disenchanted with Bill Lawrence

[editorjuno]

I don't see anything wrong with exposing a fundamentally dishonest poster by reminding him of his own words. Clucker started this thread dishonestly by accusing Becky of overcharging when in fact he actually underpaid for the product -- and got it anyway! He's apparently had the pickup in question for multiple months and had owned other BL Tele pickups, for several years prior to that purchase. There's no evidence he ever even asked for a refund, but chose instead to make a public stink. I'm a firm proponent of "The customer is always right," but Clucker seems to be the exception that proves the rule!

Becky is very forthcoming about the Tele bridge issue with every customer, but statistically Clucker's severe problem -- which I'm not convinced he actually has, given what he's said previously, e.g. "I did notice about the B'L' is that they take to distortion better than any single coil I have ever used" -- is extremely rare, and by his criteria the many other suppliers of "noiseless" (stacked-coil) Tele bridge pickups are also liars, because virtually all such pickups (and many pure single-coils) are susceptible to the very same condition: a traditional ashtray-style bridge that's less-than-perfectly mated with the body. Expecting to be explicitly warned in advance about such an uncommon situation is like expecting a tire salesman to brief you about dented rims or alignment issues that can affect tire performance when he has no access to your vehicle!

Not only has the microphonic Tele bridge issue been common knowledge among Tele players for decades, but nobody has provided more detailed and more frequently posted information about it than Bill.

[Clucker]

The first set I bought. 280 neck and 280 bridge do sound very very good,particurly with some gain. I have no problem with the sound. I do have a problem with the Lawrences not being up front about this one issue.
What I neglected to mention is that I had to spend $200.00 to get that $80.00 set of pickups to not howl when I turned them up. Yes I may be a bit fickle, but no more than anybody else on this forum. It is a financial issue and an issue of not being up front about their product. I don't go to a restaurant and pay $8.00 for spaghetti and then find out I need to spend another $15.00 to get a plate to eat it off of. I also dont see where I said anything disparraging about Bill and Becky other than that their pickups didn't do what they said they would do. I am no expert on Teles and I don't think I should have to be. All I wanted was to get what I paid for without any surprises. If ya'll think that is unfair then oh well. Everyone got an opinion. I only wanted what I paid for, nothing more, nothing less.

[6aliens]

Originally Posted by Clucker

The first set I bought. 280 neck and 280 bridge do sound very very good,particurly with some gain. I have no problem with the sound. I do have a problem with the Lawrences not being up front about this one issue.
What I neglected to mention is that I had to spend $200.00 to get that $80.00 set of pickups to not howl when I turned them up. Yes I may be a bit fickle, but no more than anybody else on this forum. It is a financial issue and an issue of not being up front about their product. I don't go to a restaurant and pay $8.00 for spaghetti and then find out I need to spend another $15.00 to get a plate to eat it off of. I also dont see where I said anything disparraging about Bill and Becky other than that their pickups didn't do what they said they would do. I am no expert on Teles and I don't think I should have to be. All I wanted was to get what I paid for without any surprises. If ya'll think that is unfair then oh well. Everyone got an opinion. I only wanted what I paid for, nothing more, nothing less.

Hello Clucker,

What did Bill and Becky say to you when you asked for a replacement so that you could check and see if the pickup you have is a dud?

Or what did they say to you when you asked for a refund?

Thank you,

Clayton

[Clucker]

two 280's for what? $80.00 give a or take a few bucks plus $200.00 to get rid of the howl. $108.00 for the 298 and 280 plus what ever I am going to have to spend to get a brass bridge $50.00 - $125.00. Let's see that comes to
200.00
80.00
108.00
50.00 Hmmm that comes to $438.00 best case scenario. Ya you're right I have no reason to be upset,hell it's only money, it grows on trees don't it? Oh and gee, thanks for spotting me that 50 cents, I am sure you must have gone without milk for a year for that.



P.S. thanks to everyone who at least considered my position and didn't automatically jump on the Bill and Becky are perfect campaign.

[Clucker]

I don't want a replacement. I want honesty.

[6aliens]

Originally Posted by Clucker

I don't want a replacement. I want honesty.

It would be great if everyone who lives on the Earth were honest and always told the truth but unfortunately that's not the way it is.

If you happen to be one of the rare few who have never told a lie then I can see how you would be as upset as you appear to be in feeling that the Lawrence's have lied to you as well as everyone who buys their pickups.

If I were you,I would've asked for a repalcement or a refund.

