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Old March 12th, 2013, 07:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm probably asking what 1000 other people have, but what's the first step to brightening up a MiM Strat? I've never owned one until now. Ive had an American, and a couple Squirts, but I love the look and feel of this one; it's just dull. Will a good nut, rewiring, and trem block make it brighter, or will it need new pups too????

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Old March 12th, 2013, 08:39 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Pickups will make a lot more difference than a nut, electronics (which I think are pretty decent on MIM guitars), or a dumb piece of metal like a trem block.

If you have the cheap ceramic pickups like recent MIM teles, get those the heck out of your guitar. Buy a used set of decent pickups like Duncans, American Vintage, etc. Are you really looking for "bright" or are you looking for a better feel and a better juicy tone? If it's just "bright", turn up the treble control on your amp.

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Old March 12th, 2013, 08:50 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I'd start with the less expensive stuff first. You already mention new nut and rewiring. Maybe before that I would go after adjusting the pickups and new strings.

Not knowing which model/year of MIM that it is. You may have ceramic pickups and mini 500k pots. That alone should make it brighter. If that's what you have.

The '94 MIM that I have came with the ceramics and the 500k mini's. I never thought the ceramics sounded that bad. But, the tone quest kicked in, those got changed.

Some people swear by the trem block change making a big difference, some don't. So probably not something I would start with.

Might be a simple as some minor tweaking and some different settings at the amp for this guitar.

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Old March 12th, 2013, 11:47 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I'm probably asking what 1000 other people have, but what's the first step to brightening up a MiM Strat? I've never owned one until now. Ive had an American, and a couple Squirts, but I love the look and feel of this one; it's just dull. Will a good nut, rewiring, and trem block make it brighter, or will it need new pups too????
MIM Standard pickups are pretty dark sounding, to brighten up the guitar a pickup change is probably in order. A steel trem block helps with a lot of things but it won't brighten it up significantly.
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Old March 13th, 2013, 07:22 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I just swapped some Custom Shop 69's into my MIM Standard and they are AWESOME... BUT the ceramic pups... the sounded pretty dam good too. I think people invent reasons not to like them because they're "budget" level or not the hip thing to like/have. Yes, I swapped pups, but not because I really disliked the Ceramic pups (other then the gritty bridge pup), I was more looking for the FINAL LITTLE details of tone that would make me 100% happy. The guitar was great STOCK, it just got THAT much better with the new pups.

Otherwise work with you amp and the tone knob cause my ceramic pup'd Strat with the tones cranked could shatter glass it was so bright. I'm not getting where people find "muddy" in a Strat Now a guitar with "regular" Humbuckers (non WRHBs) sure... mud city, but Strats??? Nope, sorry, either something is malfunctioning, you've got the tone controls on 1, or your amp has the treble turned all the way down.
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Get the pickups away from the strings. Neck pickup sounds best flush with the guard. Adjust the other two to match the output to the neck.
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Get the pickups away from the strings. Neck pickup sounds best flush with the guard. Adjust the other two to match the output to the neck.
Ok. I just dropped the neck pup, and adjusted the middle, and it helped. A little. I think I'll start with wiring, maybe new pots? I have no idea what's under the guard. It's an 06-07. I'll just tinker with it until it sounds right to me; hopefully those stock pups will pan out. When I got this one, I got what I'd been looking for. The feel! I can work with the rest... Thanks guys!
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Old March 14th, 2013, 05:13 AM   #8 (permalink)
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The pots are probably fine, most mim guitars have the same pots and caps as the American made fenders. The nut won't change the sound either, but having a well set up nut is useful
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I had the same issue with my 07 MIM Standard Strat. I adjusted the pickups and researched all kinds of solutions.

Then I realized, that it was a Strat: it's not as bright or as articulate as my Tele and it's not going to be.

I found EQ settings on my amp that made me happy.

It's taken almost 5 years but I've finally bonded with that this thing.
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Old March 14th, 2013, 05:40 AM   #10 (permalink)
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On this forum we tend to encourage people to experiment and try different solutions before spending money on pickups. But this doesn't mean that changing pickups are out of the question either. If you still find you're not happy, there are enough inexpensive pickups out there that can get you closer to what you want. GFS, tonerider, rose pickups and Bill Lawrence to name a few.
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Old March 14th, 2013, 06:55 AM   #11 (permalink)
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You don't need new pots or capacitors, and rewiring won't help (although connecting one of the tone pots to the bridge position will help balance the positions overall). The nut won't get you very far at all. My friends have had great results switching out the trem block (or entire bridge), but I'd actually recommend pickups before any of these. Bill Lawrence's Keystones sound great, perfectly clear with exceptional sparkle and highs, and are $84 + shipping for the set.
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500K Pots and a 22 cap will help some.
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Old March 14th, 2013, 08:37 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Changing capacitors on the tone pot has no effect with the pot on 10.
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Old March 14th, 2013, 09:06 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I had the same issue with my 07 MIM Standard Strat. I adjusted the pickups and researched all kinds of solutions.

Then I realized, that it was a Strat: it's not as bright or as articulate as my Tele and it's not going to be.
Big -1 there. IMO
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A set of these really brought my son's MIM Strat to life, and 45 bucks didn't hurt the old wallet.

But you're right, a Strat just isn't as articulate and bright as a Tele. The only S-style guitar that comes close in my (albeit limited) experience is a G&L S-500 with MFD pickups. Those puppies can be bright.
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But you're right, a Strat just isn't as articulate and bright as a Tele.
Try a strat with a fender CS 54 bridge pickup. It's just as bright and articulate as a tele imo. I'm not sure where this notion comes from
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Then I realized, that it was a Strat: it's not as bright or as articulate as my Tele and it's not going to be.
Yup. I just came to this same realization

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Get the pickups away from the strings. Neck pickup sounds best flush with the guard. Adjust the other two to match the output to the neck.
But now that the master has spoken I'll be taking a screwdriver to my Strat as soon as I get home this afternoon.

Yo Fezz, do you have any more Youtube vids? The tone on one of the songs you posted last year has been haunting me ever since it was so good
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Then I realized, that it was a Strat: it's not as bright or as articulate as my Tele and it's not going to be..
BOOM

THERE IT IS.

They're different animals. SOME sounds they make might have something in common, but generally, the Tele is more upper-mid heavy with more "prescence" and that translates into "twang" (at least for me it does)

while your standard strat is more bottom-and-top and sounds different. But there are sounds out of a strat that your standard tele can never make too, that wonderful chime in between neck and middle pickup, and that bitchin strat neck pickup thing with the wiggle stick on some chords.. golden.
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Best bang for the buck strat pickups from here:

http://www.rosepickups.com

He generally turns your order around in a week or so.
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I have messed w Squier p/ups, which despite being 3.5K vs the MIM 6K are much darker sounding. Like the Squier, your p/ups have either a single ceramic or 2 ceramics in a P-90 configuration. I've found replacing them w 2 Firebird magnets in a P-90 configuration really brightens the tone. Also, you can remove the steel poles and replace them w AlNiCo magnets for the same effect. Available aftermarket and cheap. Cheaper than new p/ups and no annoying soldering.
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