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Old June 22nd, 2013, 12:12 PM   #1 (permalink)
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CV '50s Tele: Need Advice for Saddles/Bridge Upgrade!

OK. I got my new CV '50s Tele (BSB) yesterday. It's my first, ever, 3-saddle bridge setup. If (or when) future intonation issues arise, what do you think of these saddles/bridge upgrade options:
  • Option 3: Swap in a Fender Standard Series 6-Saddle Bridge for $24. I want to be able to experience/enjoy the "3 brass saddles" mojo; however, I really like this setup and would be quite happy if it ends here.

I don't want to put a lot of $$$ into my CV '50s Tele, but I do want it be soulful, playable and easy to set up and maintain.

A penny for your thoughts, guys? Whaddayathink? Any other options?

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Old June 22nd, 2013, 12:38 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I recently installed Callaham compensated saddles on my Tele with excellent results, intonation is pretty much spot on. I went for brass, but they do them in stainless-steel as well.
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My Roadworn came modded with the 6 saddle bridge. It intonated better and imparted a sustain and even response across the range of the instrument. I put a 3 saddle back on and it was much more Tele like: snap, twang, etc.
I'd buy the Stew Macs. It will give you the intonation you desire and preserve the tele nature. My 2c's.
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  • Option 3: Swap in a Fender Standard Series 6-Saddle Bridge for $24. I want to be able to experience/enjoy the "3 brass saddles" mojo; however, I really like this setup and would be quite happy if it ends here.
Option One, One to Ten with Ten being best, these # 5167s are a genuine 9.
If you ever dream of buying more Teles ever, order 3 sets and get the multi discount. These are the best inexpensive saddle, bar none. They're a 10 until you buy some Rutters or some Callahams; those are the real 10s but they cost much more.

Option Two, One to Ten with Ten being best, these "Gotoh" Wilkys are maybe 4. I don't like them, I fight with the guys who use them but they can work well, look pretty good. I can name 16 products I like better but I gotta leave room at the bottom.

Option Three, One to Ten with Ten being best, these 6 "hammer" saddle bridges are really awful but GFS sells worse, so I give them a 2 - because James Burton used them and he's cool. Otherwise they'd be a 1. These are so bad, I have 4 I took off guitars and I refuse to sell or give them to anyone - I'd be making an enemy for no valid reason, the way I see it.
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If you decide to go with the Fender 6 saddle bridge, there's a seller on ebay that sells them for $16.75 with free shipping. That's where I got the one for my Tele. A real Fender bridge in original packaging. He's a fast shipper, too. That would save you a few bucks.
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Old June 22nd, 2013, 02:20 PM   #6 (permalink)
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If you decide to go with the Fender 6 saddle bridge, there's a seller on ebay that sells them for $16.75 with free shipping. That's where I got the one for my Tele. A real Fender bridge in original packaging. He's a fast shipper, too. That would save you a few bucks.
You gotta wonder why you can buy this complex bridge, genuine Fender, so cheaply.

There's a reason. They can't give them away.
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Old June 22nd, 2013, 02:28 PM   #7 (permalink)
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If problems arise, you can always just put a little bend in the ones you got. I think you're overthinking it myself, I say just play it and don't worry about it. But if you are the tweaker type and you just know your gonna want some more adjustment, I'd go with the Stew Mac saddles.
The Wilkerson compensated bridge is good, I have 2 of em on partscasters, but in your situation it seems like overkill. Why change the whole bridge when you can just swap out the saddles for cheaper? I wouldn't put on a 6 saddle myself. The 3 saddle is part of the charm of your guitar.
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Old June 22nd, 2013, 04:05 PM   #8 (permalink)
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You gotta wonder why you can buy this complex bridge, genuine Fender, so cheaply.

There's a reason. They can't give them away.
I get that you don't like them and that's cool. I wouldn't call it complex though. It's a pretty simple bridge.