Take it easy Clucker,

Clayton

[Drak]

I can see the ads in GP now, it all makes perfect sense to me.

"Try some EMG Tele T-style Pickups today...silent, quiet, beautiful crystalline tone...BUT YOU MAY FIND THEM STERILE SOUNDING"

Or:
"Hey, try our great Lace Sensor Hot Golds for a steamingly smooth and warm overdriven tone, BUT TRADITIONAL PLAYERS SHOULD STAY AWAY DUE TO THE SOLID PLASTIC COVERS"

Or:
" Give these Duncan Pearly Gates Humbuckers a whirl...BUT YOU MUST USE A MAHOGONY BODIED GUITAR"

Or:
"Please try our Guitar Jonz vintage styled crisp and twangy pickups...NOT INTENDED FOR SATRIANI/VAI PLAYERS!


...This is one of the absolute silliest sour grapes threads I've read on the TDPRI in a long time.

[11 Gauge]

Originally Posted by Drak

...This is one of the absolute silliest sour grapes threads I've read on the TDPRI in a long time.

Not just silly, but sad. What a train wreck it's become.

All that needed to happen was for Clucker to give in and get a refund, whether he's right or wrong.

And all that needed to happen was for Becky to provide the refund, whether they (the Lawrences) are right or wrong.

Instead, both parties have ended up painting themselves and each other into an unfavorable light. All that it cost Clucker was a bit of pride and 2 pickups. The costs for the Lawrences could be potentially higher (maybe not - people have a way of forgetting things, or letting things slide that maybe they shouldn't).

[Joe Harris]

Originally Posted by 11 Gauge

All that needed to happen was for Clucker to give in and get a refund, whether he's right or wrong.

And all that needed to happen was for Becky to provide the refund, whether they (the Lawrences) are right or wrong.

Hold your horses ... did Clucker ever ask Becky for a refund ? How long has he had the pickups ? YEARS ? What business would give a refund on a product that has been installed and used for years ?

Look at the original post ... other than its trollish nature , what is he asking for? "Has anyone else had this problem" Hmmmmm

Bill Lawrence has spent his life building his reputation and then out of left field comes someone ambiguously accusing them of being liars and you are put off because they want to defend themselves ? If you don't like Becky's post , please note that they were not her words ... they were Clucker's words. How could she NOT respond ?

Becky, you have every right to defend yourself against these scurrilous claims. If you did not respond to these accusations the same ones who objected to your reply would probably say your silence came from guilt.
Don't believe that "the customer is always right crap" ... this is obviously an attempt at dragging your name through the mud.

And don't worry about the "I was gonna buy some Lawrence pickups until I saw this thread" camp because they were never intending on buying your product. Take my word for it ... you've lost nothing.

[11 Gauge]

Originally Posted by Joe Harris

Hold your horses ... did Clucker ever ask Becky for a refund ? How long has he had the pickups ? YEARS ? What business would give a refund on a product that has been installed and used for years ?

Look at the original post ... other than its trollish nature , what is he asking for? "Has anyone else had this problem" Hmmmmm

Bill Lawrence has spent his life building his reputation and then out of left field comes someone ambiguously accusing them of being liars and you are put off because they want to defend themselves ? If you don't like Becky's post , please note that they were not her words ... they were Clucker's words. How could she NOT respond ?

Becky, you have every right to defend yourself against these scurrilous claims. If you did not respond to these accusations the same ones who objected to your reply would probably say your silence came from guilt.
Don't believe that "the customer is always right crap" ... this is obviously an attempt at dragging your name through the mud.

And don't worry about the "I was gonna buy some Lawrence pickups until I saw this thread" camp because they were never intending on buying your product. Take my word for it ... you've lost nothing.

Like I said - a sad train wreck. Your heated retorts will not change that. It may be wise if you calm down. Your emotions are getting the best of you, and your replies are getting inflammatory.

I'm sure that the wonderful Lawrence reputation will weather this isolated incident. Aren't you? Remember - right or wrong, most people forget.

Not that they would heed it, but I think that in your present state that you shouldn't be giving Becky and Bill advice.

This is not a conspiracy - "we" are not out to drag anyone's good name in the mud.

Perhaps you should go back and look at Becky's last "reply." If you still feel that it was totally justified, you are certainly entitled to that opinion.

But in my opinion, it was completely off base. If you are a vendor dealing with a potential "out there" client, there are much better (and safer) options. If Becky really thought she was in the right, she should have contacted Paul or Chris and have them yank this thread. It's become such a sad story, and so upsetting for some of us (like you), that pulling it might be best. I'd consider it myself, but it's not my call.

