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Old April 10th, 2008, 08:46 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Eden Analog Nashville Hot boost

The Eden analog Hot Boost is the most incredible boost pedal that I have ever tried, the guys from eden Analog sent me one that had been sitting around to use for my compressor review. I used it by itself tonight, it is plain incredible, stomp on it and you are in Nashville, the country tones and fattened sounds are quite incredible. If you are a country picker and want to add some tone to your board, this great, could use it by itself without a compressor,great
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Ps -listen to the clips, I guess you really have to experience it to see what it is like

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Old April 10th, 2008, 09:24 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Guit30-I listened to the clips. Very Nice. The one nice thing would have been for them to record something clean. They are kind of singing the praises of the ability to use it as a clean pedal and yet the clips are all distorted.
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It sounded clean to me as I played it thru my amp, I did not have it turned up loud, I got very clean tones out of it
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Old April 11th, 2008, 09:24 PM   #4 (permalink)
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the eden products are really great products i have a austin overdrive
and its a very good sounding o/d and the other products they have all seem equally as good

so many times i have mentioned eden analog pedals here and nobody has responded i think they are sleepers and as soon as a big name is seen or heard using one they will become a must have pedal mark my words

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Without them turning the boost ON/OFF in the soundclips, I don't know what the hell the boost is actually DOING. They need soundclips showing the "clean" sound, THEN turn the pedal on.
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Old April 12th, 2008, 01:27 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Old May 2nd, 2008, 12:13 PM   #8 (permalink)
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the eden products are really great products i have a austin overdrive
and its a very good sounding o/d and the other products they have all seem equally as good

so many times i have mentioned eden analog pedals here and nobody has responded i think they are sleepers and as soon as a big name is seen or heard using one they will become a must have pedal mark my words

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Still new here, so I hope that no one minds my resurrecting something a few weeks old.

I own two Nashville pedals as I liked the first one so much, that I thought that I could use a second on the rack shelf in my interminable rack project. (That's a whole 'nother story...)

I too was intrigued by the soundclips on the Eden Analog website. I'd run across the link in a post on a different message board while researching a different overdrive pedal. I'd never heard of Eden Analog. In any case, I liked what I heard so much, that I forgot all about that other pedal and ordered the Nashville right away.

I'd say that the clips are rather accurate. It would seem to me that they were done with a very clean and neutral sounding amp.

I'd definitely agree that these Nashville pedals are real sleepers. Someone famous is going to come up with one of these in his rig and then it'll be like the Zendrive or Timmy all over again...

I saw the review at http://www.countrystarsonline.com/re...hootout_JM.htm in which the reviewer asked if the circuit utilizes the JRC4558 chip. It does not. Instead, it's centered around the Texas Instruments RC4558P chip, which to my ears are grittier, have slightly less gain and something of an upper mid peak.

I tried out a 1981 JRC4558D chip with it as the circuit card has a socket and the pedal sounded more like a mundane overdrive with the JRC chip. I'd long been ambivalent about the TI chip, but this circuit really makes it shine.

Clipping is from a pair of LEDs, which make for higher headroom before clipping. This doubtlessly accounts for the clean sound before clipping. Punching it up with a Maxon or Keeley compressor in front of it gets it to clip a little more readily. I don't have to run the Drive control up nearly as high that way.

Resistors are metal film and the caps are Panasonic film caps. This makes for a quieter and sweeter sound in my opinion.

The circuit is something like a tweaked TS circuit. The 10uF electrolytic in the audio path at the output buffer is an Elna cap, a high quality cap. The two buffer transistors are MPSA18s, a low-noise transistor.

I replaced the chip with a '70s TI RC4558P, but the difference is minimal. I don't believe there is the degree of sonic difference that one might hear with JRC chips from the '80s as compared with now.

I also recently ordered the Austin pedal on the strength of the Nashville pedal. I'm very interested to try it out and to also see what they've done to obtain its tones.

Don't have much use for the high-gain Detroit, as I get high gain sounds from say, an overdrive or boost pedal like the HAO Rust Booster II in front of a Lee Jackson GP-1000, which suits me fine.

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Old May 2nd, 2008, 02:41 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Very well inside!!!! I love it
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Old May 2nd, 2008, 09:24 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I definitely share and understand your enthusiasm for this pedal.

As someone that knows his way around the TS circuit and experimented with more than a few circuits and mods, I honestly think the guys at EA have come up with something that's definitely not your run-of-the-mill overdrive.

I would like to believe that I'm not someone that's easily stampeded by the hype that definitely infects some message boards. You know what I'm talking about — those guys with the $400.00 pedals they're selling three months later in the classified forum...

