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Old June 12th, 2008, 08:28 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Bill Lawrence Black Labels??

Has anyone every played the Bill Lawrence Black Label T1 & T2 combo?? I decided that I'm going to buy a second Tele to leave stock so I want to start in on this MIM. I play mostly hard rock & classic rock. A little bit of metal, a little bit of everything I guess except country.

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Old June 12th, 2008, 10:06 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Has anyone every played the Bill Lawrence Black Label T1 & T2 combo?? I decided that I'm going to buy a second Tele to leave stock so I want to start in on this MIM. I play mostly hard rock & classic rock. A little bit of metal, a little bit of everything I guess except country.

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as far as i know teh black label aint bill and becky's.
and hens, seing there prices, wy don't buy a real set, ore some keystones?
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Old June 12th, 2008, 10:44 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Has anyone every played the Bill Lawrence Black Label T1 & T2 combo?? I decided that I'm going to buy a second Tele to leave stock so I want to start in on this MIM. I play mostly hard rock & classic rock. A little bit of metal, a little bit of everything I guess except country.

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as far as i know teh black label aint bill and becky's.
and hens, seing there prices, wy don't buy a real set, ore some keystones?
You've stumbled over a brand loyalty issue which explains the first reply.

Apparently there are two Bill Lawrence's. One is always billed as the bad guy - the one who makes the pick ups you want to buy - and the other is billed as a good guy and now trades as Bill and Becky Lawrence. I know very little about the first one as often wonder why he's billed as "the bad guy" but the second one has many fans and friends on the TDPRI.

They've [the two Bill Lawrence companies] recently had a some legal action resolved in favour of "the bad guy" and it's upset a number of people here.

Me? I've no opinion either way on either company. I have tried "the good guy's" pick ups and didn't like 'em but tone is a personal thing; I've never tried the ones you're contemplating. If you pull the trigger, let us know how it works out.

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Thankyou very much for laying that out. The major reason I was looking at these pickups is I have played what I guess would be "Bill Lawrence" pickups in a few heavy rock setup guitars and loved them. (L-500XL ) But as I now understand it that would've been Wajcman's "Bill Lawrence" not the real Bill Lawrence correct??
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Thankyou very much for laying that out. The major reason I was looking at these pickups is I have played what I guess would be "Bill Lawrence" pickups in a few heavy rock setup guitars and loved them. (L-500XL ) But as I now understand it that would've been Wajcman's "Bill Lawrence" not the real Bill Lawrence correct??
if you liked the l500XL than the l280 would be a good singel coil choice
i use it together with the l500xl and q filter and works fine
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Thankyou very much for laying that out. The major reason I was looking at these pickups is I have played what I guess would be "Bill Lawrence" pickups in a few heavy rock setup guitars and loved them. (L-500XL ) But as I now understand it that would've been Wajcman's "Bill Lawrence" not the real Bill Lawrence correct??
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if you liked the l500XL than the l280 would be a good singel coil choice
i use it together with the l500xl and q filter and works fine
I hated my L280s that they lasted less than a week.

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I hated my L280s that they lasted less than a week.

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that happend to me with the keystone strat set.
not hating them but finding out they were to vintage for me.
far to much quack to me, and the person i sold them to wass blown out by them, so happy he was.

it al has to do what you like ore don't.
the l280 is more modern, where the keystone naild me in some positions to quack i had more space with the l280
the SCN are in between them to my ears
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... and the person i sold them to wass blown out by them, so happy he was.

...it al has to do what you like ore don't.
Yes, same here. The guy who bought my L280/L290 combo e-mailed me and said how much he loved them and yet they didn't work for me.

I agree, it's such a personal thing. No one is right or wrong but we do get into some strong debates on this board about certain brands of pick ups!

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Indeed, it's all about taste.

I love the 280 and 290 pickups from Bill and Becky. Quiet, yet full of personality. To anyone thinking of trying a pair, I'd say:
  1. The quality of service is second to none when you call Becky directly.
  2. The manufacturing is on a small scale. The quality is very nice. No frills, just good product.
  3. You can't beat the price. You just can't.
  4. If you don't like them, you'll have no problem selling them here at the TDPRI.

I'm sure I'll always have a couple of pairs in my collection. I've yet to try the Keystones, but I'm reading rave reviews. They're just a little difficult to get because of a less-than-perfect distribution channel the Lawrences are using.
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I'm sure I'll always have a couple of pairs in my collection. I've yet to try the Keystones, but I'm reading rave reviews. They're just a little difficult to get because of a less-than-perfect distribution channel the Lawrences are using.
well , the person i sold my keystones to maild me this
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well i think they are really fantastic, good tone, good definition, fat en more output than ordinary fender pups
we checked them with a lot of real old fenders and the sound came very close but with more output
at the end they sounded almost the same as a reverend with three p80's.
so i am very very happy with them , and to me they are much better than all the others like antiquities, texas specials, hotrails etc.
exactly what i was looking for ( playing surf, bluesrock, rock-a-billy, punk and some neil young).
tested with a line 6 device witch sounded already nice and then the real thing , a blond fender bassman from 63 (i cannot translate this but it is a word for strong beefy sounding very happy guitar player)
conserning the distibuting channel it will be getting better.
now keystone and 'wilde' pickups will be send directly from the factory shop.

so i could combine a set of T stones with some 'wilde' in 1 shipment

to find the 'wilde' pickups see this link
http://wildepickups.com/The_Wilde_Collection.php

we have to keep in mind this is a small familie shop/factory, so have patience and get a fine product as reward
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I just ordered the Keystone Deluxes. Can't wait!

I spoke to Becky. Really nice lady.
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OMG, I just did the above and picked up a set T1-T2 set off of eBay.

Am I out a few $$, are these even worth installing?
I can hear my wife now
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....That way leads to the Dark Side of the Force.....

See posts regarding Keystone Pickups......The Force is strong in those........
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Back to the original question that started this thread,
Are these pickups any good? I know I know, its all highly subjective.

The bridge pickup I have (closet) is fairly old, still in the original case.
Roy Buchannon used these didn't he?

guess i'll be doin some sperimentin
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As I understand it, Bill's Keystones are modeled after the pups he did for Roy.
The most important thing: If you like them nothing else matters.
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Quick update...

I purchased a set of Keystones for my Strat and I'm delighted.

$75 + shipping to the UK and the product is amazing. I had some hassles with the nasty screws that are supplied as standard, but once this was addressed the pick ups sound great.

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