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October 30th, 2008, 05:46 PM
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it's funny... i've met and talked to quite a few folks who knew roy from when he first moved to DC... they never talk about 2324 but always talk about this black tele he played with danny denver before he got 2324... supposedly that was the real "magical" one... it was a 60s body with a blackguard neck...
there's a throwaway track he recorded with danny denver that has the baddest mid position tone i've ever heard... i have a lot of early roy recordings with and yes 2324 sounded great but he sounds pretty much the same on all the early stuff as he did when he got the holy grail... the difference are small nuances and 2324 certainly didn't make his career... i've also met several guys that have played 2324 and found it to be a pretty unremarkable blackguard... it's a great sounding guitar and obviously roy's musical soul mate but i take it for what it is... the player made the instrument and not vice versa... there's some proof of that in some roy recordings without 2324 but with similair blackguards... even the stuff with scott the cat anderson when he was using a 52RI comes really close to 2324... tj |
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October 30th, 2008, 06:14 PM
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Doctor of Teleocity
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Man Tjarko, what you know!
I've never heard of that black Tele - is it possible that some of the tracks on "The Early Years" are done with this guitar? Do you know where I can get the stuff that Roy recorded with Scott the Cat Anderson? |
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October 30th, 2008, 06:21 PM
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my friend Joe Little aka Little Joe - Roys old Keyboard Player owns that Black Tele now.
I've been helping him restore it. I have some pictures I'll post up. Yea - i do not think Roy was that attached to Nancy he seemed to gravitate towards the Teles with stronger - fully operating bridge pickups - and after owning my clone of that pup and actually Playing Nancy too.. its easy to see why - Nancys bridge could raise the hair on the dead! LOL .. its cool and all - but it still fun to have a real tele too. and I'm sure Roy was liking other Teles as much - and that Black one did sound amazing and still does and its hauntingly close to Nancy with Roy on the strings - agreed - |
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October 30th, 2008, 06:38 PM
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http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x...blacktele4.jpg Little Joe and Roys Black 56' ( BTW - FMIC I'm sure its available for Artist Clone copies - if Ur prowling round here? :contact me - I'll hook you up with Little Joe but I'll want one for doing it!,Ok?)
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x...blacktele3.jpg http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x...yblacktele.jpg http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x...blacktele2.jpg http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x...ljoecranky.jpg http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x.../liloroy-1.jpg |
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October 30th, 2008, 08:20 PM
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Brass covers and A-3 neck pickups - were predominately on the 1953's at least on those I've ran across... I like the possible alteration to the sound it creates - seems to me it keeps the high spikes at bay? and it seems help the jazzy warm out of this world kinda tones... Quote:
I played it plugged in and it STOPPED TRAFFIC at a Vintage Guitar show - and I suck! - no other Tele's I played that day drew flies.. I have trouble believing 7 guys plugged it in and went ehhhh... when it stopped Vintage Guitar Show customers in their tracks... the guys did really play it.... maybe they did not floor the amp like Roy did ? what I know of the Nancy Clones I have here - if you don't stick it to the amp really hard or pretty good - especially the treble - it would be unremarkable... so I'll buy the story as truth - but I'll feel they did not hit the amp right.. don |
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October 30th, 2008, 09:13 PM
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Tele-Holic
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You do, I do, we do, get a Fender Telecaster small 30 to 40 watt amp, cranked w/a little of spring reverb a lot of practice, pinch harmonics and a lot of fun...
one thing that's a little frustrating on this site is people asking questions that are geared towards what amp/effect/pickup/ will get me to the perfect tone of my heros. Buchanan's tone was a tele thru a bf vibrolux all the way up backwards w/the reverb up a bit and on a chair backwards the rest is work study, technique and results... Nancy Schmancy I played that guitar after his death when John Sprung aquired it from Roy's widow about 18 years ago here in DC, I played it for about an hour and half. It was an average '53 tele with a cello type neck contour that didn't sound any better than my 53, in fact it was very microphonic on the bridge pickup, sure it was a cool blackguard tele... but certainly far from all the hype and nonsense I've read about it since, a decent tele, but beside being a great museum piece and antique...quite honestly, really no different than a decent mim classic 50's reissue w/a good pickup switch out...but no big deal! The guitar I'm talking about is the Nancy guitar with the hole drilled through the headstock.... I hope I'm not hurting anybody's feelings, or ruffling any feathers, legend or dreams ...but all the crap & pap aside that's the truth. Really! |
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October 30th, 2008, 11:34 PM
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(theres a fellow here that almost traded Roy for Nancy because Roy liked his Blackgaurd better then Nancy at that moment in time) but Nancy did and still does sound like Nancy and it for sure sounds DIFFERENT then any other 53 Tele ( NOT BETTER ) but for sure different and ~all Nancy - theres more to this Nancys then Pinching harmonics etc.. actually Roys Nancy Tele harmonics were a little tamed down - theres a .1 cap in series to the output jack - also Nancys bridge DC ohms are lower the LEO would have ever rubber stamped - its actually partially working THATS why the treble is far beyond anyones we've ever heard! Turning a Vibrolux treble to 10 is not the reason - it was the pickup! hands down! FWIW Jim Wielder went to play Nancy and took along his trusted 53' to compare it side by side with Nancy. he felt Nancys bridge was getting some neck bleeding in out of phase - Jim heard it! thats a pretty good description of Nancys bridge " a slightly out of phase sound" and as Jim was leaving he switched cases and was trying to leave with Nancy -- Mac ( Nancys owner) said "nice try" LOL.. maybe Jim liked Nancy better then his faithful 53? Last edited by Don Mare; October 31st, 2008 at 01:17 AM. |
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October 31st, 2008, 12:05 AM
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ok, compare away --