Hey, I suppose at one time or another, we've all been disappointed when the honeymoon is over and can joke about it, but yeah, this is a seriously cool and different pedal. Just my dos centavos.
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Hi,
I am Jim who also wrote the article in CSO about the comp shootout, am also a pedal geek, I have no reason to promote this pedal, I did not get a free one, In fact I seriously had to talk them down to get to keep the used one I had. I am using the Nashville by itself right now, usually use A Hartman comp too, which I probably will get back to doing, I have one of the old pedals, metal with a Decal, I play an acoustic thru it and it compresses and gives a nice boost too, I had been looking for a hot or fat boost.
The Nashville is actually just taking off, their other 2 pedals, The Austin and Detroit had been doing better.
I just got an e-mail from a guy at Keeley's, They are going to send me a new 4 knob Keeley comp for doing the review, now that is something I am excited about. They had given me a cheaper offer on the 2 knob I reviewed, but I couldn't afford it, I love the Keeley sound, and now I'm getting one for free, I'm like hyped
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Old May 2nd, 2008, 11:01 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Sounds cool.

I similarly have no connection to EA other than having purchased their product. I have both the old Nashville with the decal and the newer powder-coated pedal, which in my humble opinion, looks nicer.

I have a Keeley compressor, one of the older ones with the internal trim for attack. It's not silver, but a ruby red, one of the custom-color jobs.

What's a little odd is that it does seem to sound a little different than other Keeley compressors I've heard. I repaired a pedal board for a sideman for several prominent Country singers and noticed the difference between my Keeley comp and his. I am not certain why this is, but it could be as simple as the small differences in tolerances adding up to a palpable sonic difference. It doesn't sound bad, just different.

I will say though that I did have to adjust the attack trim as in the stock position, it just squashed the signal way too much and sounded unnatural to me. Others may like that, but it's not for me.

I also own a Maxon CP-101, which is an optical compressor as many know, a Maxon CS-9Pro+, which the emphasis is definitely on Pro and a Boss CS-1 with the little toggle. The CS-1 is practically unusable for anything more than very light compression. At higher settings, it swells like my Boss SG-1 Slow Gear. Not recommended.

I also have one of those Rocktron 300G compressors in my rack, which is a nice piece of Hair Metal Era gear. In one of my more than usual bored moments years ago, I got some crazy idea to replace the opamps in it with JRC4558Ds, which warmed it up nicely.

I think that covers it.

Getting back to the Keeley, it definitely has a slight coloration. When I first heard Brad Paisley's "Time Well Wasted," I asked the above-mentioned sideman, "Did you ever see a Keeley comp with Brad?" The coloration on the tone is plainly obvious. I don't mean that in a bad way, but it's just something I feel like I can pick out.

The sideman I know toured on the same bill with Brad and said that yes, at that time at the very least, Brad used a Keeley comp. He added that Brad was a total gear hound as anyone knows and would always have his tech swapping out gear in his rig.

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The Keeley I reviewed did add some tonal coloration, but I liked it, it was a 2 knob, I am going to leave the settings the same, I loved the sound, I can't wait to try putting the Keeley thru The Nashville Hot boost.
I helped a guy named Theo Hartman tweak the sound on his Hartman comp and I have one of those too, His is different than other orange squeezers I have tried. He gets a real good comp. Most Squeezers are gritty and not much compression. He uses a 73 Raytheon 4558 instead of the jrc4558, when he sent me one I bought, I told him I didn't like it. He was making the pedal from looking at an original Armstrong mod and not anyone elses.
He got back to me and said something I said made him try something, He took out the 1100 germanium signal diode and put in a 1400 silicon signal diode, He sent it back to me, wow, it sounds great. He is a very neat dude who has his own business.
I love Brad's sound, talk about geek's, man, he does everything, oh well, you take care now
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PS- Ihave a guyatone st2 comp too, my first comp, haven't used it in a while, but it is very good, how is that Maxon Pro
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Old May 3rd, 2008, 09:15 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I've been a long time fan of the Maxon stuff. I have owned a Japanese Domestic Market OD808 RI Overdrive since before Maxon was imported into the U.S. (It differs circuit-wise from the OD808s manufactured since.)

In the interest of full disclosure I was also very good friends with someone at Nisshin Onpa, Maxon's parent company, who is now deceased.

I have also tested pedals for Maxon such as the OOD-9, the OSD-9 and the VOP-9 when they were still being prototyped.

That out of the way, the CP-9Pro+ is my favorite compressor. It sounds like an expensive rack compressor and doesn't sound much like a pedal compressor.

I can let someone else speak for me in this case. A couple of years ago, the same sideman called me as he was driving home from Rock Block Music in Nashville. He was urged to try the CP-9Pro+ at the store and was absolutely raving about it to me, saying it was the most natural and nicest sounding compressor he'd ever heard.

He never did get it though. He gets a lot of gear given to him. Maybe I didn't take a hint and try to get him one for free? Now that I think of it, that might be it...

