What distinguishes a Blackguard bridge PU from a '60s bridge?

[Stylemaster]

I have a SD Broadcaster in a RW neck parotcaster which I'm not liking at the moment. I don't know if it really typifies the Blackguard sound. I'm curious about OC Duff's "Nancy." I ordered Don Mare's Hayride set for a Baja Tele which I assume typifies the '60s sound and I'm thinking that the bridge will just be brighter than a SD Broadcaster or another winder's Blackguard. So what distinguishes a Blackguard bridge PU from a '60s bridge?

[Stylemaster]

Anyone?

[Darrell]

What year Blackguard? The sounds of the 50's tele's varied as with the Fender winds of the pup's.

Typical blackguard/Broadcaster sound is somewhat overwound, bold, and makes a good Rolling stones sound with your amp turned up.

Late 50 and 60's sounds had staggard pole configurations, lighter winds, and will get you bright clean sounds reminicent of "Bakersfield" sound.

Of course, it really depends on the year, and what you are hooked up to, and your playing style.

[Stylemaster]

Originally Posted by Darrell

What year Blackguard? The sounds of the 50's tele's varied as with the Fender winds of the pup's.

Typical blackguard/Broadcaster sound is somewhat overwound, bold, and makes a good Rolling stones sound with your amp turned up.

Late 50 and 60's sounds had staggard pole configurations, lighter winds, and will get you bright clean sounds reminicent of "Bakersfield" sound.

Of course, it really depends on the year, and what you are hooked up to, and your playing style.

Okay, for the Blackguard let's specify the Roy Buchanan "Nancy" Bridge pickup. That's a 1953 Tele. In terms of tone what distinguishes that from the "Bakersfield" sound of the '60s bridge pickup. Also in tone how would you describe the "Bakersfield" sound and please don't say listen to Buck Owens - I have - I want tonal descriptive terms. Also I play through a Fargen Blackbird 30, a blackface-type amp with a lot of the mids a Fender BF lacks and I play clean verging on tube saturation.

[Twang King]

the early pickups had 10,000 ish winds on them compared to the later 7,000 ish.

[Robert H.]

The early Blackguard p/u's are very microphonic and have no shielding...unless it was added later.

[achase4u]

"I want tonal descriptive terms"

Theres very subtle differences that are hard to understand no matter what adjective you use.

The Nancy's are probably on the bright side, and in the grand scheme of things, probably arent ALOT different than a twangy 60s tone.

The main difference between the two is alnico 3 vs 5.

Three seems like it has a little more compression - its a weaker, sweeter mag. The alnico 5 should have more edge.

[Darrell]

"I need you to describe sound"

[JTM45blues]

Originally Posted by Stylemaster

Okay, for the Blackguard let's specify the Roy Buchanan "Nancy" Bridge pickup. That's a 1953 Tele. In terms of tone what distinguishes that from the "Bakersfield" sound of the '60s bridge pickup. Also in tone how would you describe the "Bakersfield" sound and please don't say listen to Buck Owens - I have - I want tonal descriptive terms. Also I play through a Fargen Blackbird 30, a blackface-type amp with a lot of the mids a Fender BF lacks and I play clean verging on tube saturation.

You want a description of Bakersfield sound and don't want to hear Buck Owens???? Are you insane? Buck and Don WERE the Bakersfield sound. That's like saying give me an example of early 60's Memphis style blues played on a hollowbody Gibson and not discussing BB King. Its insane man, insane!!!

I suppose some other examples might be listen to Haggard? Or Wynn Stewart? Maybe for a more modern tone, Pete Anderson's work with Dwight Yoakam or Moot Davis.

You already know what you want to hear in terms of Blackguard tone, because you specified Roy Buchanan. So compare his playing on a song like Lonesome Fugitive to that of the Merle Haggard version which is featuring either Roy Nichols or session great James Burton.

There you go, hope that helps.

[Stylemaster]

Originally Posted by JTM45blues

You want a description of Bakersfield sound and don't want to hear Buck Owens???? Are you insane? Buck and Don WERE the Bakersfield sound. That's like saying give me an example of early 60's Memphis style blues played on a hollowbody Gibson and not discussing BB King. Its insane man, insane!!!

I suppose some other examples might be listen to Haggard? Or Wynn Stewart? Maybe for a more modern tone, Pete Anderson's work with Dwight Yoakam or Moot Davis.

You already know what you want to hear in terms of Blackguard tone, because you specified Roy Buchanan. So compare his playing on a song like Lonesome Fugitive to that of the Merle Haggard version which is featuring either Roy Nichols or session great James Burton.

There you go, hope that helps.

You took that the wrong way. I do listen to Buck Owens, in fact lately everyday, all day. I have Pandora.com set up to play Buck and Merle, etc. I was saying that I didn't want just an example of who has that sound (or in the case of Buck Owens, who created it), I wanted someone to describe the tonal frequency differences between the early '50s bridge pickups and the late '50's through '60's bridge pickups.

[ficklepie]

The Nancy bridge pickup is a very a-typical bridge pickup. I'm not sure that I would describe it as the quintessential blackguard sound. It's Roy's sound..... ;-)