Personally I hate the 3 saddle bridge. The main reason I changed mine was that I didn't like the raised edges on the original ashtray bridge. My pinky would hit it when I was trying to mute the strings and not hit the high e enough to mute it but enough to make it sound funny. It drove me crazy. I also like the six saddle bridge because I can get the intonation more accurate. It also mounted the same way as the original bridge. I also like the looks of it better. I have not noticed any issues with it so far. But unlike a lot of tele players, I don't play country music or light blues rock. I like the looks of a tele but I wasn't after the tele sound. I play hard rock & metal so I modded my tele to work better for that kind of music. It's all just personal preference.
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You're asking for thoughts, mine is keep the stock setup.

I love the stock bridge and saddles on my CV50. Sustains like no one's business, and intonation is virtually perfect, Just a very slight compromise with the D/G strings. I honestly don't know how folks get good intonation with those compensated barrels. My 3 Teles are all stock 3-barrel bridges, and all are just about perfect. My '75 has the middle barrel slightly angled by the previous owner giving the intonation screw a very small bend, and it's intonation is about as good as it gets.

I also like two strings pressing the saddle down, as opposed to just one on a 6-saddle bridge. IMO that gives the Tele some of it's characteristic sound.

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Old June 22nd, 2013, 05:11 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Three saddle not for me either

I`m with you on wanting to get with the mojo of the 3 saddle thing , but to me it`s not my thing , if you alter it at all its a pantomime to get it to settle and I`ve read at least six hundred posts on how easy / great they are . Not for me , I had a mex tele MW nice guitar went over to the three saddle to be all tele and hip and ended up ripping it off and going back to the six (which I have on my CV50s , VM , and American Special . Live it doesn't seem to matter so much but , multi tracking in the studio and the high register parts are just wrong , I can pitch it back in in my software but what`s the point ? Horses for courses I suppose , if it floats your boat its the right bridge for you , end of . Click image for larger version

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Old June 22nd, 2013, 09:12 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I recently installed Callaham compensated saddles on my Tele with excellent results, intonation is pretty much spot on. I went for brass, but they do them in stainless-steel as well.
I like the Callaham's, too, but if I were to go that route, I'd probably change the bridge, too (see my note to Boris, below).

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Option One, One to Ten with Ten being best, these # 5167s are a genuine 9. These are the best inexpensive saddle, bar none. They're a 10 until you buy some Rutters or some Callahams; those are the real 10s but they cost much more.
I like the concept of the beveled sides of the Callaham and Rutters saddles, moreso than the "bent saddles" approach of the Stew-Macs. That said, I believe that it may be more practical to try the Stew-Mac's, given that I'd still be using the stock bridge.

If I decided to move up, then I'd replace the saddles AND the bridge. On the other hand, if the 3-saddle deal doesn't float my boat, then I'd go Fender 6-saddle setup - because I like that setup.
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Old June 22nd, 2013, 09:13 PM   #12 (permalink)
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My Roadworn came modded with the 6 saddle bridge. It intonated better and imparted a sustain and even response across the range of the instrument. I put a 3 saddle back on and it was much more Tele like: snap, twang, etc.
I'd buy the Stew Macs. It will give you the intonation you desire and preserve the tele nature. My 2c's.
I'm leaning this way, if the stockers don't pan out. Thanks.
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If you decide to go with the Fender 6 saddle bridge, there's a seller on ebay that sells them for $16.75 with free shipping. That's where I got the one for my Tele. A real Fender bridge in original packaging. He's a fast shipper, too. That would save you a few bucks.
Great! Thanks for the "heads up". I really like the Fender 6-saddle setup because it makes intonation easy and it provides a nice, clean look.

I'm going to give the 3-saddle thing an honest try. If it doesn't work out, then I'm all over the Fender 6-saddle thing.

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Personally I hate the 3 saddle bridge. The main reason I changed mine was that I didn't like the raised edges on the original ashtray bridge.