heres Sweet Dreams with Nancy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdE0n...eature=related and heres Sweet Dreams with a 73 tele http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOptDDU3rOo to me nancy has this Hypnotizing quality that I rarely if ever have heard in any other Teles - and yes I do frequent Vintage Shows & Vintage dealers and play all the old Teles  (Thats Me- Nancy & Mac above) I can get my hands on and yes a few have really been close as all get out! but not nearly all of them just maybe two out of the 30 I've ever played... but when I went and Played Nancy again ( that day can be heard at www.roybuchanan.org click music ) It reminded me shes a little bit different then those others. to me this clip is Nancy at her best in Roys hands! take a look at the crowd in this clip - their like dear in headlights! thats allot like what happened to the crowd at the Vintage show where I played Nancy ~they gathered around and would not leave - they all said they never heard a guitar like that - and the show was full of old Teles going off - loud and proud on that day. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isImiXhCosk thats the sounds Neck & bridge that I wanted to own - If there was ever a way to get it - I was set on finding it - especially being teased by Playing Nancy for reals - not once - but twice - about a year apart - 2nd time is recorded and at roybuchanan.org the link is above^ and heres a remix of Sweet Dreams a real "Must Listen" for any Roy Buchanan fan!!!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4IyD...eature=related Last edited by Don Mare; November 4th, 2008 at 09:54 PM. |
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October 31st, 2008, 12:17 AM
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I must say that I've heard of Roy B. before, but never really heard any of his music. I listened to some of the utube stuff shared here along with some other stuff I found. I really like his tone except the stuff I heard when he was using the delay/echo pedal. For some reason to me it sounded like he hated playing with it and it showed in his playing. of course this is just how I felt when watching and listening.
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October 31st, 2008, 12:55 AM
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telemarkman, i know most everything about roy i know from the wealth of music and information bob d. has generously shared with me... nobody knows more about roy than bob! and he's a damn good guitar player too! tj
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October 31st, 2008, 12:55 AM
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Tele-Holic
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Agreed, the 73 doesn't come close but none of the 70's pickups (and teles for that matter come close to early 50's blackguards) actually they don't even rate with the mim 50's classics that Fender's putting out now...to Fender's credit the mim classics are imho
products that I honestly think Leo would blush with pride if he was here today to see the level of excellence combined with affordability that the telecaster design has retroactivly assimilated back to. Anyway Nancy's a great guitar and truly a treasure...if you believe it to be...but that's in the hands and/or ears of the beholder (or in the case of Nancy...the mortgage holder). All the best chip p.s. truly ...no offense intended just my opinion for whatever that's worth. |
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October 31st, 2008, 01:00 AM
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Friend of Leo's
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hey don, i always loved that picture with the folded hands... what can you tell us about the black tele... the guys i met in DC all told me it was a 60s body with a 53 neck and pickups... tj
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October 31st, 2008, 01:08 AM
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Roy traded it to Little Joe for a 56 Esquire- Joe stripped off the Black before it was highly valuable - I talked him into repainting it Black with the proper paint and all - but it looks like they forgot to use filler and the grain is showing thru - look like hes missing the right pickgaurd too - and I was helping him locate ( still am looking ) for the right Caps and Pots - but in the meantime hes got it playing real good - loves it and is using it in his band that just started back up gigging once a week and there all in their 60's - thats pretty cool! Last edited by Don Mare; November 4th, 2008 at 09:52 PM. |
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October 31st, 2008, 01:14 AM
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Friend of Leo's
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i do believe there can be something magical about guitars... even if they don't feel particularly remarkable... no doubt 2324 fit roy like a glove and he could coax unbelievable sounds out of it... i also think roy sounded great on any guitar before the late 70s...
2324 might have been the closest he got to an extension of himself... maybe almost like a muse... i've definitely owned instruments that inspired me more than others... even exact same models, vintage or new, with the same specs etc... after he retired 2324 he never sounded as good as he did but he also stopped carrying his own amps, played guitars that weren't modeled after blackguards etc... i also believe he was burned up by the late 70s... with a little resurgence in the early 80s when he played with scott the cat... danny gatton sounded great on his 53 with bardens... i never cared for his sound after he retired that guitar... it just wasn't the same... which is more remarkable to me than roy's change because at least he played guitars with the same specs and used the bardens on all his guitars... and yes i do know that the early bardens sound significantly different than the later bardens... tj |
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October 31st, 2008, 01:19 AM
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Friend of Leo's
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thanks for sharing don... that's so cool to know that guitar is still around... from what i understand that's the tele roy used throughout the 60s up until he got 2324 in 69... tell him to send it to mark jenny if he wants a perfect refin... tj
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October 31st, 2008, 01:24 AM
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Tele-Afflicted
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heres little Joe playing on stage with Roy
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x...androybuch.jpg theres also a DVD called Remembering Roy Buchanan out and Joes in it several times while being interviewed about Roy seems those two were real close~ and allot alike - Judy Buchanan liked to try to keep those two separated when she had things her way. LOL. |
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October 31st, 2008, 08:58 AM
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Tele0053: "one thing that's a little frustrating on this site is people asking questions
that are geared towards what amp/effect/pickup/ will get me to the perfect tone of my heros. ...the rest is work study, technique and results..." Precisely what I was getting at on an earlier post with my "magic bean" theory. |
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