Duncan is winding Bardens!!!!!

[Jimo]

I just read within one of the post on Seymour Duncan Forums that "MJ" is winding Bardens for testing--apparently they struck a deal with Barden---if it is true---but who knows---anyone?----anyone?------Bueller?-----------cheers!--------JIMO

[sidneystreet]

Yep, I just read the same thread.

Duncan Barden's at end of thread

I'll surely be buying a set of those the moment they are available.

[Mark Davis]

As soon as those are ready for sale the crazy Ebay prices will level out or stop all together.

Thats great news.

[Chris S.]

Not to my knowledge. But if you're referring to this thread here:

http://www.seymourduncan.com/forum/s...d.php?p=829645

It looks like someone heard that someone else said that some as-yet-to-be-released pickup sounds "just like" a Barden. (Of course, the person who made the claim is also involved in <u>selling</u> them...) :-| Quick – somebody call CNN... ;-) CS

[Falstaff]

Are those Barden clones or are they actually licensed by Barden?

Either way, that was good marketing.

[GuitarJonz]

Originally Posted by Mark Davis

As soon as those are ready for sale the crazy Ebay prices will level out or stop all together.

I doubt it. Then, it will probably be "hey, those aren't real Bardens, those are Duncan-copies, or Lawrence-designed Fender copies, or Brand-X copies, real Bardens are way better"

Thats great news.

I agree, more choices is always good news. It will be fun to watch in any event! :D

[Mark Davis]

I guess I should have added what I was thinking and that is if they are Barden approved pickups made exactly like the Bardens only manfuactured by Duncan then the price of the Bardens the real ones might come down a bit.

If Joe Barden cant make his own pickup design anymore I see no problem letting someone else do it??

[JamonHamon]

I just Emailed Seymour Duncan Custom Shop and asked if they will make an accurate set of Joe Bardans pickups. I hope that they will for a fair price!!!!!

[franchelB]

Originally Posted by Mark Davis

...

If Joe Barden cant make his own pickup design anymore I see no problem letting someone else do it??

and even if "Bardens" are the "best" guitar pickup ever made, will it turn a bad guitarist into the "next" Danny Gatton or ...(insert favorite guitarist's name here)?

[Jim Sams]

Originally Posted by franchelB

and even if "Bardens" are the "best" guitar pickup ever made, will it turn a bad guitarist into the "next" Danny Gatton or ...(insert favorite guitarist's name here)?

If you can't play, no pickup will help you.
However if the tone of you gear sounds heavenly TO YOU then you can feel more comfortable and play a little better because you are satisfied with the noise coming from your gear. It is sort of a psychological thing I guess.
There is no gurantee Bardens or any other thing will give you THE TONE (what ever that may be).

[Hucklebilly]

Originally Posted by franchelB

and even if "Bardens" are the "best" guitar pickup ever made, will it turn a bad guitarist into the "next" Danny Gatton or ...(insert favorite guitarist's name here)?

what exactly is the connection between this response and the orginal point?

[PeterUK]

Originally Posted by Falstaff

Are those Barden clones or are they actually licensed by Barden?

Either way, that was good marketing.

I'm interested in this comment, right or wrong, factual or non factual, and I'm not having a go a Falstaff for his use of words.

I must confess to be feeling pretty smug that I bagged a set of Bardens from eBay.co.uk about 1-month before the prices started going through the roof, but this in itself has caused me a problem. I want another set.

Stick with me, because you'll see where I'm going on this.

Question. IF Seymour Duncan produce a Barden-style pick up, do they need a licence? The reason I'm asking is that I recall reading the transcript of an interview with Joe - in fact, as I recall, it was on his website - stating that he chose not to "patent" his design and that he believed people would buy HIS product even if others did decide to copy or clone his design.

So if my memory serves me right, does ANYONE need a licence?

If, however, SD would like to use the name Joe Barden on a dual blade, noiseless pick up, I presume they do need a licence to use his name? Anyone?

Does anyone have a better insight into these issues, regardless of whether this is true?

:? Peter

[Chris S.]