[studebaker hawk]

Or:
" Give these Duncan Pearly Gates Humbuckers a whirl...BUT YOU MUST USE A MAHOGONY BODIED GUITAR"

Dammit! Now I'm pissed!!!

[Joe Harris]

Heated ? Inflammatory ? Like calling someone a liar ?
Plus , you never answered the question. Did he ask for a refund ?

[jimfog]

Just to put my comment in context.......I once posted about a Lawrence 280/290 strat set that didn't work for me, tone-wise, and that I found them very sterile and not true to single coil tone.

I was immediately contacted by Becky and one of their "people".......basically telling me I HAD to send the pickups back immediately, because obviously they had been wired up in the pickguard incorrectly, and I was being unfair. When I told them that I sold the pickups, and they WERE wired just fine, they REALLY wanted me to tell them who I sold them to, so they could contact them and "fix" the wiring problem.........despite the fact that the guy who bought them DUG them. Kinda weird, I thought.

As I said, it's all taste. I have years and years of stage and studio experience with real single coil tone (for better and worse), and know that those BL's weren't it. No big deal........I think the fault is more mine, expecting the impossible, than theirs.

I think Becky means well, and is just trying to help....... but sometimes it seems that the Lawrences have a hard time believing their product isn't above criticism......if you find fault with one of their pickups, it MUST be you.

Oh...and hey.....not to muddy the waters......but I think it needs to be mentioned, Bruce (editorjuno) that you have worked for, and are a good friend of, the Lawrences......just so everything's in the open, ya know.

Continue on, kids........but play nice.

- Jim

[JayFreddy]

I have no connection to Becky & Bill other than being a satisfied customer. We've never met face to face, just spoken on the phone, but I have never been disappointed with any of the products or services I have purchased from them.

1st, Clucker claims, several times, that, "I'm not saying anything bad about the pickups or Becky and Bill", then goes onto say bad things about the pickups and about Becky and Bill... Several times.

2nd, Becky & Bill obviously care about the quality of their products, and they care what people think about those products, especially people here at TDPRI. Re: jimfog, the fact that they would go out of their way to track down a possible dud is pretty amazing. We are lucky that they care enough to post here on this forum, in an honest, friendly, informative, non-vindictive manner. I doubt Duncan or Dimarzio would give you the time of day after closing time. With Becky & Bill, this is obviously their LIFE, and not just a paycheck.

3rd, I agree with Drak about truth in advertising. The Lawrences are honest, and they are honest about their pickups too, more-so than most manufacturers.

4th, I asked Clucker to post any info he could regarding Becky and Bill's attempts to fix this so-called "problem" for him, and he completely ignored my post. He still hasn't provided any PROOF to back up his words.

5th, It's pretty clear to me that Clucker decided to switch to EMG's and thought he could blackmail Becky and Bill into buying them for him. This is simply my interpretation, but it's not hard to read between the lines. After posting glowing reviews of his 280's, where he says they sound "best with a little distortion", he starts asking for more info on EMG's, decides he's going to put EMG's in all of his guitars, and then suddenly this thread...

Seems he mistook Becky's kindness for weakness.

LBNL, I agree with Joe Harris on just about everything else. It's cool to know that you used to work for the Lawrences, and now you're still friends. I don't have too many ex-bosses I'm still friends with...

ps. Becky, I'm sorry you had to deal with this guy. Please just keep doing what you're doing. Most of us really appreciate it.

[Clucker]

"It's pretty clear to me that Clucker decided to switch to EMG's and thought he could blackmail Becky and Bill into buying them for him"

One of the most ridiculous and untrue statements I have ever heard. I already have EMG's for my tele.

[Drak]

You know, I went back and read some of Cluckers' old posts, and I think I put my finger on the root problem here, see if anyone agrees with me...

Clucker doesn't seem to know a lot about guitar repair or hotrodding guitars judging by his past posts. Things that many of us hotrodders and tinkerers take for granted as matter-of-fact stuff. Especially Telecaster bridges and everything surrounding them and their finicky nature. No problem, none of us knows everything about everything. This is not meant to be derogatory in ANY way to Clucker as you will understand in a minute, all of us are uninformed about some things in life, whether it be heating/AC, plumbing, electricity, cars, etc., ...pick a topic you yourself are somewhat uninformed about.

