What overdrives for use with a tweed Deluxe?

Jack Knife · December 31st, 2003, 03:57 PM

I know, you don't need an overdrive with a tweed Deluxe

I've got a Visual Sounds Route 66 right now, but haven't really dialed in anything I'm crazy about. I tend to use the compressor side as a clean boost more than the overdrive side.

So, what are you using in this role

The Gainster · December 31st, 2003, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Knife

I know, you don't need an overdrive with a tweed Deluxe

I've got a Visual Sounds Route 66 right now, but haven't really dialed in anything I'm crazy about. I tend to use the compressor side as a clean boost more than the overdrive side.

So, what are you using in this role

Only one choice:

:)

mechanicdave · December 31st, 2003, 07:51 PM

Send your Route66 to Keeley for his mod. You'll be glad you did.

Jack Knife · December 31st, 2003, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Gainster

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Knife

I know, you don't need an overdrive with a tweed Deluxe

I've got a Visual Sounds Route 66 right now, but haven't really dialed in anything I'm crazy about. I tend to use the compressor side as a clean boost more than the overdrive side.

So, what are you using in this role

Only one choice:

:)

Is that a Clark Gainster? I've never seen one, only heard about them. I have a Clark Beaufort, great amp!

How do you run your setup with this pedal? Do any chaneel jumping, or just straight in to one of the channels?

Thanks!

Jack Knife · December 31st, 2003, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mechanicdave

Send your Route66 to Keeley for his mod. You'll be glad you did.

I've heard of people doing this. What does Keeley's mod actually do?

Thanks!

jumpnblues · January 1st, 2004, 10:42 AM

...the Klon (if you don't use heavy OD). Actually I use mine almost exclusively for boost and only run the OD at about 7:00. If you tend to use light to no OD, it's still the most transparent and best I've heard. Although I've heard, owned, or played tons of OD/boost pedals I still haven't heard them all, so I know there are lots of good choices out there. But for my style of playing and tone I've yet to hear one I like better. Just for the record, I also really like the Z-Vex Super Duper and Banzai Cold Fusion...all great boost pedals. Will make your amp sound twice its size. However, one very important point to remember is you need to run your amp at least at "early breakup" for these pedals to work. In other words, they're not bedroom pedals. 8)

stantheman · January 1st, 2004, 01:59 PM

heard one at a Jam in Vermont a couple years back and
it was incredible, like a "Wee-Plexi", richest overtones and
harmonics, the thing "sang". Guy was playing an old
Vox hollowbody with a bolt on neck, sounded like he had Delay on it but he didn't. The Vox had cheapo "toaster
style" pups sorta like the ones on those "fake Rics"
that were lawsuited out of production a few years back.

Tim Bowen · January 1st, 2004, 02:47 PM

I don't have a ton of experience with tweeds, although my next amp will most likely be a Victoria Double Deluxe. FWIW, I have played a Fender '59 reissue Bassman a couple times with some pedals, & fairly loud too, so the "amp not working hard enough" thing would not apply here. I very much preferred the Klon to the Clark Gainster. Gainster was a nice pedal, but had too much bass loss for my tastes. Klon will definitely be my main source of dirt when I get a tweed.

The Gainster · January 2nd, 2004, 09:01 PM

I had a Klon when I got the Gainster. I sold the Klon soon after that. The Gainster was just more amp like and less mids. The Klon sounded worse as I turned up the gain. But, no doubt the Klon has mojo! Different strokes......... :D

Mine doesn't lose the bottom end. Maybe different chip?

Click here for some Gainster clips:
http://f1.pg.briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/...c=bc%26.view=l
Hope they help. :)

jumpnblues · January 3rd, 2004, 11:51 AM

...I know what you mean when you turn the gain up on the Klon. Mine never gets that high though. Maybe that's why I like it so much? I either run no OD or set it about 7:00 and use mostly just boost. This is where I think the Klon shines. IMHO it's not the pedal for heavy OD. 8)

The Gainster · January 3rd, 2004, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jumpnblues

...I know what you mean when you turn the gain up on the Klon. Mine never gets that high though. Maybe that's why I like it so much? I either run no OD or set it about 7:00 and use mostly just boost. This is where I think the Klon shines. IMHO it's not the pedal for heavy OD. 8)

I know what you mean. That is about where my Klon lived also. The Gainster is just one of those pedals that just "connected" with me. :)

I would have liked to keep the Klon but 2 $300.00 pedals......