I also like the six saddle bridge because I can get the intonation more accurate. It also mounted the same way as the original bridge. I also like the looks of it better. I have not noticed any issues with it so far. But unlike a lot of tele players, I don't play country music or light blues rock. I like the looks of a tele but I wasn't after the tele sound. I play hard rock & metal so I modded my tele to work better for that kind of music. It's all just personal preference.
I agree with you 100%, zakkwyldefan79; but I'm keeping an open mind and I'm going to give this 3-saddle thingy a try.

I don't play country music; I play progressive rock and blues-inspired music. I still want my Tele to sound like a Tele.

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I`m with you on wanting to get with the mojo of the 3 saddle thing , but to me it`s not my thing
Not my thing, either, but I'm willing to give it a try...
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You're asking for thoughts, mine is keep the stock setup.

I love the stock bridge and saddles on my CV50. Sustains like no one's business, and intonation is virtually perfect, Just a very slight compromise with the D/G strings.
I'll give it my best effort!
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You gotta wonder why you can buy this complex bridge, genuine Fender, so cheaply.

There's a reason. They can't give them away.
They are not talking about the 6 saddle vintage style, they are talking about the modern 6 saddle bridge found on the Standard.
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OK. I got my new CV '50s Tele (BSB) yesterday. It's my first, ever, 3-saddle bridge setup. If (or when) future intonation issues arise, what do you think of these saddles/bridge upgrade options:

I don't want to put a lot of $$$ into my CV '50s Tele, but I do want it be soulful, playable and easy to set up and maintain.

A penny for your thoughts, guys? Whaddayathink? Any other options?

Thanks, guys.
Don't mean to hijack your thread, but I posted something similar here, http://www.tdpri.com/forum/tele-tech...s-problem.html

Should have put it here as you have gotten a lot more response.

The Stew Mac's appear to be winning here but when I read the comments on Stew's site there were a couple that stated the first string could not be lowered enough.
I'm leaning towards the Callaham's.
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Don't mean to hijack your thread, but I posted something similar here, http://www.tdpri.com/forum/tele-tech...s-problem.html

Should have put it here as you have gotten a lot more response.

The Stew Mac's appear to be winning here but when I read the comments on Stew's site there were a couple that stated the first string could not be lowered enough.
I'm leaning towards the Callaham's.
Yes and yes. Stew-Mac's get the nod, but I agree that the larger diameter of the saddles could be problematic for string height. Boris believes that the Stew-Mac's are the best available, at this price point, so I'll ask him if he is aware of this issue.

For me, it doesn't make sense to put the $40 Callaham's on a bridge that costs $15 - including the saddles!

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I've used the Wilkinson with compensated bridge saddles on two teles with good results. The bridge/saddles aren't terrible stock either
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Option One, One to Ten with Ten being best, these [Stew-Mac] # 5167's are a genuine 9... These are the best inexpensive saddle, bar none. They're a 10 until you buy some Rutters or some Callahams; those are the real 10's but they cost much more.
boris, regarding the Stew-Mac compensated saddles, there are several comments within the Stew-Mac review area which mention that the increased diameter of the saddles may be problematic for lower action settings. Have you experienced this issue?
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I`m with you on wanting to get with the mojo of the 3 saddle thing , but to me it`s not my thing , if you alter it at all its a pantomime to get it to settle and I`ve read at least six hundred posts on how easy / great they are . Not for me , I had a mex tele MW nice guitar went over to the three saddle to be all tele and hip and ended up ripping it off and going back to the six (which I have on my CV50s , VM , and American Special . Live it doesn't seem to matter so much but , multi tracking in the studio and the high register parts are just wrong , I can pitch it back in in my software but what`s the point ? Horses for courses I suppose , if it floats your boat its the right bridge for you , end of .
ShadowChancer, another mod that I was considering on my CV '50's Tele was moving to a 5-hole, 3-ply (B/W/B) pickguard with pickup adjustment holes, for pickups that are mounted to the pick guard.

Have you considered this change? Are these pick guards available?

Would a Fender Standard MIM Tele pick guard fit the CV '50's Tele?

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