But out of his slight ignorance of what to expect with replacement pickups came unrealistic expectations...expectations us guitar hotrodders take for granted on a daily basis, and thus the problem, unrealistic expectations of a product bought because of a general ignorance of the subject at-hand.

Example: say you spend $30,000.00 to have your back yard completely re-landscaped, and you are trusting the contractor understands your wishes to have a nice thick carpet-like grass area.

So he plants zoysia grass with respect to your wishes for a full carpet-like grass field.

But in the fall, your entire grass field turns brown, and you are PISSED!
You think the contractor has sold you an inferior grass, simply because you know nothing about grasses in general.

Unrealistic expectations born of a slight ignorance of the subject.

Example: you're a race car driver as a hobby, but not so much the mechanic, and you want more performance. You hire a top notch custom mechanic to install a beefier engine and tranny with all the fixins' to give you more hosses.

BUT, the entire package is now 700lbs. heavier than it was before and it completely changes the handling characteristics of the vehicle.
Yes you have more power, but you now have to spend months getting used to how the car handles. You are PISSED!

Unrealistic expectations born of a slight ignorance of the subject.

Maybe you can come up with better analogies, I think the point is clear tho.


So I understand why Clucker is upset and I also understand why he reacted the way he did, but I disagree with his assumption that the product itself is faulty in any way, I believe it really was his miscalculated/misinformed assumption of the product beforehand with his generally unknowing nature of the aftermarket pickup world in general that did him in.

I mean, lots of us hotrodders go thru this all the time and make no fuss about it at all, because we sort of 'know the game'. He didn't know the game and was dissapointed. It happens.

[Clucker]

Well stated Drak.That was a very thoughtful and kind response. I never meant to piss anybody off, but I had no idea that Teles are apt to have more problems of this sort than any other guitar. But now what do I/we do?

[Drak]

A nice round of apologies usually get things moving in the right direction for everyone involved.

[JayFreddy]

Originally Posted by Drak

A nice round of apologies usually get things moving in the right direction for everyone involved.

I'll start. I'm sorry for making the blackmail suggestion. I have no idea what went on behind the scenes. But I do know how Becky & Bill will work overtime to fix a problem and keep a customer happy, so it seemed pretty low for Clucker to call them dishonest. That's what got me riled up.

[proffett]

Originally Posted by Joe Harris

And don't worry about the "I was gonna buy some Lawrence pickups until I saw this thread" camp because they were never intending on buying your product. Take my word for it ... you've lost nothing.

Just one customer. Nothing big.
I was indeed seriously considering these, if only for the price. Now, I'm not.

So I understand why Clucker is upset and I also understand why he reacted the way he did, but I disagree with his assumption that the product itself is faulty in any way, I believe it really was his miscalculated/misinformed assumption of the product beforehand with his generally unknowing nature of the aftermarket pickup world in general that did him in.

That is Clucker's whole point from the start, isn't it? He had no reason to expect anything else. He was 'misinformed' by the lack of info on the website when he bought his pickups.

[JayFreddy]

Originally Posted by proffett

He was 'misinformed' by the lack of info on the website when he bought his pickups.

See Drak's post about truth in advertising. The Lawrences are honest, more-so than most manufacturers. I don't see that there was anything misrepresented, and if there was an honest misunderstanding, I'm sure they'd offer a refund.

It looks to me like Becky & Bill did everything they could to make Clucker happy, and apparently he was happy, at least according to his previous posts. He even went so far as to say that his 280's "sound great, especially with distortion" which is the exact opposite of what he's saying here. Which one is it?

[11 Gauge]

Originally Posted by Joe Harris

Heated ? Inflammatory ? Like calling someone a liar ?
Plus , you never answered the question. Did he ask for a refund ?

Yes - like calling someone a liar. It isn't okay for you, me, Clucker, Becky, or anyone else here to do that. If you want to bring that to Paul's attention, it would probably be good, but you would probably want to include your inflammatory remarks, as well.

As far as answering the question, it seems more like begging the question. I can see you pouring the gas, and I'm not going to step in the puddle. I hope that others here are wise enough to do the same.

It's clear that we are at a stalemate position here, right or wrong. If you're getting pissed, try to put it into perspective - one upset customer, just a pair of pickups, no one got physically hurt, etc....

There are plenty of other things in life to get so concerned about. And I'm sure that the Lawrences have this under control.: And there are a zillion people in the world who will upset you if you let them. Why let them?

My suggestion (FWIW)? Go visit one of the thousands of threads here that makes you feel good.