It uses a dbx chip for compression, which makes it a little different than say, the CP-101, which as mentioned, is an optical compressor. That has a different sound, rather "transparent" to use that hoary cliché. There's a Country guitarist I know in Texas that didn't like it as he said that he couldn't tell if it was on. That's why I like the CP-101 — the compression is not an obvious squash. To each his own!
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Old May 3rd, 2008, 03:10 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Howdy,
Guyatone is owned by Maxon and another company, also made in Japan, When I 1st went comp shopping, it was the only thing that did anything for me. It gives you a good Ross type squash,musical(not comparable to handmade pedals like the Hartman or Keeley)
Ok, Maxon-dbx pro or Keeley, (you keep giving hints, I'm going to guess this sidemam sooner or later, Humble pro guys are neat, I got to know George McCorkle a bit (MTB ,guitarist ,former) I was sad when he passed away. He would always give me a quote for a review. He was talking about all of the free stuff that He got as a pro.
Looking forward to see if there is any difference between the 2 or 4 knob
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Old May 3rd, 2008, 06:32 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Jim,

I don't believe there is any connection between Maxon/Nisshin Onpa and Guyatone. Maybe you're thinking of the Maxon/Ibanez connection?

Or maybe it's the fact that Godlyke imports both Maxon and Guyatone?

Looking at the owner's manual for the Guyatone SV-2, it reads that Guyatone is manufactured by Tokyo Sound Co., Ltd. in Tokyo.

Maxon is in Matsumoto, Japan.

As most know, Maxon manufactured a lot of pedals for Ibanez, up to, but not including the TS-808 RI, which I believe is manufactured by Sabine in Taiwan.

Getting back to Guyatone, they've had a prominent designer move from one smaller manufacturer to Guyatone. Don't know if that's proprietary info, so I won't mention the name. Not that it would matter to 99 out of 100 guys anyway...
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I guess I was thinking of The Godlyke distribution connection, Do you have a guyatone? They are very well made in my opinion for the most part, you have to take care of that rubber grommett that connects the top to the bottom, they are all metal, the newer ones are true bypass, my ST2 comp isn't true bypass. Still it does a good job and has a blend switch for adding dry signal to the mix.
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I had one (Eden Analog Nashville Hot boost) and gigged with it twice. After the first gig using it I was only mildly impressed. Tried it at my next gig and still it didn't do it for me and I sold it, but as they say... different strokes for different folks. YRMV
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I own a Guyatone SV-2 Slow Volume. It's rumored to be a copy of the Boss SG-2 Slow Gear.

I wanted to get another Slow Gear for my pedalboard several years ago but couldn't really justify the expense of finding one on eBay or some pedal merchant, so I looked into the SV-2.

I don't like the use of the rubber ring to secure the top and bottom... I can imagine that over the years, the rubber might dry out and the ring crack and split.

So I rehoused the pedal in an unifinished aluminum enclosure and converted it to true bypass.

As far as the EA Nashville, I don't a have what I'd consider a one size fits all overdrive. Instead, I like to have a few different overdrives for different overdrive timbres. The Nashville is sufficiently different than the usual TS knock-off and for me, does its thing so well, that's it's earned its place in my rack. True, as always, YRMV.

Lastly, thanks for the welcome! I actually signed up for this forum four or five years ago, but finally got around to posting. I'd usually just lurk and read the different posts as anything I'd think to ask was always already asked!
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I actually do not like ods for the most part, except for the Ibanez ts-808, and I see Maxon has one too. When I had heard the clips by Sammy Kershaws guitar player Rusty,(which helped), I said, I have to check this out, I loved the logo so much, I made a copy of it and it sat for a year, when I decide to do the pedal review, I e-mailed Robert and he was happy to send me one, I don't think that a lot of folk would like them, unless they were country oriented, I got a bit beat ,decaled one to review, they had just started powdercoating. I immediately fell in love with it, I did not look inside for awhile, When I did, I was quite impressed at how much was in there, thanks for telling me what all it was, I did see the TI 4558. Well, want to type up a review
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Yeah, it's definitely a pedal designed for the Country player -- maybe the first pedal expressly designed for such?

For Country, I've also found the HAO Sole Pressure and Maxon OOD-9 Organic Overdrive useful. To my ear, the SP sounds just like the old Fender tweeds we'd see come through the repair department and would then crank up.

The OOD-9 is an open low-gain, low-compression overdrive. If you read the descriptions on the Maxon site, they actually reflect my comments about the pedal. This was when I tested prototypes of the OOD-9, VOP-9 and OSD-9 and reported back.

Got the Eden Analog Austin yesterday. It's another winner. It's not as edgy as the Nashville and is more in line with conventional overdrives. It's a Blues pedal, for sure. It uses the same high-quality components and appears to have 1N4148/1N914 diodes for clipping instead of LEDs.

Very quiet, has more low end than a Tube Screamer, and to my ear, is warmer than the clips on the EA site would suggest. Maybe they recorded those with the Tone control way up and treble up high on the amp?

The circuit is designed around the same TI RC4558P chip, but I swapped it out for a '70s Malaysian TI RC4558P chip. That said, again, there's not a big diffence I can discern.
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Odd, I did not find the Nashville pedal edgy, How would you describe the Austin? Another pedal a country guy would like or more normal OD? Does it Fuzz out as I call it
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