front.

July 30th, 2008, 12:16 PM	#5 (permalink)
Zenotal TDPRI Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 14	Hmmmm...what is the exact signal path of a normal jumper setup? Been wanting to jumper my 5E3 but not sure exactly how. And how would I put my effects in the middle?

July 30th, 2008, 01:00 PM	#9 (permalink)
Zenotal TDPRI Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 14	"Internally jumping the channels at V1 will make a bigger impact IMHO" What is this, and how do you do it? I've also heard you can set the amp so that the Inst channel is dirty, and the Mic channel is (relatively) clean. This works the same way as jumpering? Thanks for all the replies.

July 30th, 2008, 01:42 PM	#10 (permalink)
telel6s Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 1,181 80 Photos	I played around with this when I had my Mission Amps 5E3. Using things like a delay or chorus pedal, you could get some different feel to the wet/dry blend when compared to just using the blend or level knob on the particular pedal. The downside is then adjusting that wet/dry blend would change up your gain and tonal response. So if you had a delay that you wanted in the background for ambiance on some songs but with an upfront slapback for some rockabilly, it would be tough to adjust that on the fly. Ultimately, I just stuck everything between the guitar and amp. But play with it and if it works for you that's what matters. Good sounds to be had but I just found it not worth it in the long run. One thing I should have tried (sold the 5E3 a ways back) would have been to stick a wah pedal in between the channels. I use wah more for rhythm than lead and it might have been cool to have that blended with a dry sound. Oh well. __________________ Mama always said, "A little tone is good for the soul."

July 30th, 2008, 05:04 PM	#11 (permalink)
aberrant TDPRI Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 72	Great thread....

July 30th, 2008, 06:17 PM	#12 (permalink)
Paul in Colorado Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fort Collins, CO Age: 56 Posts: 4,450 3 Photos	I often stick a delay and/or reverb between the channels of my Traynor Bassmaster, but I never thought of doing it with my whole pedalboard. Now you got me thinkin'... __________________ www.tuatha.net

July 30th, 2008, 07:07 PM	#13 (permalink)
JohnnyCrash Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lost Angeles and Orange County Posts: 7,128	I have an old digital Delay pedal that has a bit of harshness on the repeats. This is a great idea for warming that up. Maybe now I can get a decent '50s slapback sound now. Good thread!