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Old June 4th, 2013, 09:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Lil 59 vs hot rail

Anybody have advice on either of these? Or a thread thus was covered in?

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Old June 4th, 2013, 09:42 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Not a lot of advice, really. Hot rails are high output pickups, Lil 59s are medium output. If you're playing lots of high gain with little of anything else, you probably would like the Hot Rails. The '59s can do high gain, medium gain, clean, whatever, and still sound good.
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Old June 4th, 2013, 09:43 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I wish I could a/b them, but there aren't any videos of the same/similar gear to hear the differences.
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It's been a LONG time since I've had a Hot Rails in one of my guitars, but if I remember correctly they were great for slamming preamps, but sounded somewhat dark and compressed on cleaner amp settings. I have Lil '59s in two of my Teles and though they're slightly darker than a standard Tele pickup they still have some of that Tele sound going on, but they also work really well when you bring the gain up.
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Hot rails are very high gain and don't do clean very well at all. In my experience they are also very compressed and trebly on higher strings. My tele with a hot rails in the bridge is mostly used as my metal guitar, usually in drop c or b. so I would say of you want metal, hot rails, but anything else go with a little 59'er or maybe look into dimarzio hot rail type pickups, or even a stacked single coil type pickup.
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Old June 4th, 2013, 10:00 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Lil 59* I keep getting confused with the gfs version ;)
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Old June 4th, 2013, 10:10 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I'm playing mostly punk, through a tiny terror being pushed by a rat 2. I don't ever play clean unless it's an acoustic. But it's kind of a commitment to jump into either one without any really good comparisons. But so far so good with the info.
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Old June 4th, 2013, 10:14 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Also potentially dumb question; when you say darker, do you mean less treble, or are there other notable differences?
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Old June 4th, 2013, 10:25 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Yes, less treble. Not quite muddy, but definitely not a bright or "chimey" clean sound.
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Old June 4th, 2013, 10:28 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Thanks. That's really helpful. I can deal with less treble.
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Old June 5th, 2013, 01:52 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I have a lil59 in a tele and a hot rails in a strat...both partscasters
Don't think I would rush out to buy either again...
I've got a split switch in both to do the single coil thing.

They sound Ok, pretty much as described in previous posts...
I like the 59 better cos you can always add heat via a pedal
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Less treb...get the Lil-JBj for strat...not sure for Tele..or the BillGibbons BG1400 for tele
I got the 59 in a tele parts...pretty rocky
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Less treb...get the Lil-JBj for strat...not sure for Tele..or the BillGibbons BG1400 for tele
I got the 59 in a tele parts...pretty rocky
Duncan doesn't make a lil JB for the Tele, unfortunately. I love the full-sized version.
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I hope this video will help you, enjoy.

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Old June 5th, 2013, 02:56 PM   #15 (permalink)
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It cleared things up a bit, just wish he did more than solo with it. A few chords would have been useful.
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Lil 59 tele is a tad different than lil 59 strat........I have both...
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Hot Rails are hot to the point of obliterating your tone.

Might consider the Dimarzio Pro Track (dual blade, single coil size humbucker - Dimarzio's take on the PAF.
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Uriah1 I'd be interested in knowing the differences between the Strat & Tele versions.
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Old June 5th, 2013, 11:45 PM   #19 (permalink)
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I know it didn't compare, but my roommate has a strat with an invader pickup, it sounded farty. But he says the low end was increased on that pickup. I'm interested in the boosted midrange of the hot rail. The real question is has anyone used a hot rail or Lil 59 in a punk rock setting.
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Mate I think either pickup will be fine in a punk rock setting.
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