[Clucker]

Actually I never said they didn't sound good with distortion. What I said was that the 280's I bought a couple of years back cost me dearly,$ 200.00 bucks on top of the price of the pickups to get them so they were useable with distortion.

I also would like to apologize for starting this thread and then letting and contributing to it becoming the ridiculous fiasco it has become.

I still feel I have an honest gripe but could have been dealt with a better way. In truth I should have dealt with Becky and Bill directly, but I first was wanting a reality check to see if my problem was a common, as I have had it with two different sets or Lawrence in a two year period.

I am sorry I am not one of the knowledgeable ones the forum but I am a player and have never really had any interest until very recently to even know anything beyond how to change my own strings. I have gigged since the mid 70's and still know way less than I should about P.A's I guess that is the way I am wired.

This thread statred innocently enough and I was a contributer,perhaps the main contributer to letting it go to a bad place and for that I am sorry.

I remember a couple years back of Drak and Maestrovert getting into it on this very forum. I don't even remember what there disagreement was about but I remember thinking. How silly to argue like that, and now here I am doing the exact same thing.

So there is at least a partial apology. I wish I could do better, but I had a gig from hell last night and I am not in any shape to speak as eloquently as I would like at the moment,but there is what can muster until I can get some shut eye

[11 Gauge]

Originally Posted by Clucker

So there is at least a partial apology. I wish I could do better, but I had a gig from hell last night and I am not in any shape to speak as eloquently as I would like at the moment,but there is what can muster until I can get some shut eye

As soon as you can do better, please do it. And start with Becky, if you haven't already.

And try not to preface or conclude your apologies with excuses, provisos, etc. Those that are pretty angry will probably not consider such apologies genuine.

Here's to less toxic threads...

[StuH]

Clucker you don't have to defend yourself here, there's only 2 or 3 people on your back out of a membership of how many thousand members.

You were asking what's next, have you considered putting these up for auction? They would probably go very quickly.

If it was me and you were pleased with the results after your first installation after it was sheilded, I would take one of your problematic teles and shield it yourself. This isn't very difficult to do and you did mention you wanted to weed yourself away from guitar techs. Maybe as a safety post picks when you solder your connections up. You already are doing your own setups now it's time to tackle electronics. It would be a good learning experience IMO and save you in the long run.

[Clucker]

Wow. I apologize and the first reply I get is a critique of my apology.

[tazzboy]

My only question to you Clucker is when did the problem first start happening when you got them install and it started to happen? and if so, judging by your post, why did you wait 2 years to complain about it when you should contacted Bill and Becky Lawrence and told them what happen.

I'm just curious. Because what I have read from your post you started to like them and the all the sudden you don't.

[tdu]

Clucker in previous posts I mentioned that I would also be upset if I bought the pickups, only to learn later I needed a new bridge to use them.

But I don't understand what you want for the situation to be resolved. It appears you haven't really attempted to remedy the situation other then posting here.

As others have mentioned, as an unsatisfied customer what steps did you take before posting here? And what would it take now to make you happy or resolve the situation?

[JohnK24]

Originally Posted by Clucker

I don't want a replacement. I want honesty.

Really...just forget this noiseless pickup voodoo and contact Owen Duffy for some REAL tele pickups...his stuff is out of this world.

[Drak]

Dude apologized and cleaned up his side of the street, does someone here have an interest in fanning the flames unnecessarily some more, or can we put this to bed now?

If a man has the cajones to openly apologise to any and all that might be reading, then woe to the man who in turn cannot accept it, shake hands, and call it a day.


"All we are saying, is give peace a chance."

[petebradt]

Originally Posted by JohnK24

Really...just forget this noiseless pickup voodoo and contact Owen Duffy for some REAL tele pickups...his stuff is out of this world.

+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

Owen's a goodun.

Fred Stuart, too. Lindy Fralin. JD Van Zandt.

Noiseless = toneless to my ears. BLEH!

[gumbo]

If only in consideration of the greenhouse effect caused by the generation of electricity consumed in the continuation of posting to this thread...


...can we all please take a deep breath, center ourselves, and move on now???

[11 Gauge]

Originally Posted by Clucker

Wow. I apologize and the first reply I get is a critique of my apology.

Please reread it.

It is not a critique at all - just suggestions. Can you see that?

If you are truly, genuinely apologetic, why are you still so defensive?

If you really want to put this to bed, you need to concentrate on the 2 steps forward, without (still) resorting to the 1 step back.

