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Old February 10th, 2013, 11:51 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi,

I have been lurking here for awhile now. I am planning to build a telecaster, but it is too dang cold in the workshop, so I gotta wait. I have been looking over kits for amps and am leaning towards a 5E3, probably boothill.

I am just learning acoustic, also want to go electric, and have been working with wood, metal, simple electronics since the early 70's. I built a couple heathkit deals back in the day. So I have never played and don't know anything about electric guitars and amps, other than I want to build a guitar and amp. I am progressing well, I think, with the acoustic guitar.

I have been reading a lot and watching youtube vids and checking out this site for awhile now. I will never be a performer, so I don't need a huge amp. I was thinking just buy a blues jr at first then started thinking if I build a 5e3 that gives me something to work on while it is cold, and when it warms I can build the cabinet also.

I have a question on 5e3. I saw a series of vids on tube amps and the guy was raving about the blues jr having master volume. The 5e3 as far as I can tell does not have a master volume. Is this something that would be a drawback when comparing blues jr to 5e3? Can master volume be added without messing things up?


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Old February 10th, 2013, 11:59 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Old February 10th, 2013, 12:14 PM   #3 (permalink)
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There are 2 camps when it comes to master volume amps.
I'm in the "I wouldn't have a master volume amp if you gave it to me" camp.

Anything could be added i guess, don't know how much trouble it would be.
If you are just going to be playing at home and you want to be able to turn it up enough to get dirty without being too loud, just build a 5F1.
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There are 2 camps when it comes to master volume amps.
I'm in the "I wouldn't have a master volume amp if you gave it to me" camp.

Anything could be added i guess, don't know how much trouble it would be.
If you are just going to be playing at home and you want to be able to turn it up enough to get dirty without being too loud, just build a 5F1.

Why do you feel that way about master volume, if you don't mind me asking?

I have thought about building a 5F1, but does anyone stop at the 5F1 though? Seems most build the 5E3 after the 5F1, in search of better sound, from what I've read. I have never heard either live, just youtube and soundclips. But, from what I have heard the 5E3 sounds better.


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Old February 10th, 2013, 12:39 PM   #5 (permalink)
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A Fender 5F1 is a great amp for the 'home' player.
Probably good for fairly small venues too?
The term....'sounds better'....is always subjective anyway.

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Old February 10th, 2013, 01:06 PM   #6 (permalink)
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A master volume could be put in front of the PI stage. I wish I had my 5E3 finished by now (just cleaning up the workshop so I can work on it) but I think you could use the second channel Volume to cut down the output of the channel you are running into and still get some dirt without driving the output loudly. Could a 5E3 owner let us know if it is possible?
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Boothill amps also offers an L-pad attenuator kit that you assemble. It is designed for the 5F1, 5F2a and 5E3. It works very well as I ordered and built one. I recommend it for the 5E3 as it is very loud at any form of breakup.
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Old February 10th, 2013, 03:08 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Many regard master volume as a tone-sucking device. In an amp with 2 gain stages like the Deluxe, I have found this to be true. A MV is a voltage divider and as such generally doesn't sound too good, unless it's turned all the way up.
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Old February 10th, 2013, 04:41 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I can tell you that i'm real happy that I started with the 5F1. i'ts not finished yet, but it is a great learning experience. plus, I plan on a few mods before diving into something bigger. I really think that people build the 5E3 after the 5F1 because this stuff is addictive!
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Old February 10th, 2013, 04:59 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I built a 5e3 first then another then a 5f1. The 5f1 is a satisfying build, a great practice amp and is great for recording or using mic'd so long as your stage volume is moderate. I love it and use it frequently for all of these things. The 5e3 is slightly more complicated but it builds of of the 5f1 layout and design. Once you build and understand the 5f1, the 5e3 will make more sense. I've sold both 5e3s and kept the 5f1. The 5e3 does not need a master volume. If you play loud stages, it might need to be mic'd. It can get loud but has little clean headroom. I passed both 5e3s on for better stuff but after 2-3 years I just bought a 5e3 chassis to build another. Like anything, the details make the difference. Transformers, tubes, caps, speakers. I tried different stuff and was never satisfied. This time I'll try a different combo and hopefully have a keeper. Otherwise I'll pass it on and wait a few years and try again. That didn't happen with my 5f1. It was an instant keeper.

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Old February 10th, 2013, 05:04 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I really think that people build the 5E3 after the 5F1 because this stuff is addictive!
I agree with Brian. My first build was a Champ type amp from a kit. I play it every day, it has a beautiful sound and I can't imagine I will ever need anything else. But need has nothing to do with it. I want to build a Bassman, I want to build a Tweed Pro, I'd quite like to build a 5c1 and a 5d8 and by then of course I'll have to have something else with tremolo. Oh, and a standalone reverb unit.

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Old February 10th, 2013, 06:44 PM   #12 (permalink)
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My first build was a 5f2a. Good place to start.

Then I built a Princeton reverb because its a completely different beast.

Sold the tweed Princeton, built a 5f1

Built another 5f2a as a head with a 2x10 cab which really opens it up and gives me a wider sound and more volume.

Now I'm on a 5c1

I could and have gigged all of the above.

We build more/different amps because this is an addiction and generally not because we need them ;)

Start with a 5f1 or 5f2a. You'll learn a lot and if you build something else it'll give you a lesson in layout / lead dress / etc.
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http://www.thegearpage.net/board/arc.../t-836445.html MV vs Non-MV.
The only advantage to master volume is getting distortion at a lower level, but the distortion is usually ugly preamp compared to natural output distortion. Makes sense to and have reason for building both the 5F1 and the 5E3 or use a V.V.R. http://www.hallamplification.com/main.html?src=%2F#2,2
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Old February 10th, 2013, 11:13 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Thanks for all of the replies everyone. Looks like I have more reading to do and re consider a 5F1 as a starting point.

I will get back with more questions I am sure.
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http://www.thegearpage.net/board/arc.../t-836445.html MV vs Non-MV.
The only advantage to master volume is getting distortion at a lower level, but the distortion is usually ugly preamp compared to natural output distortion. Makes sense to and have reason for building both the 5F1 and the 5E3 or use a V.V.R. http://www.hallamplification.com/main.html?src=%2F#2,2
Now I am confused. The guy that did the video series indicated you would use the master volume to be able to avoid preamp distortion and get power tube distortion instead. I gotta find the videos again and watch them again.

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Old February 11th, 2013, 07:38 AM   #16 (permalink)
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I had it wrong

Well, I watched the video series again and what you guys are saying about
preamp distortion with the master volume is spot on. I don't know where I got the idea that I had in my head. I had watched those vids twice and still had it wrong. So I am not going to worry about master volume. I will start with a 5F1 and see if that is what I end up using.

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