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Old March 13th, 2013, 09:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Two Tele Neck Pickups out of phase

I had ordered a strat pickguard cut for tele pickups and my pickguard guy cut the first one for two tele neck pickups when my intention was a set. Anyway, I was "stuck" with this pickguard with the two tele neck pickup cuts and decided to wire it up out of curiosity. It actually sounds really good, but the middle switch position seems to have an out of phase cocked wah sound. There's not a terrible volume drop that is usually associated when two pickups are out of phase from each other. I know the usual cure is to switch the hot and ground connections on one pickup. My question is if I do this, will I need to also switch the connection from the ground to the pickup cover tab??


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Old March 13th, 2013, 10:09 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Yup, you will have to float the ground on one of the two pickups. Usually there is a little jumper you can cut, and then just solder a separate ground wire to the cover.

If you did this with the neck pickup, you could go to a 4 way switch as well.

Although tele neck pickups can be weak, a couple decent ones as a pair would be interesting...

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So what does that bridge pickup sound like? Compared to a Tele bridge pup or a strat bridge pup
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So what does that bridge pickup sound like? Compared to a Tele bridge pup or a strat bridge pup
Yeah, I would have that question too...and what kind of tele neck pickups are they?

I could see a pair of Fender nickel silver covered tele neck pickups sounding pretty nice as a pair...maybe even a TX Special in the bridge and a Twisted Tele in the neck... Or something like a phat Duncan Quarter Pounder or Hot Tele in the bridge with something a bit milder in the neck...

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Yeah, I would have that question too...and what kind of tele neck pickups are they?

I could see a pair of Fender nickel silver covered tele neck pickups sounding pretty nice as a pair...maybe even a TX Special in the bridge and a Twisted Tele in the neck... Or something like a phat Duncan Quarter Pounder or Hot Tele in the bridge with something a bit milder in the neck...

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not sure of the make and model. I picked them up as a used pair off of ebay. They have alnico magnets. the neck measured in at around 4.8K and the bridge around 5.5K. They sound quite good apart from the out of phase issue.
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Looks pretty cool actually!
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not sure of the make and model. I picked them up as a used pair off of ebay. They have alnico magnets. the neck measured in at around 4.8K and the bridge around 5.5K. They sound quite good apart from the out of phase issue.
Wow, those readings are pretty low ??

Interesting
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They probably use 42 or 41 gauge wire, and maybe ceramic magnets I'm guessing. The pickups on a strat copy I once saw measured around 4k!
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They probably use 42 or 41 gauge wire, and maybe ceramic magnets I'm guessing. The pickups on a strat copy I once saw measured around 4k!
these definately have alnico magnets. I also just got a Rose Bourbon from another forum member that reads 5.5K. The GFS Fatbody neck pickup also reads in around the same range as does the Fender Twisted Tele neck pickup.

I will post pictures when I pull the pickguard back off to re-wire the pickups...
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The old '70s Japanese Teles made at the Ibanez factory (I sold mine, its brand escapes me and Google has let me down,St Lous Music sold them) had a 5.7K Tele neck like p/up on some of there models bridges. Pretty trebley even w the cover, I use it as a neck. NOTE series order matters G-N-B-Hot sounds different than G-B-N-Hot. Also switching leads darkens the sound a little, if its wired G-start-finish-Hot like normal. So change the B unless you want all its treble.
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Rewired the neck pickup tonight, swapping the hot and ground connections. Worked like a charm! Added benefit that they are now humcancelling in the middle position!



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They probably use 42 or 41 gauge wire, and maybe ceramic magnets I'm guessing. The pickups on a strat copy I once saw measured around 4k!
Gretsch Filtertrons also measure in around 4K. DC readings have nothing to do with actual output.
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uploaded a video demo of this set up!

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Excellent sound! Whats the amp? I love mystery ebay p/ups. I've gotten 4 and all have sounded great. W that low a DC R, those p/ups should kill in series.
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Awesome. Great sound. Makes me want a 3 T-neck pickup strat. Al2-al3-al5 or something silly.
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Excellent sound! Whats the amp? I love mystery ebay p/ups. I've gotten 4 and all have sounded great. W that low a DC R, those p/ups should kill in series.
Thank you! I am considering wiring a 4 way switch.

The amp is a Marshall Class 5.
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Awesome. Great sound. Makes me want a 3 T-neck pickup strat. Al2-al3-al5 or something silly.
go for it!
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