[proffett]

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[Clucker]

I give, this is just too much bull****. I am out of here.

[giantslayer]

fwiw, Clucker's apology may not have been perfect, but it was certainly better than nothing.

Looks like this thread was one big mess. This is also a good example of what the Good Book is talking about when it says the tongue is like a spark that can burn down a forest. Hopefully we can all learn to handle this kind of stuff better in the future.

[studebaker hawk]

This thread is a good example of why I'd like people to make their point
and let it ride. It gets boring reading posts that say the same thing over
and over.

[BroadMaster]

Originally Posted by Joe Harris

Would we be wanting to get a refund on the perfectly working " I love the Lawrence 280s " in order to invest the $$$ in a new set of EMG's ??

BINGO! We have a winner here folks.

[BroadMaster]

Originally Posted by proffett

A lie by ommision is still a lie, even if it is unintentional. So in a sense, he is right.
I am very concerned about the last post by Becky, listing Clucker's posts concerning his BL's. That shows me very poor customer relations and business sense.
Even if Clucker was completely in the wrong, which I am not convinced of at all, for a business owner to post something like that to discredit a customer is unethical and poorly thought out to say the least.
In fact, if she does not have the common courtesy and decency to go back and edit that post out, I for one will not buy from her. I know they have plenty of happy customers, and they do make a great product overall, but that post to me just says alot about their ethics. One or two lost customers may not affect their bottom line at all, but keep in mind that word of mouth is a powerful thing... I build, repair and modify guitars for alot of people at work, at church, and other places. I will not be recommending BL's at this time, even though they are good pickups and affordable.

This is only my humble opinion. I'm sure that there are plenty of folks out there who disagree.
But I am looking into EMG's for this tele.

D

How is posting his former statements for rebuttal, unethical? HE wrote 'em. They are archived. Everything you ,me, any body else here has written is there to come back and bite your ass if you don't remember you said the opposite, a while ago. I would question Clucker's ethos WAAAAAAY before I'd look at the manufacturer.

There is a basic tenet in critical thinking: Access a full and proper body of knowledge before you make your decision. Sounds to me like clucker didn't do the homework on what might be necessary to use the pickup of his choice. Now he wants to cast blame in any direction except the reflective.
Your comment about word of mouth is a thinly veiled threat, from my point of view. I'm glad I can do my own work and do not need your services. You are entitled to your view, as I am mine. This is no personal attack.

Just cause I want a volkswagon with a Corvette motor doesn't mean I can order the vette motor and simply bolt it up and go. Logistics comes to mind.

IMVHO, clucker is overzealous for calling the Lawrences a liar. BTW, I am not affilitated in any way.

I don't really care for the noiseless pickup from WHOEVER. They are, in my opinion, a marvelous solution to a non- existent problem. Teles are noisy. So what! Turn the volume down between songs. Learn to position yourself on stage to get the least noise. Try not standing so close to your amp. Buy a passive volume pedal. There are myriad solutions without all this claptrap, whiney, namecalling BS in this thread.
There now, got that off my chest. Was it good for you, too?

[lusn]

Well, I have had every tele bridge pickup that Bill Lawrence has made with the exception of the early 250 model, and have NEVER had any squeal of any kind. I play blues with gain at somewhat high volumes, I have used many different bridges, magnetic and non, without any difference. He has a HIGH quality pickup for a ridiculous price- I rank them as my 2nd favorite behind Kinman Broadcasters... with are about twice the cost.

I have no affiliation with the Lawrences- in fact, of all the Lawrence pickups I own, only one set has been bought directly from them- the rest have been from eBay... I have never met either of the lawrences and I believe I have only spoken to Becky once about 5 or 6 years ago.

Yes, their website is a bit slow to update- they are a true Mom and Pop shop, and I am certain they will get to it soon enough...

Anyway, bottom line, you are dead wrong about these pickups and with your treatment of the Lawrences in this manner. I have only posted on this forum once or twice but feel compelled to speak up at this time as I am ashamed of your treatment of someone who has answered your questions quickly and honestly. What Mrs. Lawrence doesn't say is that the problem is most likely pilot error (you) on the installation/setup. bsed on my vast experience with every pickup that the Lawrences produce, that is what I am certain is going on here.

But, to ease your whining (God, you complained about an extra 8-12 dollars like it is a federal crime!) Email me and I will buy your Lawrence pickups from you for what you paid for them- but, then you shut up, or at least do not treat the Lawrences as rudely as you have.