Oy. :-|

First, Full Disclosure Dept. – Joe Barden is an old friend of mine, and I've been a big fan of his pickups for many years. That said,

1) The title of this thread makes about as much sense as "Gibson is now making Fender guitars!!!" Go read the thread that's being referenced:

http://www.seymourduncan.com/forum/s...d.php?p=829645

Someone at SD says they have a pickup in development that sounds "just like" a Barden. If that's true, that's great news – but it's still an "IF," not an established fact, or even a widely held opinion.

2) Joe's design is not patented. Anyone can make a similar pickup. But getting the "recipe" right requires knowledge of both the particular materials used AND the exact process (just like cooking). Even details as minor as the composition of the blades or how much tension the wire is under during winding can and do make a difference in the way the final product performs.

3) Joe does own his trade name. No one else can call their pickups "Bardens," just as no one else can call their hamburgers "McDonalds."

4) AFAIK, Joe has NOT licensed his trade name nor his manufacturing process to anyone else, at least not as far as pickups are concerned.

Hope it helps, CS :-)

Edit to add: Peter, I'm not jumping on YOU or anyone else – these are all legitimate questions. IMO, it's the misinterpretation of the original info and the title of this thread that are causing all the confusion... :-\

[Jimo]

maybe I should have called it: IS duncan winding a Barden ? I thought someone might have had more information. Maybe you could ask Joe what the deal is?--------cheers!----JIMO

[Jim Sams]

I can't imagine that the new (if produced) Duncans will be called Bardens.....If Joe were still interested in pickups he would still be making them I would think. The market is still strong for his products and I am suprised Joe hasen't resumed production. But of course I don't know Joe or anything about his business.
I also can't see Duncan paying a license fee to Joe for his name if they can sell the copies of the Bardens without it.
Duncan will probably do something similar to when they made the copies of the Bill Lawrence pickup for the Dimebucker.
FWIW, I always thought the humbuckers were the best of Joes pickups, although I love the tele ones also.

[PeterUK]

Originally Posted by Chris S.

Edit to add: Peter, I'm not jumping on YOU or anyone else – these are all legitimate questions. IMO, it's the misinterpretation of the original info and the title of this thread that are causing all the confusion... :-\

Chris, no offence taken or interpretted. I know you are a good friend of Joe, and we have a common love of his pick ups.

Thanks for your reply. Well written and argued.

Peter

[Scotland]

Oh, I read somewhere that Duncans have a new pickup called The Hamel Hammer, do you think there is any truth in that or is someone blowing smoke up my kilt?

Joke...honestly, just joking

[PeterUK]

Originally Posted by Scotland

Oh, I read somewhere that Duncans have a new pickup called The Hamel Hammer, do you think there is any truth in that or is someone blowing smoke up my kilt?

Joke...honestly, just joking

I wrote something really funny but it would certainly get pulled, so I'll just sit hear tittering to myself!

[RelicStrat]

Oh, I read somewhere that Duncans have a new pickup called The Hamel Hammer, do you think there is any truth in that or is someone blowing smoke up my kilt?

ahhh...wrong again my Scottish friend. It's called The Velvet Hamel Hammer. And I'm not going anywhere near your kilt.

[Jimo]

I don't know anything about these except what I read in the Seymour Duncan Forum. I was interested in getting a couple of Bardens but I don't want to pay $500 and then have Duncan release some, no matter what they call them, for $65 each. ya know?------JIMO

[getbent]

is there an additional cost to have the smoke blown up my kilt if I buy the duncan/hamels.... if it sounds good does it constitute a "happy ending"? should this be a separate topic....

[DAVIS T. BONE]

I'm gonna wait for the Duncanhamelbarden to come out!

[yegbert]

Originally Posted by getbent

is there an additional cost to have the smoke blown up my kilt if I buy the duncan/hamels.... if it sounds good does it constitute a "happy ending"? should this be a separate topic....

That must be why some folks swear those pickups play buttery smooth and have a smoky tonal character, while others think they just sound like crap.

[sneakyjapan]

not like this is completely new to Duncan... they do have the Vintage Rails and Hot Rails so it wouldn`t be much of a stretch to produce Barden like p`ups.