CC pickup for tele with no routing?

[wenis]

I remember seeing there was a pickup maker that had a Charlie Christian style Tele neck pickup, that fit the standard Tele neck route. Does anyone remember who this was and how it compared to the full size CC by Lollar or VV?

[Don Mare]

a CC under a tele hood??

I don't see that possible,
Basically a pickups final sound, is a product of the parts used and shape of the coil.

there is not enough room under the hood of a Tele neck, to make a CC pickup
the CC's 38 gauge wire would barely get to 1k before it was out of room,( Tele necks use 43 gauge because 42 gauge will hardly reach 5k on that chassis)
the CC's large magnets required would never fit in the cavity, the huge blade would take up too much room from the coil...
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Take a P-90 they sound like they do partially because of that coil shape they have - "thin & wide"
Now take a Strat or Tele "Tall & Skinny" and they have a much different sound then a P-90

the CC is "wide & tall" the coil is huge - the coil looks like it came off of a battleship...
because of that shape and the wire 38 used and the blade with lots of magnet you get that CC sound.

[wenis]

Originally Posted by Don Mare

a CC under a tele hood??

I don't see that possible,
Basically a pickups final sound, is a product of the parts used and shape of the coil.

there is not enough room under the hood of a Tele neck, to make a CC pickup
the CC's 38 gauge wire would barely get to 1k before it was out of room,( Tele necks use 43 gauge because 42 gauge will hardly reach 5k on that chassis)
the CC's large magnets required would never fit in the cavity, the huge blade would take up too much room from the coil...
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Take a P-90 they sound like they do partially because of that coil shape they have - "thin & wide"
Now take a Strat or Tele "Tall & Skinny" and they have a much different sound then a P-90

the CC is "wide & tall" the coil is huge - the coil looks like it came off of a battleship...
because of that shape and the wire 38 used and the blade with lots of magnet you get that CC sound.

Don, it looked like CC pickup but it fit the neck route. Maybe it's not a great pickup, but I can't remember who made it.

[Don Mare]

Curtis Novak has some bass and Jazzmasters that hes stretched~(taller) and then used wire 38 on, So he may know more about getting that sound to fit in a Tele for you then most people.

what I was saying, was basicially you can possibly get some elements of that CC sound in the tele cavity - but just parts of it, like you could use the tall chassis and use wire 38 and then just get as much of it wound around it as you could, and then see what that does??, I've done some experiments and its close but no cigar, and it actually limits what can be played on it too.. so you will lose versatility. that's the trade off

the whole CRAZY CRAZE of ripping out Tele necks and putting in anything else, was due to the original Teles being known for a dark/muddy~ness. (most were 8k at that time) anything past 6.5k starts to get too dark on stock chassis.

but over time many pickup makers corrected this old problem, and now theres nothing better in that neck position then a well designed stock size tele neck pickup - a good tele neck pickup is very-very hard to beat.. a good one can do it all.. ~~~and really floats ones boat~~~~~

I once tried every pickup under the sun in the neck of my Teles..
and they all created the same problem, they all had their limits, limiting what I could play on them.. until I got a _ Dialed In Regular Tele neck pickup_ that solved it, no more hitting barriers

[BigDaddyLH]

If the body is routed for a humbucker, you could use the Vintage Vibe HCC:



http://vintagevibeguitars.com/windows/hum_bladeWin.html

[Derek Kiernan]

Perhaps you're thinking of SD Pickups. I don't think Curtis Novak or Lollar makes a single blade in a Tele neck form factor.

[wenis]

It looked just like a Charlie Christian pickup, but smaller.

[msfenderarg]

http://www.ccpickups.co.uk/pickups.html#

C-90

http://www.lollarguitars.com/mm5/mer...caster-pickups

Lollar

I think both need a little routing tho', unlike the traditional CC.

[SamBooka]

I am pretty certain Lollar and VV make something. Lollar's is VERY pricey IMHO. I bought the VV instead . Neither of them will fit in a Tele with a standard route so you would have to do some cutting. If you look at the youtube vid on Lollars site you will see what it sounds like in the neck position. Dont let the great amp and great playing distract you tho ;)

[Thighbanez]

I bought the Lollar CC pickup.
Very pricey but worth the money for the sound. I don't think that there's anything you could put this pickup in that it wouldn't make a lovely sound.

Both the Lollar and the Vintage vibe CCrequire EXTENSIVE routing. The Lollar requires slightly less routing than the Vintage Vibe CC if you get the "Pickup Mounted" version.
any version of the VV CC will require the same routing as the chassis on that pup is designed to swap magnets and has to be a little bigger.

[BigDaddyLH]

Originally Posted by SamBooka

I am pretty certain Lollar and VV make something. Lollar's is VERY pricey IMHO.

Yup, $165 is a lot for one pickup. Then I saw that British CC pup goes for £129 (=$200)! (Their boat anchor versions go for £225 and £250 )

What makes these pups so expensive? The unobtanium?

[Thighbanez]

Originally Posted by BigDaddyLH

Yup, $165 is a lot for one pickup. Then I saw that British CC pup goes for £129 (=$200)! (Their boat anchor versions go for £225 and £250 )

What makes these pups so expensive? The unobtanium?

Lol, it's the sound.
It's soft as a baby's touch and just as soothing.
After playing it...you realize it was worth every penny.

[jefrs]

Fits into any guitar - http://www.ccpickups.co.uk/pickups.html

£129 is same price as a Barden.

1) the unobtanium is pre-war recycled stock.
2) hand made / small quantity production.

£10 shipping to rest of world is cheap!

[wenis]

I guess no one remembers. I saw the pickup on this forum. It wasn't any of the options shown. It was a CC style pickup that fit the Tele necks route. It was described with this feature. Granted, it was around 2006 when I read about it.

[Chrismo]

It's Vintage Vibe.

Email Pete and ask about the VT-N-BL and VT-B-BL.



The set is $195 shipped in the US.

[nic'o'caster]

Hey Chrismo, how close to a CC the VT-N-BL's sounding ? I thought part of the sound of a CC was in the 38-gauge wire huge bobbin ?

Wenis, I know it's not CC related but have you heard of mr Novak Jazzmaster neck pup for Tele ? It requires no body routing, just pickguard routing, and it sounds really big, clear and open, not far from a CC I guess, less loud.

[Chrismo]

I think as close as you can get in that form.

[OaklandA]

Originally Posted by Chrismo

It's Vintage Vibe.

Email Pete and ask about the VT-N-BL and VT-B-BL.



The set is $195 shipped in the US.

+1

And Pete is great to deal with.

[nic'o'caster]

How is the VV VT-N-BL volumewise ? Would it overpower a traditionnal brige pickup like a Duncan Broadcaster ?