I can always get a Klon but the Gainster is hard to find. :)

Tim Bowen · January 3rd, 2004, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Gainster

I had a Klon when I got the Gainster. I sold the Klon soon after that. The Gainster was just more amp like and less mids. The Klon sounded worse as I turned up the gain. But, no doubt the Klon has mojo! Different strokes......... :D

Right on, it's another version of the ol' Ford vs. Chevy debate fer sure! Both are top notch, but us nitpickers will always find a fave! I hear you on the mids thing with the Klon... it can get a bit fugly as you increase the gain, especially with an amp that has some mid emphasis... regardless of what amp I've played it through though, I pretty much live between gain @ minimum & about 10:00 on the Klon... there's been times I've tried to figure how you can justify a box that price with such a narrow taper (for me) of useful gain - but I don't require much gain from an "amp-like" pedal, &, to me, the Klon does what it does better than of the other many boxes I've compared it to. Besides, it's been paid for about 5 years now, so it's no big whoop at this point!

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Gainster

Mine doesn't lose the bottom end. Maybe different chip?

Can't say on the chip... I've read that the Gainster (the pedal, not the dude!) has been through a few updates, so that may very well be... it was a loaner pedal, only had it for a few days... I should say that it wasn't difficult to tailor a very nice tone out of it... the bass loss is something my buddy & I noticed at one of our nitpickin' test-drivin' sessions... we compared a bunch of the more amp-like contenders, such as Klon, Cold Fusion, the TIM (the pedal, not the dude!), & the Gainster. We noticed the difference in bass response in switching between effected & bypassed tones... the Gainster had more bass loss than any of the ones we tested... at the exact opposite end of the spectrum was the Cold Fusion, which actually seemed to add bass.

The Gainster · January 3rd, 2004, 03:25 PM

[quote="Tim Bowen"]

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Gainster

I had a Klon when I got the Gainster. I sold the Klon soon after that. The Gainster was just more amp like and less mids. The Klon sounded worse as I turned up the gain. But, no doubt the Klon has mojo! Different strokes......... :D

Right on, it's another version of the ol' Ford vs. Chevy debate fer sure! Both are top notch, but us nitpickers will always find a fave! I hear you on the mids thing with the Klon... it can get a bit fugly as you increase the gain, especially with an amp that has some mid emphasis... regardless of what amp I've played it through though, I pretty much live between gain @ minimum & about 10:00 on the Klon... there's been times I've tried to figure how you can justify a box that price with such a narrow taper (for me) of useful gain - but I don't require much gain from an "amp-like" pedal, &, to me, the Klon does what it does better than of the other many boxes I've compared it to. Besides, it's been paid for about 5 years now, so it's no big whoop at this point!

I'd have to agree with everything you wrote. I'll end up with a Klon again one day. I'm getting a TIM this week. Never heard one but am looking forward to playing thru it. :)

blungo2 · January 3rd, 2004, 03:32 PM

I don't have a Tweed Deluxe, but i recently purchased a Campbell Sound "Argyl" which is his version of a 59 Bassman. Some of my favorite pedals with my other amp (Emery Sound Superbaby) sound like poo with theArgyl. I have had good luck though with a Nobels ODR-1. It's a great sounding od with the Bassman clone. I'm thinking of also trying a Clark Gainster.

tanawana · January 5th, 2004, 11:46 AM

I use Clark Deluxe clones and always use a Klon. I always use it for a bit of push to the amp and to add the right amount of what I call "girth". Just gives the amp that "extra" and the use of the tone knob matches perfetcly for me also for adding/softening or pushing through the mix as needed. Pushing it more into distortion/overdrive can get a bit nasally though. For me I can't find anything that works better. so the price is worth it to me. Plus resale value is fantastic

If I want more break-up I put a hotcake in front of the Klon. A combination that has worked for years for me. A Hotcake on its own with a tweed isn't my favorite by far, but the Klon accents the pedal just right I feel. Adds what it needs.

Next choice would be a Kelley/Anolgman modded TS9. I also like to add a compressor and use it to enhance certain qualities out of the sound too.

Methos · January 8th, 2004, 12:23 PM

I was a little nervous about posting on this subject until I read it in a previous post: Here's another vote for the Marshall Bluesbreaker. I picked up a Bluesbreaker II and on my '59 Bassman RI with my G&L's it is outstanding. It's the only pedal I use.

Methos

December 31st, 2003, 03:57 PM	#1 (permalink)
Jack Knife Tele-Meister Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA Posts: 383	What overdrives for use with a tweed Deluxe? I know, you don't need an overdrive with a tweed Deluxe I've got a Visual Sounds Route 66 right now, but haven't really dialed in anything I'm crazy about. I tend to use the compressor side as a clean boost more than the overdrive side. So, what are you using in this role

January 1st, 2004, 10:42 AM	#6 (permalink)
jumpnblues Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Midwest Age: 58 Posts: 1,662	Still my #1 choice with tweeds... ...the Klon (if you don't use heavy OD). Actually I use mine almost exclusively for boost and only run the OD at about 7:00. If you tend to use light to no OD, it's still the most transparent and best I've heard. Although I've heard, owned, or played tons of OD/boost pedals I still haven't heard them all, so I know there are lots of good choices out there. But for my style of playing and tone I've yet to hear one I like better. Just for the record, I also really like the Z-Vex Super Duper and Banzai Cold Fusion...all great boost pedals. Will make your amp sound twice its size. However, one very important point to remember is you need to run your amp at least at "early breakup" for these pedals to work. In other words, they're not bedroom pedals. 8) __________________ jumpnblues "Heaven St." (Original Blues Instrumental): http://www.box.net/shared/static/z96atf0zn2.mp3 http://www.myspace.com/drbluezz

