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Old February 20th, 2012, 07:23 AM   #1 (permalink)
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"Gibson" Epiphones: Why do they copy the axe, except for the headstock shape?

I find it to be weird that Gibson sells non-US made "copies" of their own old designs, branding them as "Epiphones", yet they keep the defunct Epiphone headstock shape, which often doesn't look at all good with the axe.

I'm sure I'm not the first to wonder about this!

I'm thinking of something like this, a guitar design that I like, the 60's SG, but the headstock looks too weird for me.

Currently around $350.

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Old February 20th, 2012, 07:35 AM   #2 (permalink)
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You want the Gibby headstock, you pay the Gibby price. Simple. It's a pretty clever way to get some people to fork over the extra cash.
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Old February 20th, 2012, 08:10 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Epiphone models enable budget minded players to have "officially licensed" Gibson style guitars instead of copies from other companies. (similar to what Fender offers through the Squier brand). personally, the Epiphone headstock shape doesn't bother me a bit. i own 3 Epis and they all offered me something i liked: an SG with the best neck i've ever played on any guitar, a Dot Studio which made a 335 style guitar very affordable to me and is a fine sounding no frills guitar, and a Wildkat...which is not a Gibson knockoff, but a cool retro styled semi-hollow with bigsby.
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Old February 20th, 2012, 08:26 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I'd buy another epi in a heartbeat.
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Old February 20th, 2012, 08:31 AM   #5 (permalink)
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That's good, Hekawi. I owned & did many gigs with an Epiphone Joe Pass hollowbody. Pretty good guitar. I'm not really meaning to "bash" these Epiphones.

But still, why copy the whole look and design of the instrument, except for the headstock? Fender Squiers have regular headstock shapes to the originals.
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Old February 20th, 2012, 08:44 AM   #6 (permalink)
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But still, why copy the whole look and design of the instrument, except for the headstock?

To set Epiphone apart as a different brand and create more distinction between it and Gibson.

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But still, why copy the whole look and design of the instrument, except for the headstock? Fender Squiers have regular headstock shapes to the originals.
I agree and, as said above, it's probably to differentiate an Epi from a 'real' Gibson. But I think it's an idea that's not as relevant as it used to be and that they are stuck in their thinking somewhat.
With all the Tokais and things out there with a closer to original headstock I think they're making a mistake and should change the Epi headstock to something closer to the original Gibson...at least on models that are copies of Gibsons.

The long Epi headstock should certainly be dumped. Hideous, IMO.
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I like it on epi only models(sheraton,riviera,casino etc...) But I agree it doesn't look right on lp's and sg's.
Tokai's looks much better.
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Old February 20th, 2012, 08:59 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I don't see much difference, other than the Epi headstock is more "flared." Damn, I love my Epi Dot. I know its components aren't top of the line, but since I'm not top of the line, either, I don't care. It plays like a dream and didn't cost me much at all (especially since I got it used on a trade).
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To set Epiphone apart as a different brand and create more distinction between the it and Gibson.

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I think this is it, plain & simple.
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Old February 20th, 2012, 09:55 AM   #11 (permalink)
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There used to be Epiphones (out of Japan I think?) that had the Gibson headstock, I seem to remember a few early '90s LPs that were Epis with a Gibson headstock... I bet they have different headstocks to prevent people from replacing the decals and trying to sell them as Gibsons...
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There used to be Epiphones (out of Japan I think?) that had the Gibson headstock, I seem to remember a few early '90s LPs that were Epis with a Gibson headstock... I bet they have different headstocks to prevent people from replacing the decals and trying to sell them as Gibsons...
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I have seen a couple of Epi headstocks that were altered to look like a Gibson. The guy had a luthier glue "points" on each side of the headstock, refin the back, and put a real Gibson headstock overlay on top. You couldn't tell the difference unless you looked really closely. On stage, nobody would ever know.
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I love that big Epiphone headstock, and I like many of their guitars.

I wish they'd design more original Epi guitars instead of so many Gibson copies.

But I understand why they do it.
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Old February 21st, 2012, 12:18 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Is the current Epi headstock that much different from headstocks on vintage Epis from the pre-Gibson ownership days?
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I find it to be weird that Gibson sells non-US made "copies" of their own old designs, branding them as "Epiphones", yet they keep the defunct Epiphone headstock shape, which often doesn't look at all good with the axe.

I'm sure I'm not the first to wonder about this!

I'm thinking of something like this, a guitar design that I like, the 60's SG, but the headstock looks too weird for me.

Currently around $350.

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I don't really care. I have the Epi you referred to in your original post and it sings just fine regardless of what headstock is on it. I actually never noticed it up to this point. It is an Epiphone, not a Gibson, so I wasn't looking for a Gibson headstock and logo. I didn't feel the extra $X00 was worth it.
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Old February 21st, 2012, 02:36 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Guild, Gibson, and Epiphone are the nicest looking 3 + 3 headstocks imo.
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Old February 21st, 2012, 07:01 AM   #19 (permalink)
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i love epiphones and i really want an epiphone les paul but the headstock, i just cant deal with it.
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"Woe is me !!! my headstock is so ugly i can't bear to look at !!! ... thankfully, i am not one of those headstock sniffers ... how 'bout this Epi Emperor Regent headstock ??? Gibson doesn't make anything this cool ...
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