January 1st, 2004, 01:59 PM	#7 (permalink)
stantheman Poster Extraordinaire Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: White Mountains Posts: 5,018	Marshall Bluesbreaker. heard one at a Jam in Vermont a couple years back and it was incredible, like a "Wee-Plexi", richest overtones and harmonics, the thing "sang". Guy was playing an old Vox hollowbody with a bolt on neck, sounded like he had Delay on it but he didn't. The Vox had cheapo "toaster style" pups sorta like the ones on those "fake Rics" that were lawsuited out of production a few years back. __________________ Somebody Loan Me A Dime

January 1st, 2004, 02:47 PM	#8 (permalink)
Tim Bowen Friend of Leo's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Age: 48 Posts: 3,319	I don't have a ton of experience with tweeds, although my next amp will most likely be a Victoria Double Deluxe. FWIW, I have played a Fender '59 reissue Bassman a couple times with some pedals, & fairly loud too, so the "amp not working hard enough" thing would not apply here. I very much preferred the Klon to the Clark Gainster. Gainster was a nice pedal, but had too much bass loss for my tastes. Klon will definitely be my main source of dirt when I get a tweed. __________________ "Everyone is different in how they learn, but for me, it's turning the pegs and just playing." - BB

January 3rd, 2004, 11:51 AM	#10 (permalink)
jumpnblues Tele-Afflicted Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Midwest Age: 58 Posts: 1,662	Gainster... ...I know what you mean when you turn the gain up on the Klon. Mine never gets that high though. Maybe that's why I like it so much? I either run no OD or set it about 7:00 and use mostly just boost. This is where I think the Klon shines. IMHO it's not the pedal for heavy OD. 8) __________________ jumpnblues "Heaven St." (Original Blues Instrumental): http://www.box.net/shared/static/z96atf0zn2.mp3 http://www.myspace.com/drbluezz

December 31st, 2003, 07:51 PM	#3 (permalink)
mechanicdave Tele-Meister Join Date: May 2003 Location: Houston Posts: 333	Send your Route66 to Keeley for his mod. You'll be glad you did.

January 2nd, 2004, 09:01 PM	#9 (permalink)
The Gainster Tele-Meister Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Charleston SC Posts: 194	I had a Klon when I got the Gainster. I sold the Klon soon after that. The Gainster was just more amp like and less mids. The Klon sounded worse as I turned up the gain. But, no doubt the Klon has mojo! Different strokes......... :D Mine doesn't lose the bottom end. Maybe different chip? Click here for some Gainster clips: http://f1.pg.briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/...c=bc%26.view=l Hope they help. :)

January 3rd, 2004, 03:32 PM	#14 (permalink)
blungo2 TDPRI Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 37	I don't have a Tweed Deluxe, but i recently purchased a Campbell Sound "Argyl" which is his version of a 59 Bassman. Some of my favorite pedals with my other amp (Emery Sound Superbaby) sound like poo with theArgyl. I have had good luck though with a Nobels ODR-1. It's a great sounding od with the Bassman clone. I'm thinking of also trying a Clark Gainster.

January 5th, 2004, 11:46 AM	#15 (permalink)
tanawana TDPRI Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Youngstown, OH Posts: 62	I use Clark Deluxe clones and always use a Klon. I always use it for a bit of push to the amp and to add the right amount of what I call "girth". Just gives the amp that "extra" and the use of the tone knob matches perfetcly for me also for adding/softening or pushing through the mix as needed. Pushing it more into distortion/overdrive can get a bit nasally though. For me I can't find anything that works better. so the price is worth it to me. Plus resale value is fantastic If I want more break-up I put a hotcake in front of the Klon. A combination that has worked for years for me. A Hotcake on its own with a tweed isn't my favorite by far, but the Klon accents the pedal just right I feel. Adds what it needs. Next choice would be a Kelley/Anolgman modded TS9. I also like to add a compressor and use it to enhance certain qualities out of the sound too.

January 8th, 2004, 12:23 PM	#16 (permalink)
Methos Tele-Meister Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 112	I was a little nervous about posting on this subject until I read it in a previous post: Here's another vote for the Marshall Bluesbreaker. I picked up a Bluesbreaker II and on my '59 Bassman RI with my G&L's it is outstanding. It's the only pedal I use. Methos __________________ Muddy Waters Telecaster - slightly modded Tacoma EM-C9 Fender Champ Fender Hot Rod Deluxe "Girls, guitars, guns - ain't life grand?"